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hi shipmates,
we've been asked a few times about setting up a just-giving page, and how the funding and donations work on these events, and i thought I'd just clarify what we said at the beginning of this thread for those of you that understandably cant be bothered to wade back through 13 pages of me going 'arrr'.
All profits raised from the hoon go to charity, namely the RNLI. we chose the RNLI because it has a suitable nautical theme, and because as far as I'm concerned they're one of the most vital and most ironically underfunded services. plus, and i must confess to a vested interest here, i do a lot of water-sports so its quite likely that one day ill be needing their services, and it'd be quite nice if i could increase the chances of a rescue by giving some of my time elsewhere.
what we term 'profits' is the money raised in excess of the total price of all participants bags of stuff required for the hoon (clues, balloons, maps, patches etc). we do NOT include any money in that figure for our time or our costs, and nor do we deduct any for these factors. The money calculated for costs is purely that as detailed above, IE specific hoon needs. some stuff, like bin bags, we bought in bulk and therefore dont include in the price anywhere.
We estimate that of each ten pound entrant fee, between 6.50 and 8 pounds is profit and therefore goes to charity, depending on the number of participants. In other words, the stuff costs us between a couple of quid and a 3.50 depending on how many people attend and how much discount we can get for buying tonnes of it. obviously the higher the number of participants the lower the costs and therefore the higher the profits we pass on.
For the first hoon, it took us an awful long time to make everything work, and we had several aborted recces and made an awful lot of mistakes. But we learned an awful lot too. But, because we made all these silly mistakes (over-ordered, under-printed, printed the wrong stuff, didn't allow for people saying they'll attend and then not showing up etc) we did not feel it would be fair to pass this cost on to 'you', and therefore on to the RNLI, so we donated all of the monies raised to the RNLI. in short, it cost us a fortune personally and a massive amount of time and stress, but neither Jame nor I care cos it was good fun and we feel proud that we were able to do a good thing for good people.
Future hoons will of course (fingers crossed!) be without any of these hiccups or cock-ups so therefore we will be able to adhere to our original plan. again, we are taking nothing for ourselves or our time, just covering the costs of the required materials. in personal terms, the first hoon cost us in excess of 1000 quid, and thats without factoring in our time(its a good job, jamie charges a fortune for map reading), so obviously we need to try and keep the personal cost as low as possible. We really love doing these events, and its absolutley a labour of love, but obviously we cant absorb all the costs ourselves.
we chose not to use the just-giving site as they take a cut for their service, and since were fully aware that the service we offer is silly enough to not be to everyones tastes, were keen not to let what moneys we do raise be diminished in any way.
I hope this is clear, though I'm the first to admit that my English is appalling. a life on the ocean waves will do that to a lad
we've been asked a few times about setting up a just-giving page, and how the funding and donations work on these events, and i thought I'd just clarify what we said at the beginning of this thread for those of you that understandably cant be bothered to wade back through 13 pages of me going 'arrr'.
All profits raised from the hoon go to charity, namely the RNLI. we chose the RNLI because it has a suitable nautical theme, and because as far as I'm concerned they're one of the most vital and most ironically underfunded services. plus, and i must confess to a vested interest here, i do a lot of water-sports so its quite likely that one day ill be needing their services, and it'd be quite nice if i could increase the chances of a rescue by giving some of my time elsewhere.
what we term 'profits' is the money raised in excess of the total price of all participants bags of stuff required for the hoon (clues, balloons, maps, patches etc). we do NOT include any money in that figure for our time or our costs, and nor do we deduct any for these factors. The money calculated for costs is purely that as detailed above, IE specific hoon needs. some stuff, like bin bags, we bought in bulk and therefore dont include in the price anywhere.
We estimate that of each ten pound entrant fee, between 6.50 and 8 pounds is profit and therefore goes to charity, depending on the number of participants. In other words, the stuff costs us between a couple of quid and a 3.50 depending on how many people attend and how much discount we can get for buying tonnes of it. obviously the higher the number of participants the lower the costs and therefore the higher the profits we pass on.
