Help pick a Supercar - £120k budget
Discussion
Zippee said:
964Cup said:
720s coupe. This one: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307159...
Was mine. Is perfect. They have room to move on the price...
That is a lovely car.... Was mine. Is perfect. They have room to move on the price...
If you've not seen it, Dr Interceptor, who appears to be on a mission to own every V8 performance car ever made, has a really good readers' car thread including some comparison of his Mac 570GT and Corvette C8 here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
If GM decide to give us the Vette Z06, that might almost come in new at around your budget.
If GM decide to give us the Vette Z06, that might almost come in new at around your budget.
samoht said:
If you've not seen it, Dr Interceptor, who appears to be on a mission to own every V8 performance car ever made, has a really good readers' car thread including some comparison of his Mac 570GT and Corvette C8 here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
If GM decide to give us the Vette Z06, that might almost come in new at around your budget.
A good thread taIf GM decide to give us the Vette Z06, that might almost come in new at around your budget.
mmarksx19 said:
Can’t recommend McLaren enough. Having owned a 720 coupe and a 650 spider, nothing comes close at the price point.
As an aside, McLaren Leeds are currently offering 2 years warranty on all their approved used cars so piece of mind if you go down that route.
I am there on Wednesday getting my car servicedAs an aside, McLaren Leeds are currently offering 2 years warranty on all their approved used cars so piece of mind if you go down that route.
mmarksx19 said:
Can’t recommend McLaren enough. Having owned a 720 coupe and a 650 spider, nothing comes close at the price point.
As an aside, McLaren Leeds are currently offering 2 years warranty on all their approved used cars so piece of mind if you go down that route.
That's not bad tbh, would make you consider a purchase. As an aside, McLaren Leeds are currently offering 2 years warranty on all their approved used cars so piece of mind if you go down that route.
Sounds like you've made your mind up Chris can not go wrong with a 991.2 GT3. I'd look at 458 too if you want a supercar. I think you'd love it if you can put up with all the attention and also its a surprisingly big/wide car - feels like a huge go kart. Prices do seem to be tanking across the board but I've noticed 458 have held their values very well 
IMI A said:
Sounds like you've made your mind up Chris can not go wrong with a 991.2 GT3. I'd look at 458 too if you want a supercar. I think you'd love it if you can put up with all the attention and also its a surprisingly big/wide car - feels like a huge go kart. Prices do seem to be tanking across the board but I've noticed 458 have held their values very well
458 would be fantastic if affordable :-) watching with interest!One of the GT3's I'm watching has dropped 4k since the thread started, and I've been very surprised with how "cheap" the 570S and 650 are, prices slipping for sure.
A golden time for motoring enthusiasts at present that's certain.
Hi there
So a little background I own a 458, 600 LT Spider, 360 manual and a few other sports cars. In the last 12 months I've also owned a 991.1 GT3 and Exige 410.
My advice to the OP would be following:
991.1 GT3 - Avoid unless mega cheap, engine warranties are up next year, but you can extend cover with Porsche, about £1300ish per year and its good warranty. Having driven the 991.2 GT3 also the latter is a far more accomplished car with no engine worries but it also hides speed more and as such feels less fun on the road, but that might be your thing.
991.2 GT3 - Not as fun at legal speeds as gen1 car but less worries and they for sure will be 120k area over Winter.
Ferrari 458 Italia - Owned mine now for 5 years, as a road fun supercar you cannot beat it as it delivers so much fun and feel without actually getting you into too much trouble, I will often think I am absolutely going crazy fast, look down and be doing 70-80mph, so its safe for my license, it also feels mega fast due to short gearing and instant NA hit and torque, easily one of the very best engines out of Ferrari, the powerband literally pulls hard from 2000rpm right upto 9000rpm limit, but you also never feel need to chase redline due to torque which means on a fun drive out I find myself using gears 1-5 even within speed limits due to short gearing and fun factor, gearbox is mega fast and sharp I never drive the 458 and want for more performance or faster gear shifts. The car has an up on its toes feeling, it will slide around at will in SCT OFF mode and has impeccable balance but you can also be very fast and neat. On track it was as quick as my 991.1 GT3 but a lot more fun to drive, hence for me I owned the GT3 for a year, the 458 has survived five years by comparison, it is far more an event to drive. GT3 sounds marginally better but mine did have a full IPE system in many ways the 458 is the perfect British supercar, fun at legal speeds, a huge front boot and room behind the seats, me and my Mrs toured Scotland for 10 days in the 458 and it had enough luggage capacity even for a women. Anyway in short everyone who has the ability, should own a 458 having driven most the Ferrari range the 458 really gets the senses tingling, everyone raves about the noise but for me its about the fun factor and feel of the 458, compared to the 488 and F8 which to me felt boring to drive by comparison, too accomplished. Don't bother with warranty either, it is pretty useless just keep money aside. Servicing is around £1000 a year with Ferrari. Done 15,000 miles in my 458, had minor corrosion issues and a gearbox oil leak which required a rebuild at Ferrari, this is a 2014 458 by the way, so all years can have issues. Easy to daily!
