RE: DVLA Logbook Disaster Rolls On

[Johnpidge]

Hmmm DVLA never make mistakes do they. My car (X reg made in 2000) appeared on the first V5 as built 2005 and had suddenly became black, not silver had also become convertible. They then proceeded to send me not one but three consecutive V5's with the wrong details on - next one had the wrong reg on (worked that one out fairly swiftly and contacted old owner of my car you can work out the rest) finally several months later all sorted.

DVLA make mistakes - no never. 120000 Forms gone missing and they've not not found the inside person yet. Negligence!

[longy79]

i think dvla should be sued by the people who have lost out, its not there fault they have been targeted and lost the money, i dont think dvla did enought to warn everyone , apart from details on ther website and a few sites like this letting us no, ive never seen a newspaper print, also never received anything through the door to explain to everyone to be on the look out, its not good enough and dont see how dvla can get away with it !!

[Mr.Jimbo]

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

do you work for the Sun?

[sjn2004]

Windymiller said:

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

Just what I was thinking mate. As a designer, I'd be SERIOUSLY copy-checking a run of 120,000 items! What retard missed a mistake major enough to bin the job-lot? The usual public-sector attention to detail eh...

Whats the big deal anyway, you should still do your normal checks to make sure the car is kosher. A V5 is just a bit of paper with no security features, would your average punter be able to tell a laser copy from the original?

[dandarez]

sjn2004 said:

Windymiller said:

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

Just what I was thinking mate. As a designer, I'd be SERIOUSLY copy-checking a run of 120,000 items! What retard missed a mistake major enough to bin the job-lot? The usual public-sector attention to detail eh...

Whats the big deal anyway, you should still do your normal checks to make sure the car is kosher. A V5 is just a bit of paper with no security features, would your average punter be able to tell a laser copy from the original?

WHY is the onus ALWAYS shouldered by the law abiding side?

WHY should I have to double check this, double check that because of bl**dy incompetence and the nanny state?
That's the trouble today with this country.
Didn't used to be like this.

The same ilk will be telling me to put a drawbridge and and moat round my house to keep away burglars, eh?

Edited by dandarez on Saturday 6th February 22:03

[dandarez]

Mr.Jimbo said:

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

do you work for the Sun?

No.
I don't read it, nor particularly like it either!
But if you want or have something needed to be brought to the attention of the majority of the public, it's the best medium by a mile!

[bakerjuk]

dandarez said:

sjn2004 said:

Windymiller said:

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

Just what I was thinking mate. As a designer, I'd be SERIOUSLY copy-checking a run of 120,000 items! What retard missed a mistake major enough to bin the job-lot? The usual public-sector attention to detail eh...

Whats the big deal anyway, you should still do your normal checks to make sure the car is kosher. A V5 is just a bit of paper with no security features, would your average punter be able to tell a laser copy from the original?

WHY is the onus ALWAYS shouldered by the law abiding side?

WHY should I have to double check this, double check that because of bl**dy incompetence and the nanny state?
That's the trouble today with this country.
Didn't used to be like this.

The same ilk will be telling me to put a drawbridge and and moat round my house to keep away burglars, eh?

Edited by dandarez on Saturday 6th February 22:03

I concur. If the government is so hell bent on a Nanny state then it puts us in a false sense of security, when they screw up its our problen, so this nanny crap is not there for our benefit at all is it ?

If they want nanny state then we should not be held accountable for anything they interfere with imo.

In this case its not so much nanny, but does go to prove public funded offices would simply not survive in the private sector. Time for some reform to get them run like private sector companies and held account for their actions and responsibilities.

[snorky]

Gallen said:

snorky said:

no it was a theft - do you want to be liable when someone steals your breadknife then stabs someone with it?

I'd question their "duty of care".

Has to be some recompense to this - for instance;

If it was a Weapons company who had explosives "stolen" which blew up about 10 things each week, surely something would happen to them.....!

would it ? were Boeing sued for allowing Terroists to hit the twin towers...according to some peoples thinking on here they should be

[SDxsi]

snorky said:

Gallen said:

snorky said:

no it was a theft - do you want to be liable when someone steals your breadknife then stabs someone with it?

I'd question their "duty of care".

Has to be some recompense to this - for instance;

If it was a Weapons company who had explosives "stolen" which blew up about 10 things each week, surely something would happen to them.....!

would it ? were Boeing sued for allowing Terroists to hit the twin towers...according to some peoples thinking on here they should be

Hmm i think your point about 9/11 is so ridiculously far off anyones mark! Its an extreme circumstance which if anyone should be held accountable it would surely be airport security! Even so the only blame can be put up on the c nts who thought it was ok to hijack a plane and kill many many people! Slightly different to some crap publicly funded company managing to f ck up something so basic that millions of people can manage everyday without major incident!

[mybrainhurts]

Caught the tail end of a retired police officer, on the radio, saying the DVLA was warned years ago but chose to ignore the warning.

[thegreengoblet]

Why aren't the stolen numbers part of the HPI check?

[Gary C]

valley boy said:

Also most modern cars have the chassis number on a little plastic badge in the corner of the window anyway.

Which is totally crap, by putting the number there, it may be harder for a ringer to put a false plate there, but once its in, its virtually impossible for a buyer to detect that its false. You can't see that its been interfered with.