For the first hoon, it took us an awful long time to make everything work, and we had several aborted recces and made an awful lot of mistakes. But we learned an awful lot too. But, because we made all these silly mistakes (over-ordered, under-printed, printed the wrong stuff, didn't allow for people saying they'll attend and then not showing up etc) we did not feel it would be fair to pass this cost on to 'you', and therefore on to the RNLI, so we donated all of the monies raised to the RNLI. in short, it cost us a fortune personally and a massive amount of time and stress, but neither Jame nor I care cos it was good fun and we feel proud that we were able to do a good thing for good people.
Future hoons will of course (fingers crossed!) be without any of these hiccups or cock-ups so therefore we will be able to adhere to our original plan. again, we are taking nothing for ourselves or our time, just covering the costs of the required materials. in personal terms, the first hoon cost us in excess of 1000 quid, and thats without factoring in our time(its a good job, jamie charges a fortune for map reading), so obviously we need to try and keep the personal cost as low as possible. We really love doing these events, and its absolutley a labour of love, but obviously we cant absorb all the costs ourselves.
we chose not to use the just-giving site as they take a cut for their service, and since were fully aware that the service we offer is silly enough to not be to everyones tastes, were keen not to let what moneys we do raise be diminished in any way.
I hope this is clear, though I'm the first to admit that my English is appalling. a life on the ocean waves will do that to a lad
nervous said:
we chose not to use the just-giving site as they take a cut for their service, and since were fully aware that the service we offer is silly enough to not be to everyones tastes, were keen not to let what moneys we do raise be diminished in any way.
I think though that if you use the JG site and everyone does the tax thing then even after their cut the charity still gets more than the original cash donation ?
Hughesie II said:
I think though that if you use the JG site and everyone does the tax thing then even after their cut the charity still gets more than the original cash donation ?
It does, but we were still able to claim gift aid anyway.
ETA: We have gift aid forms for the next hoon anyway (printed at my expense of course).
Edited by magic torch on Wednesday 24th January 19:13
nervous said:
hi shipmates,
we've been asked a few times about setting up a just-giving page, and how the funding and donations work on these events, and i thought I'd just clarify what we said at the beginning of this thread for those of you that understandably cant be bothered to wade back through 13 pages of me going 'arrr'.
All profits raised from the hoon go to charity, namely the RNLI. we chose the RNLI because it has a suitable nautical theme, and because as far as I'm concerned they're one of the most vital and most ironically underfunded services. plus, and i must confess to a vested interest here, i do a lot of water-sports so its quite likely that one day ill be needing their services, and it'd be quite nice if i could increase the chances of a rescue by giving some of my time elsewhere.
what we term 'profits' is the money raised in excess of the total price of all participants bags of stuff required for the hoon (clues, balloons, maps, patches etc). we do NOT include any money in that figure for our time or our costs, and nor do we deduct any for these factors. The money calculated for costs is purely that as detailed above, IE specific hoon needs. some stuff, like bin bags, we bought in bulk and therefore dont include in the price anywhere.
We estimate that of each ten pound entrant fee, between 6.50 and 8 pounds is profit and therefore goes to charity, depending on the number of participants. In other words, the stuff costs us between a couple of quid and a 3.50 depending on how many people attend and how much discount we can get for buying tonnes of it. obviously the higher the number of participants the lower the costs and therefore the higher the profits we pass on.
For the first hoon, it took us an awful long time to make everything work, and we had several aborted recces and made an awful lot of mistakes. But we learned an awful lot too. But, because we made all these silly mistakes (over-ordered, under-printed, printed the wrong stuff, didn't allow for people saying they'll attend and then not showing up etc) we did not feel it would be fair to pass this cost on to 'you', and therefore on to the RNLI, so we donated all of the monies raised to the RNLI. in short, it cost us a fortune personally and a massive amount of time and stress, but neither Jame nor I care cos it was good fun and we feel proud that we were able to do a good thing for good people.
