Mo's collection

[Rollcage]

TonyHetherington said:

StuartMcKay said:

DonkeyApple said:

It's an impressive collection but it is very formulaic.

It is very much as if some guy needed to make out he liked cars and went out a couple of weeks ago and bought all the fancy new ones and as many of the old benchmark ones as possible.

This is not the garage of an actual enthusiast, there's no spirit, no character, no passion.

Are you mad? He has a Cobra, 250 GTO, Muira, F40 etc..... but it has 'no spirit, no character, no passion'?????? What would he have needed to have brought for you to say that he is a car 'enthusiast'?

I agree Stuart. What possibly could the guy buy that would turn him into an "actual enthusiast"?

If he had just the 250 Rec, the Aston, Cobra and F40 he would be an "enthusiast", obviously.

The fact he obviously has a huge bank balance and can buy anything he wants shouldnt dilute the class of some of the cars in the collection. Without talking to the owner and getting a feel for his thoughts on owning the cars in question all we see is a load of pictures of some very desirable cars. To draw any other conclusion is impossible.

I don't see anybody in the garage thread throwing around non-enthusiast accusations at andy or BGH (quite the opposite) - the situation is no different apart from they are PH members and thus, obviously, enthusiasts!

[DonkeyApple]

TonyHetherington said:

StuartMcKay said:

DonkeyApple said:

It's an impressive collection but it is very formulaic.

It is very much as if some guy needed to make out he liked cars and went out a couple of weeks ago and bought all the fancy new ones and as many of the old benchmark ones as possible.

This is not the garage of an actual enthusiast, there's no spirit, no character, no passion.

Are you mad? He has a Cobra, 250 GTO, Muira, F40 etc..... but it has 'no spirit, no character, no passion'?????? What would he have needed to have brought for you to say that he is a car 'enthusiast'?

I agree Stuart. What possibly could the guy buy that would turn him into an "actual enthusiast"?

This is not what I am getting at.

I'm sure other people see it as well.

It's difficult to put it into words but I will try.

The cars appear to split into 2 groups. Modern super cars and classic must haves for any collection. It's very sterile, there is genuinely no passion in the collection as a group.

All of the first set look like they were bought on one day a couple of years ago, the older ones even resort to a replica to complete the list and the entire collection strangely fits the garage.

It really does look like someone woke up one morning, had someone draw up a list of what is impressive at the moment and what cars are needed to make it look like a real collection and then picked up the phone and bought them. It's almost like a lottery winner's collection rather than that of the obsessive car lover. It's been done for image not passion.

What I am getting at is that there is not a single 'quirky' car in there. Every serious collector has a number of funny cars, cars that don't seem to fit but are special to the owner. Often these cars aren't even that valuable. You very often find the first car they owned, or one that reminds them of where they came from, do you know what I mean? There is also no depth of years within the collection, it's weighted very heavily to what was in the shops the other year.

So this is exacly why I am saying what I am saying and I hope I've been able to put it into words in a way that is understood.

[TonyHetherington]

I can see where you're going with that. As I was reading it was thinking that my collection would have a 205 GTi, an Escort Cosworth, aswell as the Ferraris, Zondas etc. And I can see your point with that

[caymanred]

teen_cerbera said:

Beefmeister said:

Un-be-frikking-lievable collection!

I'd lose the Chavved up bentley, SLR and CGT, but the rest is stunning.

Love the 250/288/599 GTO collection, though like Mr Evans, its a Series 2 250 GTO which (IMO) isn't as beautiful as the S1.

I'm really nitpicking though!

Yes, you really are , anyone care to put a guestimate on the collections worth?

In head calculation and absolute no research, id say £12m* or there abouts.

• My classic exotica pricing may let me down badly...

i was gonna say why the hell would you drop the CGT?!?! but then i see it was a mistake....dont make one like that again!

[caymanred]

ellis427 said:

Shmee said:

teen_cerbera said:

• Mansory SLR - £350,000
• Cobra - ?
• Reventon - £1,000,000
• Veyron - £1,400,000 (?)
• Carrera GT - £300,000
• Murci SV - £350,000
• Saleen S7 - £450,000
• Ferrari 458 - £200,000
• Ferrari 250 - £8,000,000 upwards?
• Nissan GTR - £100,000
• Audi S8 - £100,000
• Maybach - £200,000
• RR Ghost - £200,000
• Maseratti Granturismo - £100,000
• Custom Porsche Cayenne - £100,000
• Ferrari F40 - £250,000
• Mansory Conti GT - £200,000
• Aston DB5 - £300,000 (?)
• Ferrari 328 - £50,000
• Ferrari 599 GTO £300,000
• Lambo Miura SVJ - £700,000 (based on last week's auction)
• Murci LP640 - £200,000
• MB 300SL - £400,000 (based on last week's auction)
• Some sort of Ford dune basher - No idea

Would of thought a orginial genuine cobra signed by carrol shelby would be worth a huge amount more than that, some of the replica's are getting near that!
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-fo... theres some prices at the bottom, and i bet the one in question is worth more than them!

Edited by ellis427 on Thursday 4th November 17:19

id say f40 more like 350k too

[Streetrod]

traxx said:

that yellow pages guy has a real collection

Edited by traxx on Thursday 4th November 23:26

As wonderful as that collection looks I must admit I have a problem with it. Is this guy buying these cars to create his own museum, in which case then great, or does he actually drive them? If he does drive them then it is likely some of these cars will never get driven because he has so many. As a successful guy I suspect he does not have a lot of spare time which would make things even worse which is a real shame.

Some people I know are "completests", not sure if I spelt that right, which I must admit again I don’t understand. Why buy a potentially bad car just to say you have a complete set? A number of Ferrari and Lambo collections come to mind.