At least on VIN plates under the body you can get an idea by how well the plate is rivited to the body and chassis numbers stamped into the bulkhead, you can tend to tell if its been welded in.

[thegoose]

thegreengoblet said:

Why aren't the stolen numbers part of the HPI check?

HPi (and no-one else AFAIK) do let you enter the number in top right corner of the V5C when doing a check, so you wouldn't get caught out if you did the HPi check this way.

You can do a free check by going to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk clicking "vehicle enquiry", "next", then entering the registration, vehicle make (from a drop down box) then filling in the (optional, but only way of checking the V5C out) box for the V5C Document Reference Number - this is specified as such and is shown at the bottom left corner of page 2 of the V5C, next to the date when the V5C was produced.

After then pressing "Next" you will get brief vehicle details, including when road tax/SORN is due (and current status and price), engine capacity, colour and date of last V5C issued. If no date for this is shown, then the Document Reference Number you entered is not for the valid V5C for the car.

Try it for your own car, with and without the correct Document Reference Number.

You should always do this when buying a car to ensure you have the most up to date V5C, which is of course the only one that's valid.

To all the ranters and moaners - The info to protect yourself is there, available free of charge on the DVLA's website - Simples!

[WEHGuy]

The DVLA is a joke. Is it true only 15% of road tax actually goes on road maintenace?


Edited for being a Monday

Edited by WEHGuy on Monday 8th February 14:34

[SDxsi]

WEHGuy said:

The DVLA is a joke. Is it true only 15% of road tax actually goes on road maintenace?


Edited for being a Monday

Edited by WEHGuy on Monday 8th February 14:34

We dont actually have road tax here anymore. Even so they do not spend anywhere near what they should.

[cm43106]

Windymiller said:

dandarez said:

...LOST!!! ...between the printers and the shredders...

Really?

Being in the publishing and printing industries, I reckon 130,000 V5 documents would weigh around
1,300 KILOS.

Couldn't exactly fall of the lorry and not be noticed, or piled on the back seat of your car, eh?

INSIDE JOB?
or does it need rocket science?

Just what I was thinking mate. As a designer, I'd be SERIOUSLY copy-checking a run of 120,000 items! What retard missed a mistake major enough to bin the job-lot? The usual public-sector attention to detail eh...

I honestly think you guys are giving them more credit than they deserve. My guess would be that they just threw them out (literally in the paper bin) somebody saw them and emptied the bins when they were gone.
After so many years they saw duplicate V5s and traced it back to the idiot that didn't shred them. Hence 'they were stolen' and the DVLA cannot be held responsible for their f'up!

[GC8]

Of course they werent simply thrown out. Material of far less worth is securely shredded. The Yellow Pages will be full of firms for whom this is their principal line of business.

[tonym911]

va1o said:

Twoshoe said:

Surely all they have to do is redesign it slightly and then gradually as new documents get issued when people sell their cars, the current style will become obsolete.

You would think so, but in this country something so simple would no doubt cost millions, need hundreds of additional staff to manage, and then not work properly.

They manage to do it for TV licence application forms. I used to keep a signed form on top of my (unlicensed) telly so that I could tell any detector plod who came knocking that I'd just got the set that day and was off to the Post Office with my form in the morning, look here it is etc. Unfortunately they kept changing the colour/design of the form and I was too lazy to keep refreshing my set-top form.

[Chas-Chiro]

SDxsi said:

snorky said:

Gallen said:

snorky said:

no it was a theft - do you want to be liable when someone steals your breadknife then stabs someone with it?

I'd question their "duty of care".

Has to be some recompense to this - for instance;

If it was a Weapons company who had explosives "stolen" which blew up about 10 things each week, surely something would happen to them.....!

would it ? were Boeing sued for allowing Terroists to hit the twin towers...according to some peoples thinking on here they should be

Hmm i think your point about 9/11 is so ridiculously far off anyones mark! Its an extreme circumstance which if anyone should be held accountable it would surely be airport security! Even so the only blame can be put up on the c nts who thought it was ok to hijack a plane and kill many many people! Slightly different to some crap publicly funded company managing to f ck up something so basic that millions of people can manage everyday without major incident!

If Boeing new about it for the best part of four years and said nothing, did nothing, then your relatives died in the incident what would feel like?
Oh it don't matter we can't hold them responsible for trying to hide the truth or costs to innocent people.
I think not.!!!

cm43106 said:

I honestly think you guys are giving them more credit than they deserve. My guess would be that they just threw them out (literally in the paper bin) somebody saw them and emptied the bins when they were gone.
After so many years they saw duplicate V5s and traced it back to the idiot that didn't shred them. Hence 'they were stolen' and the DVLA cannot be held responsible for their f'up!

Probably so true cm43106 but I bet they still use same printers.
We'll just hush it up and hope no one tells the press.

[SDxsi]

Chas-Chiro said:

If Boeing new about it for the best part of four years and said nothing, did nothing, then your relatives died in the incident what would feel like?
Oh it don't matter we can't hold them responsible for trying to hide the truth or costs to innocent people.
I think not.!!!

Yea but boeing didn't know about it did they??!! Sort your F KING life out and start comparing it to something more realistic you twunt!