Help pick a Supercar - £120k budget
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RSbandit said:
If £120k is the absolute limit then a nice 570S Spider looks the obvious choice…crazy quick, rides v well and looks the part. Yes I’d advise a warranty for the first 12 months at least. Gallardo Perf Spyder around that level too very rare so good ones don’t come up v often, fairly old tech now when compared to a McLaren, epic noise of course. I know you said no AM but quite a few Vanquish S cars under £120k now, really sublime engine in those.
570S and Gallardo definitely of interest, scary warranty stories make me twitchy about Mclaren as its the lower end of the market unfortunately and I think you must stick to factory warranty to be able to enjoy one.I've driven a few of the very latest AM and although they are beautiful, sound fabulous etc they just don't make me feel all "tingly" if you know whether I mean. If budgets weren't an issue you'd have one of theirs as your daily !
200Plus Club said:
570S and Gallardo definitely of interest, scary warranty stories make me twitchy about Mclaren as its the lower end of the market unfortunately and I think you must stick to factory warranty to be able to enjoy one.
I've driven a few of the very latest AM and although they are beautiful, sound fabulous etc they just don't make me feel all "tingly" if you know whether I mean. If budgets weren't an issue you'd have one of theirs as your daily !
£120k is not the lower end of the 570s Spider market...........I've driven a few of the very latest AM and although they are beautiful, sound fabulous etc they just don't make me feel all "tingly" if you know whether I mean. If budgets weren't an issue you'd have one of theirs as your daily !
RSbandit said:
At 120k you’re defo at the upper end of the used 570s Spider mkt in fact you’ll prob have some change to pay for warranty etc. buy through a main dealer and you’ll get 12 months included. AMG GTR a good shout from someone else like those a lot.
Can see why suggested...I just found my dream car... Search for yours https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308030...
I moved from a 718GT4 to a 600LT Spider. Can't really discuss them in the same breath - the McLaren has massively more presence, beautiful car, nicer interior, performance in a different league. Much more of an event to drive and surprisingly a better ride on the road than the GT4.
For £120k the 600LT is out of budget, but a 570S Spider isn't massively different to my car - 30 less horses, different suspension and brakes so slightly higher ground clearance and arguably more practical on road than the LT (although the LT is fine even without the nose lift on most speed humps/kerbs). Biggest difference is really the top exit exhausts which come into their own in the Spider! You could just about get a 720S coupe for your money, blisteringly fast but when I drove one it felt much more GT car than the 570/600, the Sports Series cars feel much more pointy and go-kart-like. Expect a 720S to cost more to run too - much thirstier (600LT does 30mpg on a run), warranty more expensive etc.
I too looked at 991.2 GT3s, but 5 year old cars with 25k+ miles were >£135k when I was looking (just under a year ago). Interior would be just like sitting in your GT4. Many will also have seen quite a lot of track action, and while they're pretty bombproof, it takes its toll on brakes, suspension bushes etc. so likely to start seeing some biggish non-warranty maintenance bills.
I wouldn't be too fixated on McLaren warranty. People get put off by stories about massive warranty claims, but it's because main dealers just replace and don't repair anything. Thorney and V Engineering can sort out the bigger stuff fairly economically, as well as being much cheaper for the routine servicing and minor stuff. What a lot of folks do (me included) is buy from a main dealer with a 12 month McLaren warranty, then you've got the reassurance of no big bills and by the time the year's up you have got any little niggles sorted and have the option to either renew (at about £3k/year) or self-warranty. I'll probably do the latter along with many others in here. Routine servicing about the same price as the Porsche, but it's annual versus the 2 years on the Porsche. The slightly odd thing about McLarens is that main dealer cars don't seem to be more expensive than non-franchise or private sales. Obviously you don't have the option of a manual with the Mac.
If you're planning on tracking regularly then the McLaren probably isn't for you. They perform great on track, but the ceramic brakes are much more fragile than the GT3 and much more expensive to replace. Also to maintain warranty you need to have a pre and post trackday inspection at a main dealer at about £400 each which is a ridiculous expense and completely impractical for someone like me who's 170 miles away from said dealer. That more than the brake issue has put me off tracking mine.
You'd better subject yourself to the torture of getting some test drives in
For £120k the 600LT is out of budget, but a 570S Spider isn't massively different to my car - 30 less horses, different suspension and brakes so slightly higher ground clearance and arguably more practical on road than the LT (although the LT is fine even without the nose lift on most speed humps/kerbs). Biggest difference is really the top exit exhausts which come into their own in the Spider! You could just about get a 720S coupe for your money, blisteringly fast but when I drove one it felt much more GT car than the 570/600, the Sports Series cars feel much more pointy and go-kart-like. Expect a 720S to cost more to run too - much thirstier (600LT does 30mpg on a run), warranty more expensive etc.
