Rusty Mclaren 570s
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Chris355 said:
Well ... Mclaren have taken it in to sort it out under warranty. One week turn around. Won’t say how they are going to sort it out! Don’t think I would be happy not knowing.
Sounds dodgy. They sell dodgy panels, and then a dodgy aftersales fix...Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
Yipper said:
Chris355 said:
Well ... Mclaren have taken it in to sort it out under warranty. One week turn around. Won’t say how they are going to sort it out! Don’t think I would be happy not knowing.
Sounds dodgy. They sell dodgy panels, and then a dodgy aftersales fix...Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
This kind of problem is not unusual; I have seen it on any number of Ferrari's and Lambo's as well as other high end marks. A simple error such as touching a bare metal body with your bare hands so transferring your oils to the surface will cause paint to bubble if not properly cleaned off before painting.
Having painted a number of show winning cars in my time I like to think I know most of the pitfalls
WCZ said:
I don't see how it's the EU's fault, not every manufacturer has paint issues - Rolls Royce for example!
I think clear coat is still solvent based, so that will help with the paint not being affected so easily by bird poo etc.Presume RR have better quality control than McLaren & AM and clean the panels before they are painted as any moisture from touching the unpainted alluminium panel with bare hands can cause later paint bubbling.
MarkM3Evoplus said:
WCZ said:
I don't see how it's the EU's fault, not every manufacturer has paint issues - Rolls Royce for example!
I think clear coat is still solvent based, so that will help with the paint not being affected so easily by bird poo etc.Presume RR have better quality control than McLaren & AM and clean the panels before they are painted as any moisture from touching the unpainted alluminium panel with bare hands can cause later paint bubbling.
Yipper said:
Sounds dodgy. They sell dodgy panels, and then a dodgy aftersales fix...
Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
Don't listen to Yipper aka as the "Grim Reaper". Easy fix, no big deal and car should come back perfect. If its not you moan and get them to sort it out again.Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
I wouldn't care or want to know what they are going to do as long as the end result is as new it does not matter.
Just a question occurs in my mind: I see that you have your 570S under a protective wrap. Is it possible, that applying this too early can cause the bubbles ?
Because I wait for mine to come in March and I have already ordered the wrapping (not by McLaren but externaly at the McL Dealers site). May it be wise to wait a few weeks with this ?
Because I wait for mine to come in March and I have already ordered the wrapping (not by McLaren but externaly at the McL Dealers site). May it be wise to wait a few weeks with this ?
Scheki said:
Just a question occurs in my mind: I see that you have your 570S under a protective wrap. Is it possible, that applying this too early can cause the bubbles ?
Because I wait for mine to come in March and I have already ordered the wrapping (not by McLaren but externaly at the McL Dealers site). May it be wise to wait a few weeks with this ?
I'd ask McLaren and the company doing the wrap, but initial thought is that modern car paint which is baked at the factory is fully cured by the time it's left the production line. This problem looks to be down to errors in the initial coatings over the bare alloy, not related to anything that's applied over the top.Because I wait for mine to come in March and I have already ordered the wrapping (not by McLaren but externaly at the McL Dealers site). May it be wise to wait a few weeks with this ?
Yipper said:
Sounds dodgy. They sell dodgy panels, and then a dodgy aftersales fix...
Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
Your agenda is in full view. I guess that you would not be writing the word 'dodgy' if it happened to a Lambo.Best to force them to spill the beans, so it is known exactly what is being done with your (not their) car.
It will be either a full respray of the whole car (100%), a partial respray of just the bubbly panels (20-80%), a partial-partial respray of just the bubbled corners (5-30%), a full refit with brand-new panels on the entire car (metal + paint), or a partial refit with brand-new panels for just the bubbly panels (metal + paint).
If it is just a partial respray or refit, there is a risk the bubbling will return on other un-resprayed or un-refitted panels. And the "other" bubbling may not show until it is out of warranty...
Its only a small number of cars effected but none the less its poor from McLaren and you have to sympathise with those few effected.
When I had a small paint blemish issue on a small panel ( not this rust ) with mine McLaren were good as gold to be fair and took it back to the factory immediately to complete the rectification.
I expect 99% of people would not have even spotted it but because I'm fussy and in the trade, knowing what I'm looking at, they rolled over and corrected it 100% to my satisfaction and lent me another car in the meantime.
End result I was happy but I kind of understand how it works.
Depends how McLaren handle these issues but they should be bending over backwards to keep you happy IMHO
When I had a small paint blemish issue on a small panel ( not this rust ) with mine McLaren were good as gold to be fair and took it back to the factory immediately to complete the rectification.
I expect 99% of people would not have even spotted it but because I'm fussy and in the trade, knowing what I'm looking at, they rolled over and corrected it 100% to my satisfaction and lent me another car in the meantime.
End result I was happy but I kind of understand how it works.
Depends how McLaren handle these issues but they should be bending over backwards to keep you happy IMHO
This is quiet amazing for a brand such as McLaren to produce such poor quality panels. This is embarrassing really. I know the McLaren fans will always find an excuse for mistakes but at the price of these chariots, I already heard far to many stories of how badly put together they are.
E34-3.2 said:
This is quiet amazing for a brand such as McLaren to produce such poor quality panels. This is embarrassing really. I know the McLaren fans will always find an excuse for mistakes but at the price of these chariots, I already heard far to many stories of how badly put together they are.
On balance, Ferrari aren't the best put together things in world, either. I agree that it shouldn't be excused, but in reality it does seem par for the course on low volume production vehicles.mwstewart said:
E34-3.2 said:
This is quiet amazing for a brand such as McLaren to produce such poor quality panels. This is embarrassing really. I know the McLaren fans will always find an excuse for mistakes but at the price of these chariots, I already heard far to many stories of how badly put together they are.
On balance, Ferrari aren't the best put together things in world, either. I agree that it shouldn't be excused, but in reality it does seem par for the course on low volume production vehicles.For balance the black paint on the inside of the doors of my Ferrari F430 peeled away after 12 months and the paint around the door mirror fixing bubbled on my Lamborghini Gallardo Performante.
Fortunately no such issues on my 650S spider which is 3 years old today. Car has never missed a beat and be perfect. In fact its so good
I have never owned a car as long.
A long list of Ferraris and Lambo's have lasted anywhere from 6 months to 18 months previously but the McLaren gets better with time
Fortunately no such issues on my 650S spider which is 3 years old today. Car has never missed a beat and be perfect. In fact its so good
I have never owned a car as long.
A long list of Ferraris and Lambo's have lasted anywhere from 6 months to 18 months previously but the McLaren gets better with time
RamboLambo said:
For balance the black paint on the inside of the doors of my Ferrari F430 peeled away after 12 months and the paint around the door mirror fixing bubbled on my Lamborghini Gallardo Performante.
Fortunately no such issues on my 650S spider which is 3 years old today. Car has never missed a beat and be perfect. In fact its so good
I have never owned a car as long.
A long list of Ferraris and Lambo's have lasted anywhere from 6 months to 18 months previously but the McLaren gets better with time
Why do you continually spout this guff ? You have had 3 Ferraris and 1 Lambo - hardly a long list. And one of the Ferraris you claim to have had for over 10 years and is a keeper. Fortunately no such issues on my 650S spider which is 3 years old today. Car has never missed a beat and be perfect. In fact its so good
I have never owned a car as long.
A long list of Ferraris and Lambo's have lasted anywhere from 6 months to 18 months previously but the McLaren gets better with time
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