570S - I own a 600 LT Spider I actually prefer it over my 458 it is so good, not as good at fun factor at legal speeds as it has a far more GT3 feel to it where it feels like it claws into the road for grip and as such is mega planted, if you can stretch to a 600 LT do it, for me its one of the very best supercars on the market sub 150k, maybe even 200k, full of feel, fun and rawness. Anyway 570S a real good example within budget and a great machine, don't be put of by reliability, my 458 has been more unreliable than my 600 so just buy on good condition and maybe get a McLaren warranty which is very good and worth hanging, so yeah 570S is the real star in your budget as its also so many cars in one and luggage space is decent and an easy car to daily, won't feel as quick as 458 but the 570S is actually a faster car, 600 more so.
720S - Not for me, but go drive one we all like different things and what most people love about them the hydraulic suspension is for me what I dislike but they are just about in budget so maybe worth checking out and within your budget easily the fastest car for the money, but you'd be at bottom of market and its no secret that 720's have their issues, so I'd personally steer clear if sticking to budget.
If I were you I'd be test driving a 991.2 GT3 PDK, Ferrari 458 Italia and a McLaren 570S they just seem the most suited to your requirements, all three are fine cars and probably all as reliable as each other, value wise the Porsche and Ferrari will look after you, the 570S is an unknown as the McLaren sport series really hit bottom a few months ago and have since held their ground whilst other marques continue to plummet, no doubt due to many people realising McLaren with sport series are currently one of the best value proposition supercars in the used market on sale today and the reliability in my experience is no worse than Ferrari or Porsche and McLaren extended warranty is better than Ferrari's equivalent and nearly as good as Porsches.
Such a great position to be in and I wish you luck, I personally would be going for 458 I think, it truly is an amazing supercar that can be driven everyday and never gets tiring or boring, it is so much fun and spec is key, as much carbon on interior and ideally bucket seats.
Tracking McLarens and Ferrari's can get expensive, so if your track day hobby is going to be more than 3 track days per year, I'd be going Porsche they are just more at home on track and track miles in a Porsche cost far less than they do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but if its mainly road miles then its between McLaren and Ferrari for me, far more an event on road than Porsche, far more fun and so addictive, also McLarens if your planning on long road trips and big motorway miles I often see 35-40mpg in my 600 LT. My 458 does more or less half at around 25mpg, my 991.1 GT3 was around 26mpg, so big road trips, touring Europe McLaren will save you thousands in fuel during ownership if your gonna drive it a lot, of course on track my 600 LT returns 5mpg, so thirsty when pushing on but great when cruising.
So a little background I own a 458, 600 LT Spider, 360 manual and a few other sports cars. In the last 12 months I've also owned a 991.1 GT3 and Exige 410.
My advice to the OP would be following:
991.1 GT3 - Avoid unless mega cheap, engine warranties are up next year, but you can extend cover with Porsche, about £1300ish per year and its good warranty. Having driven the 991.2 GT3 also the latter is a far more accomplished car with no engine worries but it also hides speed more and as such feels less fun on the road, but that might be your thing.
