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I'm currently considering a leap into Jago ownership and have been offered a restoration project. A geep with no engine and box that is also in need of a rewire and a good tidy up.
But what engine to fit, petrol, diesel, OHV, OHC, CVH, V6, V8 or even a trusty old rover K series the list is endless and adapter plates can be had for most combinations.
What have other people done and why? I quite fancy going the K series route as its light and small and can be had with 160bhp out of the box.
But what engine to fit, petrol, diesel, OHV, OHC, CVH, V6, V8 or even a trusty old rover K series the list is endless and adapter plates can be had for most combinations.
What have other people done and why? I quite fancy going the K series route as its light and small and can be had with 160bhp out of the box.
Hello Scamper......The first thing that springs to my mind, is the Jeep that you've been offered registered?
What type of engine was in there in the first place?
Unfortunately, I'm no great mechanic...but a great believer in anything's possible and if it feels good...do it! I'd dearly love a V6 in mine...Chris has a 2.3 V in his.
Have a look at the tech site...www.httpjoctecwebfutureeasyspace.com/
and also take a look back at some of the pages on the Forum to see what advice/problems re engine swaps has been talked about.
I'm sure as eggs are eggs, there'll be more replies later on on this string for you from some better mechanical brains than myself.
Hope all goes well for you.
What type of engine was in there in the first place?
Unfortunately, I'm no great mechanic...but a great believer in anything's possible and if it feels good...do it! I'd dearly love a V6 in mine...Chris has a 2.3 V in his.
Have a look at the tech site...www.httpjoctecwebfutureeasyspace.com/
and also take a look back at some of the pages on the Forum to see what advice/problems re engine swaps has been talked about.
I'm sure as eggs are eggs, there'll be more replies later on on this string for you from some better mechanical brains than myself.
Hope all goes well for you.
ohv kent crossflow is most common
followed by pinto ohc
there were standard options
cvh and v6 and rover v8 have been done
along with a couple of diesel versions
k series is a good move weight wise
as even a 1.4 carb one is more powerful than a std 2.0 pinto but they are reknown for blowing up - especially the 1.8 version
but as you say adapters for them are easily available
i think it would be too long but have always fancied the noise of a bmw straight six
or one of the mitsubishi engines from a starion
maybe even a hyundai stellar mitsubishi engine
at the end of the day [it gets dark lol] and its all down to personal choice ability and ultimately cost
keep us informed what you decide
followed by pinto ohc
there were standard options
cvh and v6 and rover v8 have been done
along with a couple of diesel versions
k series is a good move weight wise
as even a 1.4 carb one is more powerful than a std 2.0 pinto but they are reknown for blowing up - especially the 1.8 version
but as you say adapters for them are easily available
i think it would be too long but have always fancied the noise of a bmw straight six
or one of the mitsubishi engines from a starion
maybe even a hyundai stellar mitsubishi engine
at the end of the day [it gets dark lol] and its all down to personal choice ability and ultimately cost
keep us informed what you decide
The problem with fitting front drive engines in rear drive cars is usually the cost of the adaptor plate for the gearbox , ECU swap, throtle body instalation etc. ......now my thought is, does the Ford Zetec engine need an adaptor? If not then these are, again, much more powerfull in standard form than the Pinto and are now quite cheap in salvage yards.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
I assume you mean the 1800 Vauxhall Carlton lump , probably a bit too long for a Geep.
Turning a fwd lump the "right" way round is possible , I am about to do the same with my new Geep project , however there is a lot to consider beyond a suitable gearbox , providing a suitable tank which will supply an injection system , the throttle body/carb arguement ,the ecu and the prospect of throwing £1000 plus at it before you hear it running gets a bit scary.
If you want a cheap and cheerful fun vehicle find out what it was fitted with , x-flow or pinto , and either buy a running donor escort or cortina or early sierra for anything from £50-300 which will give you all you need or pick up the parts you need individually,X-flow engines especially 711 blocks fetch anything from £100 upwards I saw a runner 1600GT in the ad-mag recently for £120 , s/h boxes can be found I paid £30 for mine , either route should see you back on the road for the right side of £500 which is probably the best option.
If you love a challenge and your budget is infinite go Zetec , Zetec SE ( light) red top Vauxhall 16V or even the Rover lump though I have my doubts about the long term reliability of that choice , certainly the first 3 are well supported with off the shelf conversion parts for the mark2 Escort/Locost market.
The best advice I can give you is drive a Geep first.......
Turning a fwd lump the "right" way round is possible , I am about to do the same with my new Geep project , however there is a lot to consider beyond a suitable gearbox , providing a suitable tank which will supply an injection system , the throttle body/carb arguement ,the ecu and the prospect of throwing £1000 plus at it before you hear it running gets a bit scary.
