V12 QUESTION---V12 QUESTION !!!
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Testarossa! Flat 12 tho, not V. But superb methinks.
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ferrarispider said:
When i used the word Flat 12 about the Testarossa engine about two years ago that i owned.There were alot of ya smart arses on F.chat who jumped on my back for calling it that. They said it was known as a V12. WTF is that about a V is a V and a _____ is a _____ i say
Now chaa, pay attention.
The angle of the V is the bit between the arms (90deg V8, 60deg V12 etc).
If you put a 180deg angle between the legs, you get a 180deg V12. Or a flat-12.
Sort of calling a spade a digging implement, but pedants are pedants I guess
IMHO testarossa would be a dream anyway, whatever 12 it is 
If you find:
1. that it's slightly short of power-to-weight
2. that you suddenly come up with a lot of spare cash
then give it the koenig treatment, hmmmm, how yummy would a twinturbo flat-12 be
although purists would brand you a heretic
>> Edited by boomerkk on Thursday 25th August 03:12
If you find:
1. that it's slightly short of power-to-weight
2. that you suddenly come up with a lot of spare cash
then give it the koenig treatment, hmmmm, how yummy would a twinturbo flat-12 be
although purists would brand you a heretic
>> Edited by boomerkk on Thursday 25th August 03:12
No, stay away from the 512TR, terrible, terrible I say! ... unless you buy one in another colour other than red over tan, then they're ok, you don't want those red/tan ones though, awful, best let me check them out first for you once I've got rid of the Spider. 
Oh, and all the dealers/engineers I've spoken to call the TRs flat 12s.
What was that lovely red older car pic? a beauty whatever it was, I would guess at a Muira or a Ghibli but am probably showing my ignorance!
Oh, and all the dealers/engineers I've spoken to call the TRs flat 12s.
What was that lovely red older car pic? a beauty whatever it was, I would guess at a Muira or a Ghibli but am probably showing my ignorance!
burriana said:
No, stay away from the 512TR, terrible, terrible I say! ... unless you buy one in another colour other than red over tan, then they're ok, you don't want those red/tan ones though, awful, best let me check them out first for you once I've got rid of the Spider.
Oh, and all the dealers/engineers I've spoken to call the TRs flat 12s.
What was that lovely red older car pic? a beauty whatever it was, I would guess at a Muira or a Ghibli but am probably showing my ignorance!
Will you please just go out and buy one
(BTW, the metallic greay ones look awesome in the flesh, as do black ones...though red's nice). The car in dinkel's picture is a Lamborghini Espada. Big old beasts, lots of presence.
burriana said:
Oh, and all the dealers/engineers I've spoken to call the TRs flat 12s.
Quite right and so do I - Of course TRs and all Boxers are Flat-12s and have never
been anything else. Since we are talking of the cylinder configuration or
layout, to flatten a "V" is to create a straight line.
Having read this thread and the debate on Fchat, I did some digging around. My
365BB factory workshop manual refers to the engine ( in Italian ) simply as
12 cyl @ 180deg with no mention of that contraversial "V". Mel Nichols
excellent book on the Boxers ( published by Osprey in 1979 ) refers to both
4.4 litre ( aka 365 ) and 5 litre ( aka 512 ) engines as "Flat-12 horizonally
opposed". He uses precisely the same language when referring to the F1
engines including the original 1.5 litre and subsequent variants
upto the final 312.
However, Ferrari's recent "clienti" website mysteriously refers
to my old 365BB as having a 180deg V-12 engine. We can therefore reasonably
assume, that it is Ferrari themselves who have rebranded the engine
with the biggest load of codswallop since "moving a hole" or better still
"bending straight something which is bent".
Why did they change the branding? I'm guessing but Ferrari probably assumed
some potential customers may not understand the concept of a "Flat 12"
but would understand 180deg V-12. Unlike the TR, Boxers were not sold in
the USA of course - Reference to the TR workshop manual or handbook may
reveal more but I don't have either.
So for me, all Ferrari's 180deg 12s have always been and will always be Flat 12s.
HTH
>> Edited by Nigelo on Monday 29th August 15:40
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