991.2 GT3 - Not as fun at legal speeds as gen1 car but less worries and they for sure will be 120k area over Winter.
Ferrari 458 Italia - Owned mine now for 5 years, as a road fun supercar you cannot beat it as it delivers so much fun and feel without actually getting you into too much trouble, I will often think I am absolutely going crazy fast, look down and be doing 70-80mph, so its safe for my license, it also feels mega fast due to short gearing and instant NA hit and torque, easily one of the very best engines out of Ferrari, the powerband literally pulls hard from 2000rpm right upto 9000rpm limit, but you also never feel need to chase redline due to torque which means on a fun drive out I find myself using gears 1-5 even within speed limits due to short gearing and fun factor, gearbox is mega fast and sharp I never drive the 458 and want for more performance or faster gear shifts. The car has an up on its toes feeling, it will slide around at will in SCT OFF mode and has impeccable balance but you can also be very fast and neat. On track it was as quick as my 991.1 GT3 but a lot more fun to drive, hence for me I owned the GT3 for a year, the 458 has survived five years by comparison, it is far more an event to drive. GT3 sounds marginally better but mine did have a full IPE system in many ways the 458 is the perfect British supercar, fun at legal speeds, a huge front boot and room behind the seats, me and my Mrs toured Scotland for 10 days in the 458 and it had enough luggage capacity even for a women. Anyway in short everyone who has the ability, should own a 458 having driven most the Ferrari range the 458 really gets the senses tingling, everyone raves about the noise but for me its about the fun factor and feel of the 458, compared to the 488 and F8 which to me felt boring to drive by comparison, too accomplished. Don't bother with warranty either, it is pretty useless just keep money aside. Servicing is around £1000 a year with Ferrari. Done 15,000 miles in my 458, had minor corrosion issues and a gearbox oil leak which required a rebuild at Ferrari, this is a 2014 458 by the way, so all years can have issues. Easy to daily!
570S - I own a 600 LT Spider I actually prefer it over my 458 it is so good, not as good at fun factor at legal speeds as it has a far more GT3 feel to it where it feels like it claws into the road for grip and as such is mega planted, if you can stretch to a 600 LT do it, for me its one of the very best supercars on the market sub 150k, maybe even 200k, full of feel, fun and rawness. Anyway 570S a real good example within budget and a great machine, don't be put of by reliability, my 458 has been more unreliable than my 600 so just buy on good condition and maybe get a McLaren warranty which is very good and worth hanging, so yeah 570S is the real star in your budget as its also so many cars in one and luggage space is decent and an easy car to daily, won't feel as quick as 458 but the 570S is actually a faster car, 600 more so.
720S - Not for me, but go drive one we all like different things and what most people love about them the hydraulic suspension is for me what I dislike but they are just about in budget so maybe worth checking out and within your budget easily the fastest car for the money, but you'd be at bottom of market and its no secret that 720's have their issues, so I'd personally steer clear if sticking to budget.
If I were you I'd be test driving a 991.2 GT3 PDK, Ferrari 458 Italia and a McLaren 570S they just seem the most suited to your requirements, all three are fine cars and probably all as reliable as each other, value wise the Porsche and Ferrari will look after you, the 570S is an unknown as the McLaren sport series really hit bottom a few months ago and have since held their ground whilst other marques continue to plummet, no doubt due to many people realising McLaren with sport series are currently one of the best value proposition supercars in the used market on sale today and the reliability in my experience is no worse than Ferrari or Porsche and McLaren extended warranty is better than Ferrari's equivalent and nearly as good as Porsches.
Such a great position to be in and I wish you luck, I personally would be going for 458 I think, it truly is an amazing supercar that can be driven everyday and never gets tiring or boring, it is so much fun and spec is key, as much carbon on interior and ideally bucket seats.
Tracking McLarens and Ferrari's can get expensive, so if your track day hobby is going to be more than 3 track days per year, I'd be going Porsche they are just more at home on track and track miles in a Porsche cost far less than they do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but if its mainly road miles then its between McLaren and Ferrari for me, far more an event on road than Porsche, far more fun and so addictive, also McLarens if your planning on long road trips and big motorway miles I often see 35-40mpg in my 600 LT. My 458 does more or less half at around 25mpg, my 991.1 GT3 was around 26mpg, so big road trips, touring Europe McLaren will save you thousands in fuel during ownership if your gonna drive it a lot, of course on track my 600 LT returns 5mpg, so thirsty when pushing on but great when cruising.
Edited by Gibbo205 on Tuesday 26th September 10:38
Gibbo205 said:
Hi there
So a little background I own a 458, 600 LT Spider, 360 manual and a few other sports cars. In the last 12 months I've also owned a 991.1 GT3 and Exige 410.