If you want a cheap and cheerful fun vehicle find out what it was fitted with , x-flow or pinto , and either buy a running donor escort or cortina or early sierra for anything from £50-300 which will give you all you need or pick up the parts you need individually,X-flow engines especially 711 blocks fetch anything from £100 upwards I saw a runner 1600GT in the ad-mag recently for £120 , s/h boxes can be found I paid £30 for mine , either route should see you back on the road for the right side of £500 which is probably the best option.
If you love a challenge and your budget is infinite go Zetec , Zetec SE ( light) red top Vauxhall 16V or even the Rover lump though I have my doubts about the long term reliability of that choice , certainly the first 3 are well supported with off the shelf conversion parts for the mark2 Escort/Locost market.
The best advice I can give you is drive a Geep first.......
Carleon = Carlton?
If so, then provided the vehicle was rear wheel drive (don't know vauxhalls very well - have always been a ford fan) the installation would involve the usual.
That is to say:
* Make special engine mount brackets
* Have a propshaft made. Front Carlton and rear Escort mk1 or 2
* Use the Carlton radiator
* Modify/adapt radiator hoses
* Adapt the sump
Then of course what will the spring rates be like with the new engine?
Perhaps thats why most of us stay with the Kent/Pinto instalation - we get to drive our Geep's before the world oil reserves run out!
Whatever you decide to do there will be plenty of advice and support from club members. Good luck!
If so, then provided the vehicle was rear wheel drive (don't know vauxhalls very well - have always been a ford fan) the installation would involve the usual.
That is to say:
* Make special engine mount brackets
* Have a propshaft made. Front Carlton and rear Escort mk1 or 2
* Use the Carlton radiator
* Modify/adapt radiator hoses
* Adapt the sump
Then of course what will the spring rates be like with the new engine?
Perhaps thats why most of us stay with the Kent/Pinto instalation - we get to drive our Geep's before the world oil reserves run out!
Whatever you decide to do there will be plenty of advice and support from club members. Good luck!
The Carlton set up was probs same as a Opel Manta 1800 . About same weight if not lighter than a pinto. About same size motor as mk2/mk3 astra/cavalier (GTE/SRI possibilities). 5 speed getrag (Manta 1800) bolts straight on to convert to rear wheel drive, but are sadly very rare these days.
Shouldn't be that hard, there are acouple of mk1/2 escorts running with vauxhall 16v motors in (150bhp as standard at flywheel).
>> Edited by okeydokey on Tuesday 5th July 22:58
Shouldn't be that hard, there are acouple of mk1/2 escorts running with vauxhall 16v motors in (150bhp as standard at flywheel).
>> Edited by okeydokey on Tuesday 5th July 22:58
2 distinct carltons
one is cam in head lump like manta
one is astra cavalier type fwd lump with dizzy on back
right B***a*d to get dizzy cap off in a carlton
but very good lump
battery would have to go elsewhere [mines inside]
but i still have doubts if it would be easy
carb'd 1.4 k series could be a real contender cos of weight size and cheapness
more bhp and torque than a 2.0l pinto even on standard carbs cheaper tax and i can pick it up - pinto is a heavy old lump even compared to xflow but there is the expense of an adapta plate - but then again if you do blow a head gasket an old 214 is cheaper than a head + bolts set
i believe a buddy has such an adapta plate .lying around i shall look pretty carefully at it needs machining facilities - but with xflows fetching almost the price of whole geeps..... sell xflow stick cheaper modern more economical engine in may make sense in the long term
but then again.....before i ripped box out of my samuri it drove up rear access road sounded glorious and was spinning 245's......i LIKE xflows
but then again if i was being sensible would i have a geep????
FUN FUN FUN
till my daddy takes my jago away
actually he cant hahahhahahah
one is cam in head lump like manta
one is astra cavalier type fwd lump with dizzy on back
right B***a*d to get dizzy cap off in a carlton
but very good lump
battery would have to go elsewhere [mines inside]
but i still have doubts if it would be easy
carb'd 1.4 k series could be a real contender cos of weight size and cheapness
more bhp and torque than a 2.0l pinto even on standard carbs cheaper tax and i can pick it up - pinto is a heavy old lump even compared to xflow but there is the expense of an adapta plate - but then again if you do blow a head gasket an old 214 is cheaper than a head + bolts set
i believe a buddy has such an adapta plate .lying around i shall look pretty carefully at it needs machining facilities - but with xflows fetching almost the price of whole geeps..... sell xflow stick cheaper modern more economical engine in may make sense in the long term
but then again.....before i ripped box out of my samuri it drove up rear access road sounded glorious and was spinning 245's......i LIKE xflows
but then again if i was being sensible would i have a geep????
