£200K to spend......suggestions on a post card?
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Nice conundrum to have !
My view is you only want 1 car - these ‘you can get 5 amazing cars for the price of 1’ are all well and good, but back on planet earth some of us live in towns and only have a single garage or only have time to run one car etc. Thus of options mentioned :
Ferrari first - 488 GTB is an amazing car, stupendous performance, but they are almost too refined when using on the road in the UK. I have one for a few weeks on loan and did 1000 odd miles, but felt that if there was ever a car i would lose my licence in this was it. You needed to use a lot of the performance to make it feel exciting and using a lot of 660ps is going to get you banged up ! So probably not for me.
430 scuderia - ok it’s not in the first flush of youth and the cabin is a bit tired looking, but it’s is hardcore V8 series car at I suspect close to the bottom of it’s values curve, so of all the options i would imagine the safest bet for your money. It would be my choice i most likely.
F12 - would need to go for an early low spec car to break £200k comfortably (i would not buy one out of the main Ferrari network) and it will depreciate further undoubtedly, however it’s a truely special awesome car and the sense of occasion one gets from a V12 Berlinetta is second to none in my opinion.
GT3 RS 991 gen 1 - personally having owned many GT3s and RSs over the years this would not be a car that tugs at my heart, i am afraid PDK in a predominantly road use just doesn’t excite me. I’d go for a manual GT3 991 gen 2, even if the premium over list is slightly irksome.
GT-R AMG - too big and heavy, also couldn’t get used to the odd driving position which makes the car feel very large and difficult to place on UK roads.
Lamborghini - not my taste
McLaren - LT if available for your budget might tempt me, none of the mainstream models would however.
Just my opinion of course !
My view is you only want 1 car - these ‘you can get 5 amazing cars for the price of 1’ are all well and good, but back on planet earth some of us live in towns and only have a single garage or only have time to run one car etc. Thus of options mentioned :
Ferrari first - 488 GTB is an amazing car, stupendous performance, but they are almost too refined when using on the road in the UK. I have one for a few weeks on loan and did 1000 odd miles, but felt that if there was ever a car i would lose my licence in this was it. You needed to use a lot of the performance to make it feel exciting and using a lot of 660ps is going to get you banged up ! So probably not for me.
430 scuderia - ok it’s not in the first flush of youth and the cabin is a bit tired looking, but it’s is hardcore V8 series car at I suspect close to the bottom of it’s values curve, so of all the options i would imagine the safest bet for your money. It would be my choice i most likely.
F12 - would need to go for an early low spec car to break £200k comfortably (i would not buy one out of the main Ferrari network) and it will depreciate further undoubtedly, however it’s a truely special awesome car and the sense of occasion one gets from a V12 Berlinetta is second to none in my opinion.
GT3 RS 991 gen 1 - personally having owned many GT3s and RSs over the years this would not be a car that tugs at my heart, i am afraid PDK in a predominantly road use just doesn’t excite me. I’d go for a manual GT3 991 gen 2, even if the premium over list is slightly irksome.
GT-R AMG - too big and heavy, also couldn’t get used to the odd driving position which makes the car feel very large and difficult to place on UK roads.
Lamborghini - not my taste
McLaren - LT if available for your budget might tempt me, none of the mainstream models would however.
Just my opinion of course !
seawise said:
Nice conundrum to have!
I'm going to take a look at a 430 Scud tomorrow. I've always stayed away from Ferrari....probably an irrational fear of huge service and maintenance costs. Porsche has always been the relatively safe bet. This is probably my greatest issue with the Scuderia - they're 10 years old! I don't really want to be driving it with the constant worry of something big going "pop". Not being a particular fan of Red Ferrari....this caught my eye. Great spec and slightly more understated in Silver.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I've driven the 991.1 RS around the track and from my perspective it was a step up from the 991.2 GT3 and to be honest, at broadly similar costs (within £20K), I want the RS purely because....it's an RS
My initial thought was a 997.2 GT3 RS and maybe that'll be one for next time. m33ufo said:
I'm going to take a look at a 430 Scud tomorrow. I've always stayed away from Ferrari....probably an irrational fear of huge service and maintenance costs. Porsche has always been the relatively safe bet. This is probably my greatest issue with the Scuderia - they're 10 years old! I don't really want to be driving it with the constant worry of something big going "pop".