My advice to the OP would be following:
991.1 GT3 - Avoid unless mega cheap, engine warranties are up next year, but you can extend cover with Porsche, about £1300ish per year and its good warranty. Having driven the 991.2 GT3 also the latter is a far more accomplished car with no engine worries but it also hides speed more and as such feels less fun on the road, but that might be your thing.
991.2 GT3 - Not as fun at legal speeds as gen1 car but less worries and they for sure will be 120k area over Winter.
Ferrari 458 Italia - Owned mine now for 5 years, as a road fun supercar you cannot beat it as it delivers so much fun and feel without actually getting you into too much trouble, I will often think I am absolutely going crazy fast, look down and be doing 70-80mph, so its safe for my license, it also feels mega fast due to short gearing and instant NA hit and torque, easily one of the very best engines out of Ferrari, the powerband literally pulls hard from 2000rpm right upto 9000rpm limit, but you also never feel need to chase redline due to torque which means on a fun drive out I find myself using gears 1-5 even within speed limits due to short gearing and fun factor, gearbox is mega fast and sharp I never drive the 458 and want for more performance or faster gear shifts. The car has an up on its toes feeling, it will slide around at will in SCT OFF mode and has impeccable balance but you can also be very fast and neat. On track it was as quick as my 991.1 GT3 but a lot more fun to drive, hence for me I owned the GT3 for a year, the 458 has survived five years by comparison, it is far more an event to drive. GT3 sounds marginally better but mine did have a full IPE system in many ways the 458 is the perfect British supercar, fun at legal speeds, a huge front boot and room behind the seats, me and my Mrs toured Scotland for 10 days in the 458 and it had enough luggage capacity even for a women. Anyway in short everyone who has the ability, should own a 458 having driven most the Ferrari range the 458 really gets the senses tingling, everyone raves about the noise but for me its about the fun factor and feel of the 458, compared to the 488 and F8 which to me felt boring to drive by comparison, too accomplished. Don't bother with warranty either, it is pretty useless just keep money aside. Servicing is around £1000 a year with Ferrari. Done 15,000 miles in my 458, had minor corrosion issues and a gearbox oil leak which required a rebuild at Ferrari, this is a 2014 458 by the way, so all years can have issues. Easy to daily!
570S - I own a 600 LT Spider I actually prefer it over my 458 it is so good, not as good at fun factor at legal speeds as it has a far more GT3 feel to it where it feels like it claws into the road for grip and as such is mega planted, if you can stretch to a 600 LT do it, for me its one of the very best supercars on the market sub 150k, maybe even 200k, full of feel, fun and rawness. Anyway 570S a real good example within budget and a great machine, don't be put of by reliability, my 458 has been more unreliable than my 600 so just buy on good condition and maybe get a McLaren warranty which is very good and worth hanging, so yeah 570S is the real star in your budget as its also so many cars in one and luggage space is decent and an easy car to daily, won't feel as quick as 458 but the 570S is actually a faster car, 600 more so.
720S - Not for me, but go drive one we all like different things and what most people love about them the hydraulic suspension is for me what I dislike but they are just about in budget so maybe worth checking out and within your budget easily the fastest car for the money, but you'd be at bottom of market and its no secret that 720's have their issues, so I'd personally steer clear if sticking to budget.
If I were you I'd be test driving a 991.2 GT3 PDK, Ferrari 458 Italia and a McLaren 570S they just seem the most suited to your requirements, all three are fine cars and probably all as reliable as each other, value wise the Porsche and Ferrari will look after you, the 570S is an unknown as the McLaren sport series really hit bottom a few months ago and have since held their ground whilst other marques continue to plummet, no doubt due to many people realising McLaren with sport series are currently one of the best value proposition supercars in the used market on sale today and the reliability in my experience is no worse than Ferrari or Porsche and McLaren extended warranty is better than Ferrari's equivalent and nearly as good as Porsches.
Such a great position to be in and I wish you luck, I personally would be going for 458 I think, it truly is an amazing supercar that can be driven everyday and never gets tiring or boring, it is so much fun and spec is key, as much carbon on interior and ideally bucket seats.
