Starter bloody starter

Starter bloody starter

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Byker28i

61,573 posts

219 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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I'm on my 3rd starter since that body off rebuild. New one fitted this year which Jason (str8six) says is much better than the rubbish tvr parts was supplying that I've had issues with before.

ukkid35

6,217 posts

175 months

Tuesday 19th November 2019
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At over £300 a pop that's a lot of money on starter motors

If I have to I'll take mine to Sahibs as they have a good reputation and they are local to me

cerb4.5lee

31,134 posts

182 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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ukkid35 said:
At over £300 a pop that's a lot of money on starter motors
That frustrated me when I paid over £300 for the starter motor on mine and it only lasted a year before it started playing up. So I went the cheaper route after that and purchased the clutch part myself for around £50 and I fitted it myself.

It is a bit of a pig to squeeze the starter motor through a gap that doesn't look big enough, but I got there in the end and it lasted longer than the new one I'd had put in.

Byker28i

61,573 posts

219 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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two from TVR parts lasted just over a years use, the last one just spun and wouldn't engage. The latest is from Str8Six, Jason says he uses a different one. Triton (not TVR supplied) on the invoice...

So that £1k on starters in 5 years.... (off road for paint and engine rebuild)


Edited by Byker28i on Friday 22 November 14:54

cerb4.5lee

31,134 posts

182 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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Byker28i said:
two from TVR parts lasted just over a years use, the last one just spun and wouldn't engage. The latest is from Str8Six, Jason says he uses a different one. Triton (not TVR supplied) on the invoice...

So that £1k on starters in 5 years.... (off road for paint and engine rebuild)
That is some money on starters for sure!

Mine was fitted by Jason as well, but I can't remember if it was a Triton one or not.

ukkid35

6,217 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
Mine was fitted by Jason as well, but I can't remember if it was a Triton one or not.
It's not a Triton unless you fitted a shower rather than a starter

https://tiltonracing.com/product-category/starter/

cerb4.5lee

31,134 posts

182 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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ukkid35 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Mine was fitted by Jason as well, but I can't remember if it was a Triton one or not.
It's not a Triton unless you fitted a shower rather than a starter

https://tiltonracing.com/product-category/starter/
hehe

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Byker28i

61,573 posts

219 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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ukkid35 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Mine was fitted by Jason as well, but I can't remember if it was a Triton one or not.
It's not a Triton unless you fitted a shower rather than a starter

https://tiltonracing.com/product-category/starter/
biggrin I'm sure my fingers are getting more dyslexic as I get older

ukkid35

6,217 posts

175 months

Tuesday 8th March 2022
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I fitted a new clutch about a year ago, and it engages perfectly now

However, it still suffers from heat soak

So I've ordered a new solenoid as well

Hopefully that will mean I don't have to pretend I have Stop-Start and manually switch off the ignition each time the car is stationary

Although come to think of it, I may continue to do the manual Stop-Start since fuel is going to be over £2 per L by the time I get to drive it again

Imran999

351 posts

155 months

Tuesday 8th March 2022
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I was certain that I needed a new starter last summer - it would always pause cranking when hot but would normally start on the second push of the button.

While trying to figure out some other issue, I put in a new battery and the hot start issue went away :-)

Easiest job I’ve ever had to do on the Cerb ;-)

pmessling

2,289 posts

205 months

Wednesday 9th March 2022
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1mm shim can help with the hot start. Picking some up tomorrow from the laser cutters.


ukkid35

6,217 posts

175 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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pmessling said:
1mm shim can help with the hot start. Picking some up tomorrow from the laser cutters.

Much nicer design than the OEM

I decided to use a little silicone RTV to stick the shim to the starter motor, makes fitting the starter much easier

spitfire4v8

4,008 posts

183 months

Thursday 17th March 2022
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Not just hot starts either .. I fitted a WOSP starter to a customer car which screeched occasionally on cold starts, fitting a 1mm shim appears to have cured that completely.

The Nige

Original Poster:

169 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th March
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Hi everyone,
Just out of curiosity, has anyone fitted a new starting motor lately? I fitted a Wosp starter back in January 2020 and it has just started the occasional screech while not engaging and on times works with no issues.
Tried varying thickness of shims but still the odd screech, I tried buying the drive assembly kit and bits but they seem to be no longer available.
I went looking for an alternative and came across this. yikes

https://www.ccw-tools.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=1...
If I say I can’t be bothered messing about anymore and decide a new starter is the way to go, is this my only option or where do I look.

Cheers and happy mothers day

The Nige

Original Poster:

169 posts

191 months

Sunday 26th May
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Hi All,
Can someone suggest a solution to my ongoing starting issue?
The immobiliser started playing up last year with intermittent fuel pump and starter issues, fuel pump primming and sometimes not primming, same sort of issue with the starter util the starter finally died and was replaced with a new old stock the end of May but looking back I wasn’t completely sure about the connection of the black starter wire on the solenoid, I just wanted to get it fitted.
New immobiliser and alarm fitted mid-April this year.



A couple of days after new immobiliser fitted the starter began to play up again, no clicking, no spinning or screeching total silence. Replaced relay but still intermittent.
Is this the correct starter relay?




I keep coming back to the thin black starter lead on the solenoid, if that had a poor connection and not enough power getting through, could this be the cause.

Any thoughts will be appreciated.
Thanks
Nigel

The Nige

Original Poster:

169 posts

191 months

Monday 27th May
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Right, the fault accured agin today, press button, fuel pump primes no noise from saterter just a cluck from the rear. Jumped out, removed relay and linked 30 and 87 in the fuse board, same result, just a clunk sound nothing from starter.

Does this mean that I'm back looking at the immobiliser?

Cheers

notaping

277 posts

73 months

Monday 27th May
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I had the exact same symptoms last spring. Found a starter relay in the passenger footwell - suffering from corrosion. It fed the final power to the solenoid. It was with the jumble of boxes etc hanging around the MBE. I seem to recall that the power feed comes from the 110 amp fuse in front of the top passenger door hinge. Looks like the same spec of relay.


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Edited by notaping on Monday 27th May 14:42

The Nige

Original Poster:

169 posts

191 months

Monday 27th May
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Thanks Notaping, I think my next challenge is working out why there is no power getting to the relay.

Supateg

757 posts

144 months

Tuesday 28th May
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Where the starter solenoid wire connects to the harness plug, (near the big fuse in the engine bay) I found the plug to be two pin with only one pin used. I have a dedicated ‘test wire’ from this other pin up to the battery (jumper wire looped on harness to other pin)
If an issues occurs with the dreaded black button press and no start I can bypass with direct battery current to the solenoid to rule out a component failure. Luckily upto now I have needed to use it!

Hth

Jordie Barretts sock

4,869 posts

21 months

Tuesday 28th May
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Haven't you just explained to the Internet how to hot wire a Cerbera?