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I'm sure it didn't escape anyones attention who watched 5th gear last night! What a satisfying sight to see a Viper blown away by a Nissan Sunny!
John
OK it's Viper bashing season of course, but how standard was the Viper, how standard was the Nissan Sunny? Pretty meaningless comparision once you get into modified cars. You can start with any old pile of junk and make it as fast as you want if you chuck enough time and money at it - I'm finding this from the opposite direction: the faster I want my old pile of junk to go, the more time and money it costs!
Cheers,
Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)
HAve to say that I have a couple of mates with Skylines and Sunny GTiR's and the like.When I had the Griffith they were all over me (albeit only a 4l Griff!!) but the Cerbie keeps them at bay - or at least it did used to.Trouble is as you mention if someone wants to throw 25-30k of mods into a Jap bucket then it will make you Cerbera look positively lazy over 1/4 mile.However - I am still of the (biased ovbiously) opinion that the Cerbera still sticks with them up near enough up to 100 eats most over 140 and would you rather be driving a square jap shoebox (albeit very quick) or a TVR.Guy I met at BH had 590bhp in his Skyline but it cost him over £70k including the car - for that money I'd rather have the Red Rose Cerbie and enjoy the grin factor of owning a rare car that sounds great and styling wise is years ahead of its competitors.Horses for courses I suppose.Has it never amazed anyone else that by the time people have finished 'modding' their hot hatch or whatever they might as well have just gone out and bought a real sportscar for less money???
GreenV8S - you must have missed the rest of this thread the whole thing is pointless 
I think the Viper bashing is all in good humour, The world record caravan towing I posted certainly was
But i do agree; throw a bunch of money at any wreck and it'll go fast, just go down to South-End any weekend and witness the M*x Power Nova's at work !!
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I think the Viper bashing is all in good humour, The world record caravan towing I posted certainly was
But i do agree; throw a bunch of money at any wreck and it'll go fast, just go down to South-End any weekend and witness the M*x Power Nova's at work
!! >> Edited by d_drinks on Wednesday 10th April 09:03
On the subject of making cars fast.... I once saw an interview with Gordon Murray regarding the Big Mac's (LM) 0-100-0 record being under threat. He felt it would be relatively easy to make a car that could beat that time, and even pointed out that the test mule they built for the F1 had far more power than the final car and would have destroyed it in a straight line.
It's easy for people to take the mick out of people modifying their cars, but sometimes people do it just to be different and because it's a challenge. (I don't include people who just take it to a garage and say 'make it fast, here's £20k' in that bracket). I for one helped design a high perforamce 600cc petrol/electric racing car for my thesis with a sequential six-speed gearbox - it had a projected 0-60mph time of 2.2 seconds but would have cost around £16k to build which was too much for the University. (The model upon which the projection was based was fairly comprehensive and included a rigorous analysis of factors including tyres, gearing, weight transfer, power/weight, torque at low rpm, rolling resistance, aerodynamic resistance, etc). Now just imagine that at the lights!
In fact, writing that down has got me all enthused again. I still hope to build the thing one day, but I'd like to turbocharge it and stick it in a Mini shell!
roadsweeper.
It's easy for people to take the mick out of people modifying their cars, but sometimes people do it just to be different and because it's a challenge. (I don't include people who just take it to a garage and say 'make it fast, here's £20k' in that bracket). I for one helped design a high perforamce 600cc petrol/electric racing car for my thesis with a sequential six-speed gearbox - it had a projected 0-60mph time of 2.2 seconds
but would have cost around £16k to build which was too much for the University. (The model upon which the projection was based was fairly comprehensive and included a rigorous analysis of factors including tyres, gearing, weight transfer, power/weight, torque at low rpm, rolling resistance, aerodynamic resistance, etc). Now just imagine that at the lights! In fact, writing that down has got me all enthused again. I still hope to build the thing one day, but I'd like to turbocharge it and stick it in a Mini shell!
roadsweeper.
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In fact, writing that down has got me all enthused again. I still hope to build the thing one day, but I'd like to turbocharge it and stick it in a Mini shell!
roadsweeper.
I was reading in MCN yesterday that Ducati is building its first ever V4 configuration bike engine. Computer models told them it would produce 220bhp from 990cc (
) and the first thing I thought was 'Now, where did I put my mini!!' Matt.
Hi plotloss
Like the sound of that. My 'dream' engine for a Mini was going to be the Norton Nemesis engine - 1500cc V8 (seriously!) putting out over 300bhp.