Tracking McLarens and Ferrari's can get expensive, so if your track day hobby is going to be more than 3 track days per year, I'd be going Porsche they are just more at home on track and track miles in a Porsche cost far less than they do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but if its mainly road miles then its between McLaren and Ferrari for me, far more an event on road than Porsche, far more fun and so addictive, also McLarens if your planning on long road trips and big motorway miles I often see 35-40mpg in my 600 LT. My 458 does more or less half at around 25mpg, my 991.1 GT3 was around 26mpg, so big road trips, touring Europe McLaren will save you thousands in fuel during ownership if your gonna drive it a lot, of course on track my 600 LT returns 5mpg, so thirsty when pushing on but great when cruising.
Brilliant summary very helpful thanks, probably about right on the money where my mind is after a week or two thinking. In addition to the 570S have seen two 650S on budget as well. So a little background I own a 458, 600 LT Spider, 360 manual and a few other sports cars. In the last 12 months I've also owned a 991.1 GT3 and Exige 410.
My advice to the OP would be following:
991.1 GT3 - Avoid unless mega cheap, engine warranties are up next year, but you can extend cover with Porsche, about £1300ish per year and its good warranty. Having driven the 991.2 GT3 also the latter is a far more accomplished car with no engine worries but it also hides speed more and as such feels less fun on the road, but that might be your thing.
991.2 GT3 - Not as fun at legal speeds as gen1 car but less worries and they for sure will be 120k area over Winter.
Ferrari 458 Italia - Owned mine now for 5 years, as a road fun supercar you cannot beat it as it delivers so much fun and feel without actually getting you into too much trouble, I will often think I am absolutely going crazy fast, look down and be doing 70-80mph, so its safe for my license, it also feels mega fast due to short gearing and instant NA hit and torque, easily one of the very best engines out of Ferrari, the powerband literally pulls hard from 2000rpm right upto 9000rpm limit, but you also never feel need to chase redline due to torque which means on a fun drive out I find myself using gears 1-5 even within speed limits due to short gearing and fun factor, gearbox is mega fast and sharp I never drive the 458 and want for more performance or faster gear shifts. The car has an up on its toes feeling, it will slide around at will in SCT OFF mode and has impeccable balance but you can also be very fast and neat. On track it was as quick as my 991.1 GT3 but a lot more fun to drive, hence for me I owned the GT3 for a year, the 458 has survived five years by comparison, it is far more an event to drive. GT3 sounds marginally better but mine did have a full IPE system in many ways the 458 is the perfect British supercar, fun at legal speeds, a huge front boot and room behind the seats, me and my Mrs toured Scotland for 10 days in the 458 and it had enough luggage capacity even for a women. Anyway in short everyone who has the ability, should own a 458 having driven most the Ferrari range the 458 really gets the senses tingling, everyone raves about the noise but for me its about the fun factor and feel of the 458, compared to the 488 and F8 which to me felt boring to drive by comparison, too accomplished. Don't bother with warranty either, it is pretty useless just keep money aside. Servicing is around £1000 a year with Ferrari. Done 15,000 miles in my 458, had minor corrosion issues and a gearbox oil leak which required a rebuild at Ferrari, this is a 2014 458 by the way, so all years can have issues. Easy to daily!
570S - I own a 600 LT Spider I actually prefer it over my 458 it is so good, not as good at fun factor at legal speeds as it has a far more GT3 feel to it where it feels like it claws into the road for grip and as such is mega planted, if you can stretch to a 600 LT do it, for me its one of the very best supercars on the market sub 150k, maybe even 200k, full of feel, fun and rawness. Anyway 570S a real good example within budget and a great machine, don't be put of by reliability, my 458 has been more unreliable than my 600 so just buy on good condition and maybe get a McLaren warranty which is very good and worth hanging, so yeah 570S is the real star in your budget as its also so many cars in one and luggage space is decent and an easy car to daily, won't feel as quick as 458 but the 570S is actually a faster car, 600 more so.
720S - Not for me, but go drive one we all like different things and what most people love about them the hydraulic suspension is for me what I dislike but they are just about in budget so maybe worth checking out and within your budget easily the fastest car for the money, but you'd be at bottom of market and its no secret that 720's have their issues, so I'd personally steer clear if sticking to budget.
