458 Speciale

[KenC]

So if its not limited, given the probable replacement date, roughly how many UK cars would be likely?

[APOLO1]

respectfully the tts will lose....but noting like the 100k a year the 458SP has lost. I have been ruining Turbos as every day cars in the UK form 89, lowest deprecating super cars I have ever owned...I had 2 997TT and S in EU, the tt lost 40k in 3 years and 40k miles... the S gave to a Business friend. Great fun in both cars....The 991 Gt3, Will hold list through the entire production run of the 250 UK cars, the 10k price increase on the 2nd run will help

Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 6th October 20:18

[APOLO1]

I think they will fill every order..

[GrahamPM]

Can't believe a Spider has lost £100k in a year - surely only by hammering every extra/option? Most Spiders seem to be around the £200k mark; to spec one to £300k seems madness?
Graham

[andy355]

100k loss on a 458 spider? How so?

[sone]

I need to read this thread again, I was getting mixed up between Speciale and Spider!. Doh!. Both being refered to as SP

[GrahamPM]

I only assume Apolo1 is referring to Spider as how can the Speciale loose 100K when it hasn't even been released yet?
G

[Robbo66]

GrahamPM said:

Can't believe a Spider has lost £100k in a year - surely only by hammering every extra/option? Most Spiders seem to be around the £200k mark; to spec one to £300k seems madness?
Graham

He didn't ....obviously.

They are desperately trying to keep the RRP up, even when buying so low.

So even though prices are seemingly holding, when you come to trade in your are absolutely ripped off on their bid price.

Worse of both worlds, paying over the top on the RRP and mullered on the trade in.

People are now wise to this IMO, sales have stalled and stock is rising ath the Dealers. I was looking..not now.

[Robbo66]

InsideDealings said:

Not sure you can blame the dealer for the depreciation or the bid price.

?....
The Dealer commands the bid price and the RRP.
At present, they are under strict instructions to keep the RRP high so clients buy new cars. They have a mountain of stock, and have bid and bought very cheaply as Mr Apollo has pointed out.
You try and get a decent bid on one from a Dealer, you won't.
Again, the discerning client has 'wised' up to this, and even the fickle wealthy don't wish to lose £75 - £100k in 1000 miles and 8 months.
Ferrari need a reason to allow the RRP to slide on the SP and the Coupe, the 458 S is a calculated release to allow this to happen, without Ferrari losing face (in their opinion).
As with the 12C....handled badly.

[marky1]

So why would you trade in with a dealer. Why not just sell it privately for 10k more than the dealer offers?

[tony h]

the egham carpark was literally chokka block with 458s for saturday's launch... i was squeezed out on end

[GrahamPM]

This thread has gone way of topic - it started off about the dealer launch events which I'm looking forward to tonight at Ferrari Manchester (Wilmslow). I'm at the factory in a couple of weeks for a 'tour' and doing 'the Atelier' to confirm my spec .
Graham

[RSoovy4]

rubystone said:

Duxford Sunday...will bring the 365 along for colour :-)

Lovely lovely car mate - was there as I have a contact at Duxford who owes me. Gorgeous colour and beautiful condition.




Also respect to the owner of the 595 Abarth with the PH smiley on the bumper!!

I brought my dear old Mum with me (visiting from oop North) and she'd never seen glitz like it! She said she "felt like Audrey Hepburn" and she LOVED rubystone's motor.




Quick poor quality picture..... Great venue!

Edited by RSoovy4 on Monday 7th October 10:09

[jtremlett]

tony h said:

the egham carpark was literally chokka block with 458s for saturday's launch... i was squeezed out on end

Meaning there were about 10 458s there. It isn't a very big car park!

Jonathan

[Robbo66]

marky1 said:

So why would you trade in with a dealer. Why not just sell it privately for 10k more than the dealer offers?

Great....so you only £90k down on the deal instead of £100K...with all the hassle factor involved too.

[tony h]

jtremlett said:

eaning there were about 10 458s there. It isn't a very big car park!

Jonathan

but relevent as im sure current owners will need to sell either spider or berlinetta if they buy a speciale, no point keeping both

[Murcielago_Boy]

APOLO1 said:

they are not in a position to limit the SP, as they have little or no 458 sales as it is... IMHO

Absolutely right.
Was recently offered a new 458 coupe below DEALER cost (they showed me the invoice to THEM). The car is finished. 458 Spider next. 458 Speciale not even worth considering regardless of one's ability and willingness to hose £££££££ on depreciation because it costs the same a Carrera GT which is one of the all time great to drive.

That aside, the front looks horrible. A stripe on a 360CS was once kinda cool - now I'd feel like a tt stepping out that "speciale-needs." I bet it's blisteringly quick though.

[sone]

Murcielago_Boy said:

APOLO1 said:

they are not in a position to limit the SP, as they have little or no 458 sales as it is... IMHO

Absolutely right.
Was recently offered a new 458 coupe below DEALER cost (they showed me the invoice to THEM). The car is finished. 458 Spider next. 458 Speciale not even worth considering regardless of one's ability and willingness to hose £££££££ on depreciation because it costs the same a Carrera GT which is one of the all time great to drive.

That aside, the front looks horrible. A stripe on a 360CS was once kinda cool - now I'd feel like a tt stepping out that "speciale-needs." I bet it's blisteringly quick though.

So the Speciale is going to be in excess of 300k?, because that's what you'll pay for a low mile Carrera GT. I've no doubt the speciale will be an equal dive to the Carrera GT but given the rarity of the Porsche it is more sought after.
That said you's be even less inclined to put miles of the Porsche.

[marky1]

Robbo66 said:

Great....so you only £90k down on the deal instead of £100K...with all the hassle factor involved too.

Alright so 20k. My point is you're saying about getting absolutely stitched up by the dealer so tell them to FO and sell it for 20k more to a private punter. If you don't want the hassle then take the loss.... there is an alternative if the loss is giving you such a bad feeling that's all I'm saying.

[Robbo66]

marky1 said:

Robbo66 said:

Great....so you only £90k down on the deal instead of £100K...with all the hassle factor involved too.

Alright so 20k. My point is you're saying about getting absolutely stitched up by the dealer so tell them to FO and sell it for 20k more to a private punter. If you don't want the hassle then take the loss.... there is an alternative if the loss is giving you such a bad feeling that's all I'm saying.

Hobsons choice. The loss is stratospheric and it is failing to be kept in check by Ferrari. That's all I'm saying.

People are losing £1000 / mile in depreciation, and the Dealer prices are not reflecting this !.

People are wising up. If your wealthy enough to afford to lose the above, then so be it, but they are fewer and far between IMO.

In addition, your pool of prospective buyers narrows considerably selling privately. I for one, would never consider a private purchase on a car of this value, but thats just me.