I have been planning a 900bhp/tonne Mini for quite a while but am so busy with work that I haven't got time to do anything about it. However, I've now got my own house and garage so might start it as a project - it would certainly be something different anyway. I'm thinking CF shell from Curley Specialised Mouldings and a tubular spaceframe from KAD - it's only a few grand all in for those. The biggy is the engine I want, which I'm not going to name here, but it's more than a little special! I just find the thought of a mini with about the same power as a Cerbera 4.5 but about half the weight quite amusing, though I should mention that I wouldn't be retaining the front wheel drive! 
Like the sound of that. My 'dream' engine for a Mini was going to be the Norton Nemesis engine - 1500cc V8 (seriously!) putting out over 300bhp.
I have been planning a 900bhp/tonne Mini
for quite a while but am so busy with work that I haven't got time to do anything about it. However, I've now got my own house and garage so might start it as a project - it would certainly be something different anyway. I'm thinking CF shell from Curley Specialised Mouldings and a tubular spaceframe from KAD - it's only a few grand all in for those. The biggy is the engine I want, which I'm not going to name here, but it's more than a little special! I just find the thought of a mini with about the same power as a Cerbera 4.5 but about half the weight quite amusing, though I should mention that I wouldn't be retaining the front wheel drive! Did you ever see the Little Red Rocket, the GPO van with the dragster engine and the wheel arches almost to the roofline? That was about 500bhp and weighed about as much as a king size rizla.
I really quite fancy the Integra Type R conversion and retaining an unchanged exterior just for the suprise factor. Mine is quick, but lets face it too much is never enough and with Mini's theres always someone around willing to add to your lunacy!
Matt.
I really quite fancy the Integra Type R conversion and retaining an unchanged exterior just for the suprise factor. Mine is quick, but lets face it too much is never enough and with Mini's theres always someone around willing to add to your lunacy!
Matt.
Roadsweeper, your obviously a nutter! Nice one. Would be amazing fun with that kind of poke, although I don't see how a car with such a short wheelbase would be even faintly stable accelerating and especially decelerating hard from a high speed. I guess you would have it slammed on the deck with rock hard suspension. Give us a clue about that engine too - a "little special"? Are we talking Lotus Carlton or similar?
Hi plotloss & Roadrunner
Hmmm.... Should I give a hint about the engine... OK, lets see who's really up on their cars and can identify the engine!
1300cc, approx. 280bhp normally aspirated. Redline approx 10,000rpm. (Not a bike engine). I'd be looking at forced induction to take it up to about 400-450bhp.
Roadrunner, you're absolutely right about the problems inherent in a short wheelbase and 900bhp/tonne, but using a spaceframe, CF shell, bespoke suspension and the engine detailed above, I reckon I can keep the CoG very low and the suspension stiff, which should help alleviate this to some extent. I admit it may need traction control, but that's something I'd only add if necessary - best to try it first!
plotloss, I have seen a Mini pickup with a large capacity American V8 in the back which was very fast. Also seen a road legal Mini van dragster with another large capacity American V8, but this one was Nitro'd! I seem to remember it did the standing quarter <11s which is pretty damn good! The problem was that it weighed so boody much because he'd had to reinforce the entire shell and the engine weighed loads.
My brother has driven a VTEC powered Mini and it was superb apparently, really driveable at lows revs and amazing at high rpm. It had about 160bhp if I remember correctly but you can supercharge those engines (from an old CRX) to about 210-220bhp allegedly. That would give around 400bhp/tonne for an extensively lightened car.
The more I talk about it, the keener I get!
roadsweeper
Hmmm.... Should I give a hint about the engine... OK, lets see who's really up on their cars and can identify the engine!
1300cc, approx. 280bhp normally aspirated. Redline approx 10,000rpm. (Not a bike engine). I'd be looking at forced induction to take it up to about 400-450bhp.
Roadrunner, you're absolutely right about the problems inherent in a short wheelbase and 900bhp/tonne, but using a spaceframe, CF shell, bespoke suspension and the engine detailed above, I reckon I can keep the CoG very low and the suspension stiff, which should help alleviate this to some extent. I admit it may need traction control, but that's something I'd only add if necessary - best to try it first!
plotloss, I have seen a Mini pickup with a large capacity American V8 in the back which was very fast. Also seen a road legal Mini van dragster with another large capacity American V8, but this one was Nitro'd! I seem to remember it did the standing quarter <11s which is pretty damn good! The problem was that it weighed so boody much because he'd had to reinforce the entire shell and the engine weighed loads.
My brother has driven a VTEC powered Mini and it was superb apparently, really driveable at lows revs and amazing at high rpm. It had about 160bhp if I remember correctly but you can supercharge those engines (from an old CRX) to about 210-220bhp allegedly. That would give around 400bhp/tonne for an extensively lightened car.
The more I talk about it, the keener I get!
roadsweeper
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