I too looked at 991.2 GT3s, but 5 year old cars with 25k+ miles were >£135k when I was looking (just under a year ago). Interior would be just like sitting in your GT4. Many will also have seen quite a lot of track action, and while they're pretty bombproof, it takes its toll on brakes, suspension bushes etc. so likely to start seeing some biggish non-warranty maintenance bills.
I wouldn't be too fixated on McLaren warranty. People get put off by stories about massive warranty claims, but it's because main dealers just replace and don't repair anything. Thorney and V Engineering can sort out the bigger stuff fairly economically, as well as being much cheaper for the routine servicing and minor stuff. What a lot of folks do (me included) is buy from a main dealer with a 12 month McLaren warranty, then you've got the reassurance of no big bills and by the time the year's up you have got any little niggles sorted and have the option to either renew (at about £3k/year) or self-warranty. I'll probably do the latter along with many others in here. Routine servicing about the same price as the Porsche, but it's annual versus the 2 years on the Porsche. The slightly odd thing about McLarens is that main dealer cars don't seem to be more expensive than non-franchise or private sales. Obviously you don't have the option of a manual with the Mac.
If you're planning on tracking regularly then the McLaren probably isn't for you. They perform great on track, but the ceramic brakes are much more fragile than the GT3 and much more expensive to replace. Also to maintain warranty you need to have a pre and post trackday inspection at a main dealer at about £400 each which is a ridiculous expense and completely impractical for someone like me who's 170 miles away from said dealer. That more than the brake issue has put me off tracking mine.
You'd better subject yourself to the torture of getting some test drives in
Thats helpful thanks. It will be torture obviously but someone has to take one for the team...!
Insurance quote was interesting, almost identical price on that 570S against a GT3.
Edit to add, crazy that it's 300 quid cheaper by quote to insure a Gallardo Performante than both the above, 700 quid approx quoted.
Insurance quote was interesting, almost identical price on that 570S against a GT3.
Edit to add, crazy that it's 300 quid cheaper by quote to insure a Gallardo Performante than both the above, 700 quid approx quoted.
Edited by 200Plus Club on Thursday 21st September 06:23
Suspect you could pick this 488 up for 120k:
https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-f...
Edit: And it still has 5 months Ferrari warranty left with a FFSH. Suspect these are also fairly depreciation friendly compared to some of the other brands being discussed (eyeballs McLaren).
https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-f...
Edit: And it still has 5 months Ferrari warranty left with a FFSH. Suspect these are also fairly depreciation friendly compared to some of the other brands being discussed (eyeballs McLaren).
Worth noting than aoart from OP no one else has mentioned a porsche probabky because they just aren't special enough and are far too common.
Also the porsche price bubble that has protected values is now well and truly burst and with loads for sale and huge production numbers still coming thru prices need a big price correction
Also the porsche price bubble that has protected values is now well and truly burst and with loads for sale and huge production numbers still coming thru prices need a big price correction
Sounds to me like perfect 650S Spider territory to me.
For your budget you could have the pick of most cars available (there are never very many...!) and still have some budget up your sleeve to maintain/insure/self warranty.
You get mind bending performance, 'everyday' usability and good looks, all with a car that has already depreciated hugely and appears great value at the moment.
For your budget you could have the pick of most cars available (there are never very many...!) and still have some budget up your sleeve to maintain/insure/self warranty.
You get mind bending performance, 'everyday' usability and good looks, all with a car that has already depreciated hugely and appears great value at the moment.
Agree with above, when I first looked at mclaren I thought the 570spider was best bang for buck, but the 650spider is way cooler.
Mega suspension and air brake, it’s way more exotic than a 570s & looks have grown on me, I now prefer the 650s, it’s like a fine wine.
570s for show, 650s for go
Mega suspension and air brake, it’s way more exotic than a 570s & looks have grown on me, I now prefer the 650s, it’s like a fine wine.
570s for show, 650s for go
Nuttbelle said:
Worth noting than aoart from OP no one else has mentioned a porsche probabky because they just aren't special enough and are far too common.
Also the porsche price bubble that has protected values is now well and truly burst and with loads for sale and huge production numbers still coming thru prices need a big price correction
Yeah it's a good point, although OP also mentioned has had an R8 in the past. Not much mentioned on the thread screams supercar to me except the McLaren's, Lambo's and the 488 I linked above. Lots of fabulous cars no doubt, but I find it difficult to think of Porsche's, AMG's and Audi's as supercars...Also the porsche price bubble that has protected values is now well and truly burst and with loads for sale and huge production numbers still coming thru prices need a big price correction
That 488 looks cheap even with what is high mileage for a Ferrari. Yeah the 650S is huge value with the nicer cars around the £100k mark, running costs would be higher than the 570s but as already stated I think if you have an older McLaren then V Engineering and Thorney are the guys to look after it for you …main dealer warranty is £5500 on super series cars over 5 yrs old I believe.