If I were you I'd be test driving a 991.2 GT3 PDK, Ferrari 458 Italia and a McLaren 570S they just seem the most suited to your requirements, all three are fine cars and probably all as reliable as each other, value wise the Porsche and Ferrari will look after you, the 570S is an unknown as the McLaren sport series really hit bottom a few months ago and have since held their ground whilst other marques continue to plummet, no doubt due to many people realising McLaren with sport series are currently one of the best value proposition supercars in the used market on sale today and the reliability in my experience is no worse than Ferrari or Porsche and McLaren extended warranty is better than Ferrari's equivalent and nearly as good as Porsches.
Such a great position to be in and I wish you luck, I personally would be going for 458 I think, it truly is an amazing supercar that can be driven everyday and never gets tiring or boring, it is so much fun and spec is key, as much carbon on interior and ideally bucket seats.
Tracking McLarens and Ferrari's can get expensive, so if your track day hobby is going to be more than 3 track days per year, I'd be going Porsche they are just more at home on track and track miles in a Porsche cost far less than they do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but if its mainly road miles then its between McLaren and Ferrari for me, far more an event on road than Porsche, far more fun and so addictive, also McLarens if your planning on long road trips and big motorway miles I often see 35-40mpg in my 600 LT. My 458 does more or less half at around 25mpg, my 991.1 GT3 was around 26mpg, so big road trips, touring Europe McLaren will save you thousands in fuel during ownership if your gonna drive it a lot, of course on track my 600 LT returns 5mpg, so thirsty when pushing on but great when cruising.
Edited by Gibbo205 on Tuesday 26th September 10:38
Had quotes for insurance on the 3 mentioned and all very similar so no worries there.
200Plus Club said:
Brilliant summary very helpful thanks, probably about right on the money where my mind is after a week or two thinking. In addition to the 570S have seen two 650S on budget as well.
Had quotes for insurance on the 3 mentioned and all very similar so no worries there.
Again go drive them, for me a 570S is more a drivers car than a 650S, it is a very personal thing I am just not fond of how the hydraulic suspension McLarens feel to drive, but on flip side they are superbly comfortable, in fact the most comfortable supercar in existence I'd say, but that by comparison a 570S, even a 600 LT rides great, far better than a GT3 anyway and the 458 has a decent ride as well but has a very much old school feel, and it will slide around like an E46 M3 if you so wish it the chassis is so fun on 458.Had quotes for insurance on the 3 mentioned and all very similar so no worries there.
Every car your considering is amazing, there is no bad choice!
If the OP wants the obvious added bonus and interaction of a manual gearbox then there really is only one contemporary choice being the 991.2 GT3 which has one of Porsches finest gearboxes also benefitting from a flatshift option and mechanical diff as opposed to the e diff on the PDK. No coincidence there are far fewer manuals than PDKs for sale despite parity of numbers when new.
Having owned and run both a 991.1 GT3 PDK and 991.2 GT3 manual from new (over 5 years) the gen 2 car is the better road car imo and not just because of its far superior effectively cup car engine which has much less power drop and torque drop off approaching the 9k red line than the gen 1 where in most cases it is futile hanging on to the revs approaching the red line. The car is easily worth the c30% premium over the gen 1 GT3 and you are also getting a car which is approx half the age.
Whilst the 458 is undoubtedly a great overall package despite recent price drops it is still relatively expensive even at the £120ks for an oldish car with mileage.
As usual it would be best to spend some seat time in a few cars to see which one the OP prefers before buying.
Having owned and run both a 991.1 GT3 PDK and 991.2 GT3 manual from new (over 5 years) the gen 2 car is the better road car imo and not just because of its far superior effectively cup car engine which has much less power drop and torque drop off approaching the 9k red line than the gen 1 where in most cases it is futile hanging on to the revs approaching the red line. The car is easily worth the c30% premium over the gen 1 GT3 and you are also getting a car which is approx half the age.
Whilst the 458 is undoubtedly a great overall package despite recent price drops it is still relatively expensive even at the £120ks for an oldish car with mileage.
As usual it would be best to spend some seat time in a few cars to see which one the OP prefers before buying.
Gibbo205 said:
200Plus Club said:
Brilliant summary very helpful thanks, probably about right on the money where my mind is after a week or two thinking. In addition to the 570S have seen two 650S on budget as well.
Had quotes for insurance on the 3 mentioned and all very similar so no worries there.