Future hoons will of course (fingers crossed!) be without any of these hiccups or cock-ups so therefore we will be able to adhere to our original plan. again, we are taking nothing for ourselves or our time, just covering the costs of the required materials. in personal terms, the first hoon cost us in excess of 1000 quid, and thats without factoring in our time(its a good job, jamie charges a fortune for map reading), so obviously we need to try and keep the personal cost as low as possible. We really love doing these events, and its absolutley a labour of love, but obviously we cant absorb all the costs ourselves.
we chose not to use the just-giving site as they take a cut for their service, and since were fully aware that the service we offer is silly enough to not be to everyones tastes, were keen not to let what moneys we do raise be diminished in any way.
I hope this is clear, though I'm the first to admit that my English is appalling. a life on the ocean waves will do that to a lad
we've been asked a few times about setting up a just-giving page, and how the funding and donations work on these events, and i thought I'd just clarify what we said at the beginning of this thread for those of you that understandably cant be bothered to wade back through 13 pages of me going 'arrr'.
All profits raised from the hoon go to charity, namely the RNLI. we chose the RNLI because it has a suitable nautical theme, and because as far as I'm concerned they're one of the most vital and most ironically underfunded services. plus, and i must confess to a vested interest here, i do a lot of water-sports so its quite likely that one day ill be needing their services, and it'd be quite nice if i could increase the chances of a rescue by giving some of my time elsewhere.
what we term 'profits' is the money raised in excess of the total price of all participants bags of stuff required for the hoon (clues, balloons, maps, patches etc). we do NOT include any money in that figure for our time or our costs, and nor do we deduct any for these factors. The money calculated for costs is purely that as detailed above, IE specific hoon needs. some stuff, like bin bags, we bought in bulk and therefore dont include in the price anywhere.
We estimate that of each ten pound entrant fee, between 6.50 and 8 pounds is profit and therefore goes to charity, depending on the number of participants. In other words, the stuff costs us between a couple of quid and a 3.50 depending on how many people attend and how much discount we can get for buying tonnes of it. obviously the higher the number of participants the lower the costs and therefore the higher the profits we pass on.
For the first hoon, it took us an awful long time to make everything work, and we had several aborted recces and made an awful lot of mistakes. But we learned an awful lot too. But, because we made all these silly mistakes (over-ordered, under-printed, printed the wrong stuff, didn't allow for people saying they'll attend and then not showing up etc) we did not feel it would be fair to pass this cost on to 'you', and therefore on to the RNLI, so we donated all of the monies raised to the RNLI. in short, it cost us a fortune personally and a massive amount of time and stress, but neither Jame nor I care cos it was good fun and we feel proud that we were able to do a good thing for good people.
Future hoons will of course (fingers crossed!) be without any of these hiccups or cock-ups so therefore we will be able to adhere to our original plan. again, we are taking nothing for ourselves or our time, just covering the costs of the required materials. in personal terms, the first hoon cost us in excess of 1000 quid, and thats without factoring in our time(its a good job, jamie charges a fortune for map reading), so obviously we need to try and keep the personal cost as low as possible. We really love doing these events, and its absolutley a labour of love, but obviously we cant absorb all the costs ourselves.
we chose not to use the just-giving site as they take a cut for their service, and since were fully aware that the service we offer is silly enough to not be to everyones tastes, were keen not to let what moneys we do raise be diminished in any way.
I hope this is clear, though I'm the first to admit that my English is appalling. a life on the ocean waves will do that to a lad
Thank you for taking the time to explain all this Nervy.
I am very sure that absolutely EVERYONE who attended the last event would agree that the efforts to organise the event paid off, resulting in a superb and enjoyable event!!!!! NOBODY would want you to, or expect you to be out of pocket, nor, (I can only assume I speak for everyone here) would anyone have ANY problem in contributing to the running costs of to a well organised event such as this that they get enjoyment from attending!