FUN FUN FUN
till my daddy takes my jago away
actually he cant hahahhahahah
Good question.....wonder if I got the wrong end of the stick here....perhaps the article I was reading was refering to new build...watch this space and, probably knowing me, get ready for me apologising lol
OK Update.....three ways of doing this
1)delete my initial ramblings then no one is any the wiser that I'm a prat
2) come clean...hold my hand up and apologise..I got it wrong
3)nah....not worth it...Sorry Scamper...I Goofed. It was refering to passing the SVA.....so only of any use if you're having your Jago SVA'd
www.sylva.co.uk/engine_age.html
>> Edited by driftwood on Monday 11th July 19:36
must be the heat...been on Fistral Beach to day...too much sun lol
>> Edited by driftwood on Monday 11th July 19:42
OK Update.....three ways of doing this
1)delete my initial ramblings then no one is any the wiser that I'm a prat
2) come clean...hold my hand up and apologise..I got it wrong
3)nah....not worth it...Sorry Scamper...I Goofed. It was refering to passing the SVA.....so only of any use if you're having your Jago SVA'd
www.sylva.co.uk/engine_age.html
>> Edited by driftwood on Monday 11th July 19:36
must be the heat...been on Fistral Beach to day...too much sun lol
>> Edited by driftwood on Monday 11th July 19:42
Have discussed the topic of SVA'ing a Geep at great length with our Club Sec.
Next issue of Transmissions will carry an article on what Belfield are currently doing with the Geep project.
I agree there are still many incorrectly registered Jagos around , but changes to the MOT rules will probably force the remaining ones off the road within the next 12 months as the computerised system will immediately highlight the fact that the tester is not looking at an Escort 1100 auto!
The first Geep I purchased last year was registered as a Jago jeep on the donor plate , the second (on a "Q"
simply a Jago , my latest purchase is Jago on the donor plate.
Any variation appears to be due to the way each individual DVLA local office originally viewed the completed kit , presented with a vehicle which had the required number of parts from the donor and its V5 kept the plate , anything else went down the Q route so from an emissions point of view I would assume date of first registration will apply.
Next issue of Transmissions will carry an article on what Belfield are currently doing with the Geep project.
I agree there are still many incorrectly registered Jagos around , but changes to the MOT rules will probably force the remaining ones off the road within the next 12 months as the computerised system will immediately highlight the fact that the tester is not looking at an Escort 1100 auto!
The first Geep I purchased last year was registered as a Jago jeep on the donor plate , the second (on a "Q"
simply a Jago , my latest purchase is Jago on the donor plate. Any variation appears to be due to the way each individual DVLA local office originally viewed the completed kit , presented with a vehicle which had the required number of parts from the donor and its V5 kept the plate , anything else went down the Q route so from an emissions point of view I would assume date of first registration will apply.
Sedgey wrote, "hmmmm what are belfields sierra geeps running reg wise???"
Belfields Red prototype was originally an Escort based Geep - correctly registered on the V5 as a Jago. Therefore after conversion to Sierra running gear, it could retain the V5 as it was still a Jago.
Jago's on incorrect V5's will require SVA unless it comes with a substantial MOT history and a lot of luck (ask Gerry!)
Swizz...
Belfields Red prototype was originally an Escort based Geep - correctly registered on the V5 as a Jago. Therefore after conversion to Sierra running gear, it could retain the V5 as it was still a Jago.
Jago's on incorrect V5's will require SVA unless it comes with a substantial MOT history and a lot of luck (ask Gerry!)
Swizz...
thinking of engine swaps, I was wondering about getting hold of this for my Jeep
hhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4561280339&category=15289#ebayphotohosting.....shouldnshouldn't be too much work to take the engine out....but would the tow-bar fit I wonder?
>> Edited by driftwood on Thursday 14th July 15:54
hhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4561280339&category=15289#ebayphotohosting.....shouldnshouldn't be too much work to take the engine out....but would the tow-bar fit I wonder?
>> Edited by driftwood on Thursday 14th July 15:54
that may assist getting geeps through the "wall" at 55 60
but i think you may need at least a suspension helper spring on the rear leaves
would please a lot of potential engine converters as it will probably run on diesel
wonder if it is as economical as the 1.8 ford td that was on ebay a while back
if it your geep retained a normal front engine too would it be legal to run turbines on red diesel?
how far do you think you will be able to jump off perranporths sand dunes with this setup gerry?
>> Edited by drseg on Thursday 14th July 16:52
but i think you may need at least a suspension helper spring on the rear leaves
would please a lot of potential engine converters as it will probably run on diesel
wonder if it is as economical as the 1.8 ford td that was on ebay a while back
if it your geep retained a normal front engine too would it be legal to run turbines on red diesel?
how far do you think you will be able to jump off perranporths sand dunes with this setup gerry?
>> Edited by drseg on Thursday 14th July 16:52
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