Audi R8 - mag ride / Bilstein shocks

[Raven Flyer]

PompeyReece said:

Raven Flyer said:

I'm no longer on that group. As I was prepared to challenge his 'knowledge', the Admin decided I wasn't the sort of member he wanted. I'm now on an invite only group that includes some of the best R8 experts/technicians in the UK. A much better place!!

What did the survey conclude? A huge amount of it will surely depend on the sort of roads the car is most driven on. Broken rural roads will punish any dampers, 40k of motorways won't have them moving more than 10% of their travel.

Really? The whole point of a group is to engage the collective knowledge as not everyone knows everything.

Results were:

48% - Failure after 20k or more
3% - Failure after 10k to 20k
3% - Failure after 5k to 10k
0% - Failure after 5k or less
33% - Never had a failure
13% - replaced with passive dampers

It wasn't exactly the most in-depth or accurate survey however I'm unaware of anything more accurate?

So 6% of owners had a damper fail at less than 20k miles? That's hardly an avalanche of failures.

[PompeyReece]

Raven Flyer said:

So 6% of owners had a damper fail at less than 20k miles? That's hardly an avalanche of failures.

Exactly and although it's not a figure guaranteed to be 100% accurate, it does suggest the failure rate isn't as much as you would believe if you read internet forums/Facebook groups.

Also one owners sub 5,000 mile failure could be > 20,000 miles in real life if the previous owner had them on there for 15,000 miles.

[Trev450]

Raven Flyer said:

PompeyReece said:

Raven Flyer said:

I'm no longer on that group. As I was prepared to challenge his 'knowledge', the Admin decided I wasn't the sort of member he wanted. I'm now on an invite only group that includes some of the best R8 experts/technicians in the UK. A much better place!!

What did the survey conclude? A huge amount of it will surely depend on the sort of roads the car is most driven on. Broken rural roads will punish any dampers, 40k of motorways won't have them moving more than 10% of their travel.

Really? The whole point of a group is to engage the collective knowledge as not everyone knows everything.

Results were:

48% - Failure after 20k or more
3% - Failure after 10k to 20k
3% - Failure after 5k to 10k
0% - Failure after 5k or less
33% - Never had a failure
13% - replaced with passive dampers

It wasn't exactly the most in-depth or accurate survey however I'm unaware of anything more accurate?

So 6% of owners had a damper fail at less than 20k miles? That's hardly an avalanche of failures.

Well I don't consider 20K or even 30K miles acceptable for the life of a damper, especially one as costly as these.

[andy97]

Raven Flyer said:

PompeyReece said:

Raven Flyer said:

I'm no longer on that group. As I was prepared to challenge his 'knowledge', the Admin decided I wasn't the sort of member he wanted. I'm now on an invite only group that includes some of the best R8 experts/technicians in the UK. A much better place!!

What did the survey conclude? A huge amount of it will surely depend on the sort of roads the car is most driven on. Broken rural roads will punish any dampers, 40k of motorways won't have them moving more than 10% of their travel.

Really? The whole point of a group is to engage the collective knowledge as not everyone knows everything.

Results were:

48% - Failure after 20k or more
3% - Failure after 10k to 20k
3% - Failure after 5k to 10k
0% - Failure after 5k or less
33% - Never had a failure
13% - replaced with passive dampers

It wasn't exactly the most in-depth or accurate survey however I'm unaware of anything more accurate?

So 6% of owners had a damper fail at less than 20k miles? That's hardly an avalanche of failures.

No but very nearly 50% of owners have had failures at, what I consider to be a low mileage of 20k or more (admittedly we don’t know what the top end of that is) on a car which has actually quite a high number of examples out there. 50% failures on a car of this supposed quality up to 100k miles and I would consider to mean that the dampers are not fit for purpose.

[jakesmith]

Trev450 said:

Raven Flyer said:

PompeyReece said:

Raven Flyer said:

I'm no longer on that group. As I was prepared to challenge his 'knowledge', the Admin decided I wasn't the sort of member he wanted. I'm now on an invite only group that includes some of the best R8 experts/technicians in the UK. A much better place!!

