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the hop said:
Gather all of the paperwork (from the pair of you) and go to the police. What they did is outright fraud/theft and easily proven. I have heard several similar cases involving this dealer. Falsifies the actual selling price and pockets the difference himself.
Sounds like theft by deception to me, in some cars it can carry a prison sentence if proven to be the case. I would be seeking experienced legal advice.
DamanC said:
Purcahsed a Performante through them July last year. Cash. Very much so a SOR dealer.
Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but s
t happens.
2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Thanks for sharing, interesting.Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but s
t happens.2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Edited by DamanC on Thursday 7th January 22:56
Few facts: A private Car sale that is SOR, doesn’t change the car at all. In effect it’s exactly the same car, whether it’s sold private or by dealer. By buying private, at least I know the real previous owner and a lot can be learnt when chatting with that person as well as visiting their home for viewing the car. During the visit you would build your trust, further full main dealer service history and proper records without anything missing would complete the package. Then would just arrange an inspection by RAC/AA or main dealer, would often also offer extended warranty if required. So in effect you have more in your control and both parties, seller and buyer would save a lot unnecessary costs to middle man.
Yes both parties have to do their due diligence but in that way you save £7k, I think I prefer that. Even buying the extended warranty yourself, you still save big sum.
However do let me know if I missed a potential pitfall?
mali7 said:
DamanC said:
Purcahsed a Performante through them July last year. Cash. Very much so a SOR dealer.
Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but st happens.
2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Thanks for sharing, interesting.Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but s
t happens.2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Edited by DamanC on Thursday 7th January 22:56
Few facts: A private Car sale that is SOR, doesn’t change the car at all. In effect it’s exactly the same car, whether it’s sold private or by dealer. By buying private, at least I know the real previous owner and a lot can be learnt when chatting with that person as well as visiting their home for viewing the car. During the visit you would build your trust, further full main dealer service history and proper records without anything missing would complete the package. Then would just arrange an inspection by RAC/AA or main dealer, would often also offer extended warranty if required. So in effect you have more in your control and both parties, seller and buyer would save a lot unnecessary costs to middle man.
Yes both parties have to do their due diligence but in that way you save £7k, I think I prefer that. Even buying the extended warranty yourself, you still save big sum.
However do let me know if I missed a potential pitfall?
mali7 said:
Thanks for sharing, interesting.
Few facts: A private Car sale that is SOR, doesn’t change the car at all. In effect it’s exactly the same car, whether it’s sold private or by dealer. By buying private, at least I know the real previous owner and a lot can be learnt when chatting with that person as well as visiting their home for viewing the car. During the visit you would build your trust, further full main dealer service history and proper records without anything missing would complete the package. Then would just arrange an inspection by RAC/AA or main dealer, would often also offer extended warranty if required. So in effect you have more in your control and both parties, seller and buyer would save a lot unnecessary costs to middle man.
Yes both parties have to do their due diligence but in that way you save £7k, I think I prefer that. Even buying the extended warranty yourself, you still save big sum.
However do let me know if I missed a potential pitfall?
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.Few facts: A private Car sale that is SOR, doesn’t change the car at all. In effect it’s exactly the same car, whether it’s sold private or by dealer. By buying private, at least I know the real previous owner and a lot can be learnt when chatting with that person as well as visiting their home for viewing the car. During the visit you would build your trust, further full main dealer service history and proper records without anything missing would complete the package. Then would just arrange an inspection by RAC/AA or main dealer, would often also offer extended warranty if required. So in effect you have more in your control and both parties, seller and buyer would save a lot unnecessary costs to middle man.
Yes both parties have to do their due diligence but in that way you save £7k, I think I prefer that. Even buying the extended warranty yourself, you still save big sum.
However do let me know if I missed a potential pitfall?
davek_964 said:
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.
I used to think that. You need to be careful though.If you look how some are operating these days they are describing themselves as "brokers". They don't own the car and they don't handle the money, they are merely introducing two private clients who then handle the transaction between themselves.
Exactly the way Collecting Cars operates.