Again go drive them, for me a 570S is more a drivers car than a 650S, it is a very personal thing I am just not fond of how the hydraulic suspension McLarens feel to drive, but on flip side they are superbly comfortable, in fact the most comfortable supercar in existence I'd say, but that by comparison a 570S, even a 600 LT rides great, far better than a GT3 anyway and the 458 has a decent ride as well but has a very much old school feel, and it will slide around like an E46 M3 if you so wish it the chassis is so fun on 458.Had quotes for insurance on the 3 mentioned and all very similar so no worries there.
Every car your considering is amazing, there is no bad choice!
The only other cars I would potentially look at require more single minded dedication. The Superformance GT40, it is the most exhilarating adrenalin rush I have ever driven and a full on Le Mans experience. Might be a bit of a long shot to find one at £120k but as winter approaches you might get lucky. And an Exige 430CUP but you need to appreciate it for what it is and many can't do that. I don't think Gibbo mentioned his 410 in comparison?
Bispal said:
Gibbo spot on as usual, a real owners perspective and hard to argue with. I would go 650s over 570s or go that bit extra to 600LT if you can. 650s is just a bit more reliable. 570s feels more alive and Lotus like at lower speeds, the 650s comes alive at higher speeds and then surpasses the 570s. I prefer the looks of the 650s over the 570s and for me that's the only deciding factor and its subjective. I don't think anyone, even a die hard McLaren advocate like myself, can argue against a 458, they are lovely to drive. Comes down to which you prefer.
The only other cars I would potentially look at require more single minded dedication. The Superformance GT40, it is the most exhilarating adrenalin rush I have ever driven and a full on Le Mans experience. Might be a bit of a long shot to find one at £120k but as winter approaches you might get lucky. And an Exige 430CUP but you need to appreciate it for what it is and many can't do that. I don't think Gibbo mentioned his 410 in comparison?
My 410 was a brilliant car but I don't think it is what the OP is looking for and as good as they are, they are no supercar, though same can be said for GT3 as well. A properly well setup and well driven 410 will give a GT3 a run for its money on track and also cost far less to track, but to drive a 410 often on the road takes dedication and as standard tyre fitment is Cup 2's and this goes for any car coming standard on Cup 2's they are bloody terrible on the road in Winter months, no matter what any hero might say and as good as the Cup 2 now is that tyre has no place on a road car during Winter months, it made driving my Exige quite miserable, however a spare set of wheels shod in PS4S or even another Summer tyre is transformative and I'd recommend anyone piloting a sports/supercar all year round that has Cup 2's has another set of wheels with Summer tyres or even Winter tyres fitted.The only other cars I would potentially look at require more single minded dedication. The Superformance GT40, it is the most exhilarating adrenalin rush I have ever driven and a full on Le Mans experience. Might be a bit of a long shot to find one at £120k but as winter approaches you might get lucky. And an Exige 430CUP but you need to appreciate it for what it is and many can't do that. I don't think Gibbo mentioned his 410 in comparison?
The Exige was great, they can and do have supercharger and gearbox issues, so be aware, typically cost 6k to fix both should they go wrong, on track they are mega engaging and work well on b roads too with right tyre. As a more dedicated track experience I found my Caterham 420R far more fun on track and worry free as they can be pounded all day without issue and when they do break they cost Ford Fiesta money to fix or less.
So yeah I did not mention the Exige as I feel it is not really what the OP wants, but a brilliant car none the less.
I've driven 991.2 GT3, 600 LT Spyder and 458. Very tough choice to pick one out of these 3 as they all have pros and cons. FWIW 600 LT quickest on track it would demolish a GT3 on road and track as I know you like the odd track day. A manual 991.2 GT3 lovely and super interactive if a bit firm for road but whisper it I think the PDK a bit better than the manual because the dual clutch for me suits that engine a bit better.
If I could get over the attention though I'd go 458. Maybe a spider if feeling really brave - feel good factor off the scale in the 458 - touring in Europe roof down through Summer would be very special. I'd trust the 458 more than the Mac too in terms of reliability despite the age difference but all these cars super cool IMO. No wrong choice
If I could get over the attention though I'd go 458. Maybe a spider if feeling really brave - feel good factor off the scale in the 458 - touring in Europe roof down through Summer would be very special. I'd trust the 458 more than the Mac too in terms of reliability despite the age difference but all these cars super cool IMO. No wrong choice
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