What did the survey conclude? A huge amount of it will surely depend on the sort of roads the car is most driven on. Broken rural roads will punish any dampers, 40k of motorways won't have them moving more than 10% of their travel.

Really? The whole point of a group is to engage the collective knowledge as not everyone knows everything.

Results were:

48% - Failure after 20k or more
3% - Failure after 10k to 20k
3% - Failure after 5k to 10k
0% - Failure after 5k or less
33% - Never had a failure
13% - replaced with passive dampers

It wasn't exactly the most in-depth or accurate survey however I'm unaware of anything more accurate?

So 6% of owners had a damper fail at less than 20k miles? That's hardly an avalanche of failures.

Well I don't consider 20K or even 30K miles acceptable for the life of a damper, especially one as costly as these.

I just looked at the original price list for the R8 & Mag Ride was only £1350 as an option. You'd be lucky to get one damper replaced for that. In some ways it is worse than the Porsche engine fiasco in that the failure is almost guaranteed, often after little use, and sometime several times within ownership

[Kent Border Kenny]

jakesmith said:

That was literally the only way of dealing with the situation - sounds terrible mate commiserations!

Well yes, but needs must.

[Raven Flyer]

jakesmith said:

I'd be keen too please

Jake DM me your mobile number and I will ask for you to be added. Not my group, so no promises.

[m4tti]

Raven Flyer said:

My biggest issue was that 'Caravan Colin' charges anyone with a car related business to be on there. This means that an awful lot of experienced contributors don't contribute to that forum as they don't want to pay him to be Facebook users. Colin then deletes any posts that mention companies that have not paid up. It makes the whole group a very small and stunted pool of information/experience... some of that information is blatantly wrong.

I'll dm you details of the other group.

Thanks Pete.

[31106]

m4tti said:

Raven Flyer said:

My biggest issue was that 'Caravan Colin' charges anyone with a car related business to be on there. This means that an awful lot of experienced contributors don't contribute to that forum as they don't want to pay him to be Facebook users. Colin then deletes any posts that mention companies that have not paid up. It makes the whole group a very small and stunted pool of information/experience... some of that information is blatantly wrong.

I'll dm you details of the other group.

Thanks Pete.

I've been a member of that group for some time now and I can tell you it's brilliant, the admin diagnosed the faults with my R Tronic Unit and talked me through the repair procedure step by step.
I heard that you were removed for continually giving bad and at one time dangerous advice, like tightening a Brake Caliper Bolt and extra quarter turn after torquing it, frankly I agree, that could have had catastrophic results.
I've seen no evidence of anybody being charged anything.

[Raven Flyer]

31106 said:

m4tti said:

Raven Flyer said:

My biggest issue was that 'Caravan Colin' charges anyone with a car related business to be on there. This means that an awful lot of experienced contributors don't contribute to that forum as they don't want to pay him to be Facebook users. Colin then deletes any posts that mention companies that have not paid up. It makes the whole group a very small and stunted pool of information/experience... some of that information is blatantly wrong.

I'll dm you details of the other group.

Thanks Pete.

I've been a member of that group for some time now and I can tell you it's brilliant, the admin diagnosed the faults with my R Tronic Unit and talked me through the repair procedure step by step.
I heard that you were removed for continually giving bad and at one time dangerous advice, like tightening a Brake Caliper Bolt and extra quarter turn after torquing it, frankly I agree, that could have had catastrophic results.
I've seen no evidence of anybody being charged anything.

PMSL I knew you’d turn up soon Colin but why do you always hide behind bogus accounts?

You deleted me because I said you cannot actually forge carbon fibre and you disagreed so deleted me. I have never discussed tightening brake callipers, anywhere.

There are several technicians and business owners on the other group, all of whom refused to pay your fees... so you deleted them too.

When I was on there, you continued to give out utter b*ll*cks as fact and would not listen to any challenge to your ill informed ideas. Carbon build up on V8s was a classic. You said to drive them hard and it doesn’t happen. The opposite is actually true and widely known.

It’s such a shame. If it didn’t have a prize c*ck running it, it could be a good Facebook group.

Edited by Raven Flyer on Friday 11th September 16:26