RE: 80mph limit will cost £1bn say campaigners
Discussion
DaveL485 said:
www.noto80.org said:
Visit www.noto80.org to:
1. add your name to a petition started by bereaved mum Liz Voysey whose daughter Amy was killed by an 80mph driver
1. add your name to a petition started by bereaved mum Liz Voysey whose daughter Amy was killed by an 80mph driver
I'm sure they class an '80mph' driver in the same vein as drink/drug drivers.Ridiculous.
It appears that Amy Voysey's death had little to do with the specific speed of the van that hit her. Her car had been hit and immobilised by an articulated lorry and it was sat in the outside lane of a dual-carriageway with its hazard lights on. There's no doubt it was a horrible death, but when a car is sitting motionless in the outside lane of a dual-carriageway it's the fact it's there, rather than the speed of the vehicle behind it, that's the danger. In fact you could go so far as to say that it was the response speed of the highways agency and the police that was more pressing in that particular situation.
Why do I get the impression that had she been hit by a van doing 70, her mother would have been pressured by Brake into campaigning to get the limit down to 60/50/40? Because had he been doing 70, she would still have been killed - a sad and unavoidable fact of life.
MagicalTrevor said:
Ok, so ~60% of the fuel price is duty and tax, that's £459.96 million. If the cost to the emergency services is £62.4 million and this 'cost' for carbon is £180 million then the government is ultimately £217.56 million up on the deal. Presumably there is a economical benefit to people spending more on fuel as well?
As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
Good point!!!As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
For the benefit of the treasury and pulling us out of this recession, we should increase speed limits to 120mph, to really cream the petrol tax, from those willing to pay. I would certainly pay my bit!!!!!
The sad truth is that most of our motorways are so congested that averaging even 60mph on a typical journey is the stuff of dreams.
frankthesurf said:
Who the hell are 'BRAKE' and who the hell is funding them???
Started life as a charity to help the victims of road accidents by Mary Williams.Grew into an anti car crusade and funded by businesses, big and small, and the government.
At least one business pulled out when a PHer employed by them told them what was happening, but others seem to be blissfully unaware of what's going on.
In bed with cycling and walking groups.
I do about 20K motorway miles a year. Set the cruise control at 83mph and so far no problems. Most of the traffic is doing this speed now anyway so it makes sense to make it legal. However there should be variable limits so that if it is chucking it down etc it should be lowered. There are still lunatics passing us in little tin boxes when the conditions are appalling.
mybrainhurts said:
andyps said:
I purchased the domain throttle.org.uk with the idea to set up a site to give an opposing view to that from Brake but, like you, I work too many hours to be able to do anything with it. If anyone has the time and capability I would be very happy to see it used.
That would have to be handled very carefully, pointing out their ignorance and incompetence, while avoiding ad hominem attacks. 356Speedster said:
What a bunch of feckless idiots. I just read their press release and it's the usual fact-less, scaremongery I've come to expect from Brake.
They state that stopping distances will be increased, but still state the old Highway Code stopping distances for 70mph that we all know are miles off these days... no idea how they "calculated" the 80mph figure, presumably just by adding a factor to the 1960's original. This just shows how little fact they apply to arguements and just use scaremongery instead.
Some very valid comments on this thread too, perhaps we should e-mail a link to the Grubberment to get some common sense comments across in balance
I did notice their FaceBook site link too, but wouldn't want to get PH into trouble
So, where's the "Yes to 80" campaign homepage, other than www.pistonheads.com?!
Not quite a "Say Yes to 80" site but near as dammitThey state that stopping distances will be increased, but still state the old Highway Code stopping distances for 70mph that we all know are miles off these days... no idea how they "calculated" the 80mph figure, presumably just by adding a factor to the 1960's original. This just shows how little fact they apply to arguements and just use scaremongery instead.
Some very valid comments on this thread too, perhaps we should e-mail a link to the Grubberment to get some common sense comments across in balance
I did notice their FaceBook site link too, but wouldn't want to get PH into trouble
So, where's the "Yes to 80" campaign homepage, other than www.pistonheads.com?!
www.support80mph.com
ds, Ruining All Kinetic EnjoymentEgbert Nobacon said:
The bigger question is why is Brake allowed to classify itself as a charity and reap the tax benefits associated with that status - when in reality it's just a political pressure group trying to assert the warped views of a few onto the majority ?
There are 375,000 "charities" in the UK. I have long suspected most are run by people liking the lack of tax and the perceived clout being called a charity affords.jamespink said:
Egbert Nobacon said:
The bigger question is why is Brake allowed to classify itself as a charity and reap the tax benefits associated with that status - when in reality it's just a political pressure group trying to assert the warped views of a few onto the majority ?
There are 375,000 "charities" in the UK. I have long suspected most are run by people liking the lack of tax and the perceived clout being called a charity affords.
MagicalTrevor said:
AyBee said:
Quite! Applying some more logic: more spent on fuel = more taxes received by gubbermint. If 60% (being conservative) of fuel cost is tax, that's £460m which easily outstrips the £242.8m of other costs, therefore, I propose the headline "80mph limit will make £217.2m says AyBee"!
MagicalTrevor said:
Ok, so ~60% of the fuel price is duty and tax, that's £459.96 million. If the cost to the emergency services is £62.4 million and this 'cost' for carbon is £180 million then the government is ultimately £217.56 million up on the deal. Presumably there is a economical benefit to people spending more on fuel as well?
As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
Sorry sir, I didn't have time to read the whole thread! Great minds 
We have BRAKE steaming from the ears re the 'possible' increase in road deaths with a proposed increase to 80mph, so maybe ought we ask them about the 34,000 who die in the UK each year from medical errors? http://www.ieu-alliance.org/Survey.html
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