In an ideal world my collection would be a mix of moderns, classics, race cars and hotrods and customs. I would only have enough cars that I could guarantee would see regular road or track time. No garage queens for me.

This is just a personnel opinion of course and I don’t expect everyone to agree, just my two pence worth

[teen_cerbera]

DonkeyApple said:

What I am getting at is that there is not a single 'quirky' car in there. Every serious collector has a number of funny cars, cars that don't seem to fit but are special to the owner. Often these cars aren't even that valuable. You very often find the first car they owned, or one that reminds them of where they came from, do you know what I mean? There is also no depth of years within the collection, it's weighted very heavily to what was in the shops the other year.

Although its a big list of cars, I think a collector buying modernish supercars would definatley own an Enzo, and possibly even an MC12, Koenisegg and Zonda, my opinion is that he doesnt have these cars simply because hes not that fussed on them, rather than he cant afford them

Therefore hes a huge enthusiast, If I had this collection and his obvious wealth, I would create a garage that allowed me to park them all side by side in order of the years they were manufactured. Talking even sillier, id have a huge cicrular underground car park with a central rotating lift that allowed me to park them in a clock formation, again in order of the years they were manufactured

I did look at the old ferrari and thought the front looked more like a 328, its a funny angle for me, I now acknowledge its clearly a 288gto

Edited by teen_cerbera on Friday 5th November 11:49

[Maxeh]

So who do we think had the best collection in the UK?

[teen_cerbera]

Maxeh said:

So who do we think had the best collection in the UK?

Why had? or do you mean has?

[DonkeyApple]

Maxeh said:

So who do we think had the best collection in the UK?

Good question. That depends on what you like I guess.

I would hazard that the best allround collection of automobilia would be Montague.

There are 4 or 5 very serious Ferrari collections here as well. As well as many single marque collections.

My personal taste would be for a collection which included classic race cars from all the eras. Doesn't Bamford have an impressive set?

I would also argue that some of the best collections would only be half a dozen cars where the owner has specifically chosen only the cars that he really loves and at that number uses them regularly. For me, that makes a serious collection.

[Maxeh]

Typo, meant to read "has"!

[AndrewW-G]

The Matsuda collection is equally as impressive as any, it’s a shame that its slowly being reduced in size

I think that "Mo's" garage is quite nice, yes it’s not a museum, but then again its very similar to Ralph Lauren's setup . . . .and a damn sight better than at least one UK 250 GTO owners garage


The thing that gets me about these sorts of threads is that there are several stupidly large / valuable collections that people will never really know about, let alone be allowed a good look at (Bernie E’s collection springs to mind) to the point that I like that there are people who DO share their toys, with those of us with less money

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TonyHetherington said:

I can see where you're going with that. As I was reading it was thinking that my collection would have a 205 GTi, an Escort Cosworth, aswell as the Ferraris, Zondas etc. And I can see your point with that

I completely agree as well.

Look at Jay Kay's collection, having just read TopGear, that is a man with a serious car problem.

Having things like a DS cabriolet, a Merc W124 280 estate, a leggy white 968CS next to things like 16M Scuderias and an Enzo show a true passion, not just the big headliners that everyone expects to see.

The collection, although impressive, is a bit of a "dinner party" showpiece, much like a lot of the colelctions you see from the rich middle eastern guys. Unlikely you'll see them rock up in a Citroen SM or a mercedes 500e.

[Taffymoto]

I don't see how you can criticise a man for buying what he wants. If he doesn't have a passion for RS200's or something similar, why should he buy one?

CLK GTR and F50 missing from that collection IMHO.

[teen_cerbera]

Taffymoto said:

I don't see how you can criticise a man for buying what he wants. If he doesn't have a passion for RS200's or something similar, why should he buy one?

CLK GTR and F50 missing from that collection IMHO.

Ahh yes, add these two with an Enzo, MC12, Zonda & Koenisegg then I guess you could say hes picked them for the sake of it. If he was also a "trend collector" wouldnt he have an SLS in his garage?

Again I totally agree, maybe he doesnt like Fast Fords, MBMW's, AMG's etc, perhaps his passion lays with extravegent super cars.

[ilovevolvo]

I would have to have at least 1 Mclaren F1 in any collection like that...

[SonnyM]

ilovevolvo said:

I would have to have at least 1 Mclaren F1 in any collection like that...

Maybe that's his daily drive? when he's not on his private jet or yacht doing business...

Something odd about the old Bond style Aston - anyone know if it is a special edition?

[SAB888]

The Lamborghini Miura is an SV not SVJ, but it looks like it's possibly the ex Shah of Iran car.

[traxx]

SAB888 said:

The Lamborghini Miura is an SV not SVJ, but it looks like it's possibly the ex Shah of Iran car.

yeah I wondered if it was the same car (it certainly was sold from New Orleans to Bahrain) - one day I will buy that actual car because there is something very special to me about it

Edited by traxx on Friday 5th November 20:26

Edited by traxx on Friday 5th November 20:27

[SAB888]

traxx said:

SAB888 said:

The Lamborghini Miura is an SV not SVJ, but it looks like it's possibly the ex Shah of Iran car.

yeah I wondered if it was the same car (it certainly was sold from New Orleans to Bahrain) - one day I will buy that actual car because there is something very special to me about it

Edited by traxx on Friday 5th November 20:26

Edited by traxx on Friday 5th November 20:27

Traxx, are you sure that's the same car you've posted pics of? The side marker lights and wing mirrors are different (it has some!). The colour appears to be slightly darker as well. I know it's possibly been resprayed and altered as well.