Katie Price buys Veyron, customises it badly
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LongLiveTazio said:
Step 1: rip out 14-speaker professionally developed Harmon Kardon hifi from Range Rover
Step 2: replace with rubbish with no idea what you are doing acoustically
Step 3: charge customer £6.5k
Step 4: declare it rubbish and say it needs more work
What makes the OEM system 'professionally developed' and yet aftermarket parts not 'professionally developed'? Also, what makes you think that the installer would have 'no idea what they are doing acoustically'?Step 2: replace with rubbish with no idea what you are doing acoustically
Step 3: charge customer £6.5k
Step 4: declare it rubbish and say it needs more work
mrmr96 said:
What makes the OEM system 'professionally developed' and yet aftermarket parts not 'professionally developed'? Also, what makes you think that the installer would have 'no idea what they are doing acoustically'?
Because companies like HK, B&O, Naim, B&W, etc. have dedicated sound engineers that make systems specifically for each model their speakers are fitted to. Good audio in cars is notoriously hard because of the acoustic challenges they present. Chucking money at something doesn't mean you get something that is better, or better-balanced. Proof of the pudding being that despite £6.5k of parts it 'sounds crap'. The level of sophistication in terms of processing between HK and JL Audio will be, to put it mildly, a huge gaping chasm. Aviz said:
Gilmore said:
1 CEO now belongs on a Peugeot 205 though according to a numberplate checker.
Not really a soft landing from his bubble ey?
It's on an S500 Merc according to conestion charge website. The most reliable I've found !Not really a soft landing from his bubble ey?
Edited by Aviz on Saturday 30th July 14:05
LongLiveTazio said:
Because companies like HK, B&O, Naim, B&W, etc. have dedicated sound engineers that make systems specifically for each model their speakers are fitted to.
The level of sophistication in terms of processing between HK and JL Audio will be, to put it mildly, a huge gaping chasm.
That must be why all 'premium' branded audio systems I've head so far in cars are OK' ish, but in most cases hardly better than the standard-fit they replace and nothing like one would expect for the price. The level of sophistication in terms of processing between HK and JL Audio will be, to put it mildly, a huge gaping chasm.
Moreover, the level of engineering and componentry in for instance an OE Mark Levinson, or Burmester (or whatever) in- car system is nothing like you'd expect given what their home audio systems are like.
The level of sophistication in terms of component quality and engineering between a Mark Levinson system in a Lexus and aftermarket components from the likes of DLS, Genesis, Görlich/Micro Precision and even the high end head unit, processing and amplification components from Alpine/Pioneer is, to put it mildly, a huge gaping chasm.
The fact that most aftermarket installs sound cr*p sas more to do with the installers, and the held belief of both customers and themselves that more = better. A simple chip amp with a decently developed power supply and two simple paper-coned wideband speakers directly driven from the amp with no crossover, aided by a pair of supertweeters and a sinle, half decent sub, all with active EQ from the headunit, would blow all of the above into the weeds if correctly developed & installed.
I didn't say aftermarket systems weren't good, merely that the OEM systems are custom designed for that car. When you're talking about Lexicon knowledge you can make average-quality speakers sound a lot better because professional sound engineers have a much clearer understanding of how to extract potential from a system, even if that system isn't the best. It's not economical for an OEM system to cost the moon, LR certainly won't pay HK £6.5k for the system as fitted to a £55k car! Hence also why I specified it's about the installer knowing what they're doing, a bunch of good components can be completely ruined by being mismatched or improperly set up.
Ehm, garbage in - garbage out; a chain is as strong as its weakest link etc. You can't make average front ends, amps, speakers sound much better - you can surely make excellent components sound cr*p.
In my humble opinion, some perceived 'high end' audio brands are walking on shaky ground wh*ring their name to the OEM car market where stuff needs to cost pence rather than pounds. Not to mention the strange pencheant in the car industry for bloated bass that completely overwhelms the frequency ranges where actual music tends to happen as soon as you turn their systems up beyond background level.
I swear the standard fit six speaker set up in my old MINI One was a whole lot more listenable when coupled to an entry-level aftermarket Clarion cd/receiver than the top line JBL optional system in the loaded Cooper S Works I had on loan as a road tester just before I got that.... At least it could play The Prodigy at acceptable levels.
In my humble opinion, some perceived 'high end' audio brands are walking on shaky ground wh*ring their name to the OEM car market where stuff needs to cost pence rather than pounds. Not to mention the strange pencheant in the car industry for bloated bass that completely overwhelms the frequency ranges where actual music tends to happen as soon as you turn their systems up beyond background level.
I swear the standard fit six speaker set up in my old MINI One was a whole lot more listenable when coupled to an entry-level aftermarket Clarion cd/receiver than the top line JBL optional system in the loaded Cooper S Works I had on loan as a road tester just before I got that.... At least it could play The Prodigy at acceptable levels.
There are a lot of knockers on this thread 
I have to say that I am not her biggest fan, but at the same time she has made her money legally, and is no worse than many footballers and unlike footballers has some degree of business sense. on the basis of that if she can make money out of her fan base I have no problem with that (I just won't be contributing to that wealth).
As for the Jordan / Khan relationship - a business built on excess, tasteless bodywork modifications, I can't possibly see what they have in common
I have to say that I am not her biggest fan, but at the same time she has made her money legally, and is no worse than many footballers and unlike footballers has some degree of business sense. on the basis of that if she can make money out of her fan base I have no problem with that (I just won't be contributing to that wealth).
As for the Jordan / Khan relationship - a business built on excess, tasteless bodywork modifications, I can't possibly see what they have in common
Court Jester said:
There are a lot of knockers on this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU&fea...Ha!
LongLiveTazio said:
Step 1: rip out 14-speaker professionally developed Harmon Kardon hifi from Range Rover
Step 2: replace with rubbish with no idea what you are doing acoustically
Step 3: charge customer £6.5k
Step 4: declare it rubbish and say it needs more work
Step 1: Rip out all the crap put in by Harmon Kardon Step 2: replace with rubbish with no idea what you are doing acoustically
Step 3: charge customer £6.5k
Step 4: declare it rubbish and say it needs more work
Step 2: Replaced with speakers far superior.
My old JL ZR's sound better than any Harmon Kardon In car speakers, end of. I used to compete in SQ with IASCA, now im running with a set of Focal beryllium components, they bring tears to my ears.
Edited by applesauce on Friday 5th August 11:55
Edited by applesauce on Friday 5th August 11:56
Ashley111. Slight change of topic here, but I see to remember a thread (subsequently deleted) dating back a few years where we had a "discussion" over the respective merits of the owner/family behind Project Kahn. You still maintain he came by his (initial) fortune from legitimate means do you ?
Amazing anyone is taking this seriously, whether its Jordan buying a Veyron, or Kahn turning down £1.whatever million for F1.
Total and utter crap. Sure they both loved the publicity - lets face it one would go to the opening of an envelope and the other would chav-up the same envelope with a tasteless go faster kit.
Total and utter crap. Sure they both loved the publicity - lets face it one would go to the opening of an envelope and the other would chav-up the same envelope with a tasteless go faster kit.
DeltaOne said:
Amazing anyone is taking this seriously, whether its Jordan buying a Veyron, or Kahn turning down £1.whatever million for F1.
Total and utter crap. Sure they both loved the publicity - lets face it one would go to the opening of an envelope and the other would chav-up the same envelope with a tasteless go faster kit.
Total and utter crap. Sure they both loved the publicity - lets face it one would go to the opening of an envelope and the other would chav-up the same envelope with a tasteless go faster kit.
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