Not being a particular fan of Red Ferrari....this caught my eye. Great spec and slightly more understated in Silver.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I've driven the 991.1 RS around the track and from my perspective it was a step up from the 991.2 GT3 and to be honest, at broadly similar costs (within £20K), I want the RS purely because....it's an RS My initial thought was a 997.2 GT3 RS and maybe that'll be one for next time.
If you are that concerned about things going bang then a) have a fund and/or warranty to cover it or b) don't buy the car.Not being a particular fan of Red Ferrari....this caught my eye. Great spec and slightly more understated in Silver.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I've driven the 991.1 RS around the track and from my perspective it was a step up from the 991.2 GT3 and to be honest, at broadly similar costs (within £20K), I want the RS purely because....it's an RS
My initial thought was a 997.2 GT3 RS and maybe that'll be one for next time. Reading your post suggests reliability/running costs are a key priority for you so I'm not convinced a Ferrari is the right car - you want to enjoy driving it, not worrying when the next bill is going to arrive and whether you can afford it.
Supercars break and when they do, they cost a lot - nature of the beast. If reliability is of primary concern, have you considered an Audi R8?
PompeyReece said:
Supercars break and when they do, they cost a lot - nature of the beast. If reliability is of primary concern, have you considered an Audi R8?
Never.....too big, too heavy....not for me. 488....4 year warranty, 7 year service plan so not an issue. My slight concern was with a 10 year old Scud. It's a different ball game. Still, I'm viewing one tomorrow.
I had a 650S so am aware of supercar running costs. Servicing/maintenance costs aren't a problem and again this car was under warranty.
Having just moved back from a Fez to a Porsche , running costs are an issue with an older Ferrari . As to PDK , it is the first non manual Porsche I have bought and I prefer it , as traffic now is a major issue so most time can drive it in Auto ..... the world has changed .
But then as I say Porsche GT cars are not supercars per se , so less of an occasion .
But then as I say Porsche GT cars are not supercars per se , so less of an occasion .
In my 20+ years of ownership of ferrari's I have never had a big issue with maintenance costs. On average £2k-£4k p.a. (use to be 1k or so back way when) but overall I found mine to be very reliable.
The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
355fiorano said:
In my 20+ years of ownership of ferrari's I have never had a big issue with maintenance costs. On average £2k-£4k p.a. (use to be 1k or so back way when) but overall I found mine to be very reliable.
The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
I love my cars, but they do cost more than 2-4K per year (sometimes a lot more) of you include tyres, warranty, stuff that breaks, service etc. The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
MDL111 said:
355fiorano said:
In my 20+ years of ownership of ferrari's I have never had a big issue with maintenance costs. On average £2k-£4k p.a. (use to be 1k or so back way when) but overall I found mine to be very reliable.
The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
I love my cars, but they do cost more than 2-4K per year (sometimes a lot more) of you include tyres, warranty, stuff that breaks, service etc. The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
Edited by andrew on Tuesday 31st July 19:43
andrew said:
MDL111 said:
355fiorano said:
In my 20+ years of ownership of ferrari's I have never had a big issue with maintenance costs. On average £2k-£4k p.a. (use to be 1k or so back way when) but overall I found mine to be very reliable.
The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
I love my cars, but they do cost more than 2-4K per year (sometimes a lot more) of you include tyres, warranty, stuff that breaks, service etc. The Scud is an awesome car. I chose to go CS as I prefer my cars more raw. If I had the money for a Scud I must say that I would need to try a 997 GT3 RS. Although Porsches do nothing for me (I had a 993 2S for 4 years) the 997 RS sounds very special.
It would be interesting to see what you think of the Scud.
Tyres c 2k
Replacement Exhaust and brake pads c 6k
New windshield (stone) c 5k (if I can’t find a cheaper solution tbc)
Warranty c 4K
Insurance c 4K
And so far no service this year - big 60k km one after summer - so that will likely add quite a bit to the above total
I was only factoring in service plus any parts. Not insurance and other non maintenance costs or warranties as my cars our too old for that.
The CS has cost approx £1k to service every year for the last 3 yrs and 6k km since I bought it. Tyres cost another £1k and a new rim another £1k. I will need brake pads soon which will be expensive but overall its been fine.
the 355 and 308 have not really been used much so servicing is every couple of years as I am doing less than 500m per year (yes I know its shameful) as there is just not enough time to fully enjoy them. Both are 600 - £800 service and up to £1800 when I need cambelts from a specialist. the extras can come up but again they rarely go more than an extra £2k. Maybe the new cars from main dealers are more expensive than my older models.