Many of these "broker" type operations often spring up out of vehicle storage facilites enabling sales for customers cars they are currently looking after.
They are then paid a fee after the event by the vendor fo the car directly.
davek_964 said:
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.
That's true, but enforcing your "rights" is another matter entirely.will_ said:
davek_964 said:
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.
That's true, but enforcing your "rights" is another matter entirely.ThePackMan said:
will_ said:
davek_964 said:
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.
That's true, but enforcing your "rights" is another matter entirely.The reality is - particularly for the kind of cars discussed in this area - most buyers prefer to buy from a dealer, than from somebody's driveway.
davek_964 said:
ThePackMan said:
will_ said:
davek_964 said:
It might be the same car - but if you buy from a dealer, you have rights that you do not have if you buy privately - regardless of whether it's SOR or not. Which is why many people prefer to buy from a dealer.
That's true, but enforcing your "rights" is another matter entirely.davek_964 said:
The reality is - particularly for the kind of cars discussed in this area - most buyers prefer to buy from a dealer, than from somebody's driveway.
You are absolutely right. However, the faith placed in dealers based on consumer rights is sometimes misplaced, and the "premium" from buying from a dealer doesn't (in reality) get you anything at all if the dealer is financially close to the edge or is prepared to lose the company to escape liability.People also buy from dealers to have easier access to finance or to avoid the hassle of selling a part-exchange.
Ferruccio said:
Dealers selling/buying cars that they own should focus on those areas where they do really add value.
Not build these great mausoleums with lashings of receptionists and waiting areas.
I don’t think many want to pay for that. I’m interested in the car, not the building.
+ 1Not build these great mausoleums with lashings of receptionists and waiting areas.
I don’t think many want to pay for that. I’m interested in the car, not the building.
A friend of mine bought a car from them it was a very stressful process, outstanding finance not cleared on the vehicle, missing V5 document, many promises to sort out which were broken along the way.
It did all get sorted in the end but was a right PITA for him, the car remained on there web site for a further ten months despite being sold I don’t understand why motor traders like this still get away with these practices, baffling beyond belief.
It did all get sorted in the end but was a right PITA for him, the car remained on there web site for a further ten months despite being sold I don’t understand why motor traders like this still get away with these practices, baffling beyond belief.
132 said:
What I don't get are the owners of £1M+ cars that take the risk of leaving their cars on this basis, with rather shaky outfits. Surely they can stomach the spread offered by a main dealer?
This is not directed at GVE, just a general observation.
May just be dodgy people dealing with dodgy people.This is not directed at GVE, just a general observation.
A lot of unsavory dealers out there and their clientele seem very similar...
Edited by Stryke on Tuesday 12th January 21:54
DamanC said:
Purcahsed a Performante through them July last year. Cash. Very much so a SOR dealer.
Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but st happens.
2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Sadly, a common occurrence in my experience.Not particularly helpful leading up to a visit. When doing the deal, more than helpful. Post deal, pretty crap tbh. Car is fine, more than happy with the car, totally sound but the only reason I went with them is they had the car in the spec I wanted - at the time it was the only one in the country and actually after keeping loose tabs on the market another one the same has yet to come up.
Collected the car with a buldge in sidewall (not there when viewed a week before) - Took 3 weeks and a day to sort.
I still do not have my V5(!)
Ordered a cover (didnt come with the car) wasnt ready when collecting, nor the week after or the week after. Was told it was shipped to me etc, recived when tyre was sorted (so was never shipped).
They were busy, pulled a few lies, I get it. Still, not on but s
t happens.2/3 months later, I found the orginal owner via instagram (small world) we talked. Turns out the difference I paid was some 7K different to what they told the owener who of course got 7K less than they should. They even went to the effort of forgeing the sale recipt with the 7K difference. Not only is that not on im pretty sure there is probably some law broken there too and if they would go that far to fraudulently dupe someone for "just" 7K it makes you wonder what else they would do.
Edited by DamanC on Thursday 7th January 22:56
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