I've been in the market for a McLaren for the last few months, I've spoken to a few owners face to face about their experiences as well as had a long chat with the very helpful and friendly guys at V Engineering. In line with some others on here I have come to the conclusion that the issues they face have been blown way out of proportion. It's a combination of the internet exaggerating the problems, a generally shoddy main dealer network that makes any issues worse than they should be, and a policy of replace rather than repair from McLaren themselves.
I'd definitely prefer a warranty, and would pay a premium for a car that has one, but it's certainly not a deal breaker for me. If I could have a car inspected by someone who really knows what they are doing, and if I wasn't too far from a really good independent (eg Thorney or V) I'd absolutely be willing to self warranty as long as it was factored into the purchase price. Plus if you really want Thorney will put their warranty on a 570s bought elsewhere for £2850, pending an inspection which is included in the price, which seems pretty reasonable. They even cover track use.
I'd definitely prefer a warranty, and would pay a premium for a car that has one, but it's certainly not a deal breaker for me. If I could have a car inspected by someone who really knows what they are doing, and if I wasn't too far from a really good independent (eg Thorney or V) I'd absolutely be willing to self warranty as long as it was factored into the purchase price. Plus if you really want Thorney will put their warranty on a 570s bought elsewhere for £2850, pending an inspection which is included in the price, which seems pretty reasonable. They even cover track use.
Soleith said:
Suspect you could pick this 488 up for 120k:
https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-f...
Edit: And it still has 5 months Ferrari warranty left with a FFSH. Suspect these are also fairly depreciation friendly compared to some of the other brands being discussed (eyeballs McLaren).
Now we are talking, albeit a lucky stretch if you could at £120khttps://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-f...
Edit: And it still has 5 months Ferrari warranty left with a FFSH. Suspect these are also fairly depreciation friendly compared to some of the other brands being discussed (eyeballs McLaren).
murphyaj said:
I've been in the market for a McLaren for the last few months, I've spoken to a few owners face to face about their experiences as well as had a long chat with the very helpful and friendly guys at V Engineering. In line with some others on here I have come to the conclusion that the issues they face have been blown way out of proportion. It's a combination of the internet exaggerating the problems, a generally shoddy main dealer network that makes any issues worse than they should be, and a policy of replace rather than repair from McLaren themselves.
I'd definitely prefer a warranty, and would pay a premium for a car that has one, but it's certainly not a deal breaker for me. If I could have a car inspected by someone who really knows what they are doing, and if I wasn't too far from a really good independent (eg Thorney or V) I'd absolutely be willing to self warranty as long as it was factored into the purchase price. Plus if you really want Thorney will put their warranty on a 570s bought elsewhere for £2850, pending an inspection which is included in the price, which seems pretty reasonable. They even cover track use.
Helpful thanks!I'd definitely prefer a warranty, and would pay a premium for a car that has one, but it's certainly not a deal breaker for me. If I could have a car inspected by someone who really knows what they are doing, and if I wasn't too far from a really good independent (eg Thorney or V) I'd absolutely be willing to self warranty as long as it was factored into the purchase price. Plus if you really want Thorney will put their warranty on a 570s bought elsewhere for £2850, pending an inspection which is included in the price, which seems pretty reasonable. They even cover track use.
Couple of nice 650 Spiders below and well below your budget.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308010...
Low mileage example (although maybe too low more use tends to benefit McLarens)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309041...
Great colour on this one, I’d be inclined to have either inspected by V or McLaren themselves before purchase.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308010...
Low mileage example (although maybe too low more use tends to benefit McLarens)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309041...
Great colour on this one, I’d be inclined to have either inspected by V or McLaren themselves before purchase.
I was looking for something about 6 months ago with similar budget. Despite having previously owned one - 650 spider was the only thing that seemed to tick all of my boxes. Huracan was tempting, but I didn't really want to go coupe - and I didn't want a soft top.
I owned my first 650 spider for 3 years, took it from 7k to 25k miles and had very few problems. I ran without warranty for the final year.
I've owned the current one for 6 months - I had air brake faults soon after buying, but V fixed it while I waited (it was more than just recalibration) for the grand total of about £160 I think. This did come with some kind of warranty (the one AB gives with his cars) - but I don't really care or expect to need it and certainly won't renew it.
I am pretty sure I want to sell mine now but given the time of year I'll probably wait until spring and then give it back to AB to sell.
I owned my first 650 spider for 3 years, took it from 7k to 25k miles and had very few problems. I ran without warranty for the final year.
I've owned the current one for 6 months - I had air brake faults soon after buying, but V fixed it while I waited (it was more than just recalibration) for the grand total of about £160 I think. This did come with some kind of warranty (the one AB gives with his cars) - but I don't really care or expect to need it and certainly won't renew it.
I am pretty sure I want to sell mine now but given the time of year I'll probably wait until spring and then give it back to AB to sell.
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