The CS has cost approx £1k to service every year for the last 3 yrs and 6k km since I bought it. Tyres cost another £1k and a new rim another £1k. I will need brake pads soon which will be expensive but overall its been fine.
the 355 and 308 have not really been used much so servicing is every couple of years as I am doing less than 500m per year (yes I know its shameful) as there is just not enough time to fully enjoy them. Both are 600 - £800 service and up to £1800 when I need cambelts from a specialist. the extras can come up but again they rarely go more than an extra £2k. Maybe the new cars from main dealers are more expensive than my older models.
Edited by 355fiorano on Tuesday 31st July 21:24
355fiorano said:
I was only factoring in service plus any parts. Not insurance and other non maintenance costs or warranties as my cars our too old for that.
The CS has cost approx £1k to service every year for the last 3 yrs and 6k km since I bought it. Tyres cost another £1k and a new rim another £1k. I will need brake pads soon which will be expensive but overall its been fine.
the 355 and 308 have not really been used much so servicing is every couple of years as I am doing less than 500m per year (yes I know its shameful) as there is just not enough time to fully enjoy them. Both are 600 - £800 service and up to £1800 when I need cambelts from a specialist. the extras can come up but again they rarely go more than an extra £2k. Maybe the new cars from main dealers are more expensive than my older models.
I know, was just summarizing as I had just thought about it today due to getting the quote for the glass replacement The CS has cost approx £1k to service every year for the last 3 yrs and 6k km since I bought it. Tyres cost another £1k and a new rim another £1k. I will need brake pads soon which will be expensive but overall its been fine.
the 355 and 308 have not really been used much so servicing is every couple of years as I am doing less than 500m per year (yes I know its shameful) as there is just not enough time to fully enjoy them. Both are 600 - £800 service and up to £1800 when I need cambelts from a specialist. the extras can come up but again they rarely go more than an extra £2k. Maybe the new cars from main dealers are more expensive than my older models.
Edited by 355fiorano on Tuesday 31st July 21:24
The difference is probably mileage - my FF has done more than 40k km in 3 years (off the road for 6-9 months of that time), the 355 did more than 20k miles in 2.5 years and the Scud has done 13k km in 9 months (and was off the road for 4 of those due to winter) - so they get driven a lot.
On the upside the FF only has had rear brake pads and maybe a few electrical “non-issues “ plus a battery apart from warranty cost from memory.
m33ufo said:
Question on the 430 Scud....
How many U.K. rhd units were produced?
I’m not against lhd, especially as it’s a paddle shift. Any issues with buying a lhd example?
Didn’t get an opportunity to view the one I had intended to today but hopefully tomorrow.
I have owned both lhd and rhd cars in the UK and never found it to be an issue How many U.K. rhd units were produced?
I’m not against lhd, especially as it’s a paddle shift. Any issues with buying a lhd example?
Didn’t get an opportunity to view the one I had intended to today but hopefully tomorrow.
And the 8C is a car I forgot about - would love one - as always I’d prefer a Coupe though
I can never see the point of paying a huge RHD premium for the same car.
My CS and 308 are LHD. The 355 is RHD.
The only issue that I have ever found with LHD is with the CS harnesses which make it very difficult to see in some junctions. In some cases you need to slip your hand under the belt to free your shoulder to lean forward to be able to see.
My CS and 308 are LHD. The 355 is RHD.
The only issue that I have ever found with LHD is with the CS harnesses which make it very difficult to see in some junctions. In some cases you need to slip your hand under the belt to free your shoulder to lean forward to be able to see.
355fiorano said:
I can never see the point of paying a huge RHD premium for the same car.
My CS and 308 are LHD. The 355 is RHD.
The only issue that I have ever found with LHD is with the CS harnesses which make it very difficult to see in some junctions. In some cases you need to slip your hand under the belt to free your shoulder to lean forward to be able to see.
I have that problem too - driving LHD in Germany, so I think that one is always sth to deal withMy CS and 308 are LHD. The 355 is RHD.
The only issue that I have ever found with LHD is with the CS harnesses which make it very difficult to see in some junctions. In some cases you need to slip your hand under the belt to free your shoulder to lean forward to be able to see.
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