Managing donations effectively is often a complex task as I am very well aware, having worked for a large UK charity. I just wanted to say that Just Giving is a reputable commercial organisation offering a financial transaction service just like PayPal so therefore it has to take a very small %. This is negligable and is paid by the charities who list themselves on the site which costs considerably less than their organising their own human administration of individual donations - so it works very well indeed, it is also a seamless way of collecting gift aid contributions. The other benefit is the provision of an online page that you can direct people, (who perhaps could not attend your event yet still wanted to make a donation to show their support & help promote the event to others) people usually add the URL to emails and their websites etc to generate awareness of their activity so it has lots of added benefits. I just wanted to clarify that the site is hugely valuable to small and large charities alike from an administrative perspective and also those motivated individuals such as marathon runners who want to raise money for their chosen charity where they can set up a promotional page with a reputable donation management agency without the added hassle of handling the money themselves.
However, it is certainly not the be all and end all and as you very rightly state there are many other ways of doing things and large degree of personal choice, you guys know exactly what you're doing and you've clearly got all angles and eventualites covered so here's wishing you the best with your next event, I'm sure it will great fun and a huge success.
Unfortunately we're going to have to cancel the Essex Hoon.
I'm afraid I've got other commitments and wasn't going to be able to attend so Nervy was going to run it on his own, but now can't attend because of a difficult time with his family.
Obviously, since no moneys were taken, none need returning but were really very sorry shipmates, were gutted were not going to get to meet you all.
But, please don't be too disappointed or lose heart, the Cambridge hoon on the 4th of March fast approaches of the starboard bow and is a perfect chance for some pirating, plundering and all the best kinds of pillaging...we very much hope to see you all there.
Apologies again shipmates...
magic torch said:
the Cambridge hoon on the 4th of March
Excellent. Me and M liked Cambridge. I`ll see if she`d like to come.
magic torch said:
Unfortunately we're going to have to cancel the Essex Hoon.
I'm afraid I've got other commitments and wasn't going to be able to attend so Nervy was going to run it on his own, but now can't attend because of a difficult time with his family.
Obviously, since no moneys were taken, none need returning but were really very sorry shipmates, were gutted were not going to get to meet you all.
But, please don't be too disappointed or lose heart, the Cambridge hoon on the 4th of March fast approaches of the starboard bow and is a perfect chance for some pirating, plundering and all the best kinds of pillaging...we very much hope to see you all there.
Apologies again shipmates...
That's a real shame. Oh well, I understand that some things are more important than dressing up as pirates and blundering around annoying members of the public (though not many things). I'll just hope to see you all for the March Cambridge one.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
magic torch said:
Unfortunately we're going to have to cancel the Essex Hoon.
I'm afraid I've got other commitments and wasn't going to be able to attend so Nervy was going to run it on his own, but now can't attend because of a difficult time with his family.
Obviously, since no moneys were taken, none need returning but were really very sorry shipmates, were gutted were not going to get to meet you all.
But, please don't be too disappointed or lose heart, the Cambridge hoon on the 4th of March fast approaches of the starboard bow and is a perfect chance for some pirating, plundering and all the best kinds of pillaging...we very much hope to see you all there.
Apologies again shipmates...
That's a real shame. Oh well, I understand that some things are more important than dressing up as pirates and blundering around annoying members of the public (though not many things). I'll just hope to see you all for the March Cambridge one.
yes, just plan ahead this time, wear proper shoes and realise that you will not get a chance to go out on the pop without drinking pop and thus its always prudent to book a hotel room rather than rely on "chateau puma" for you accomodation
WetWipe said:
yes, just plan ahead this time, wear proper shoes and realise that you will not get a chance to go out on the pop without drinking pop and thus its always prudent to book a hotel room rather than rely on "chateau puma" for you accomodation
Yeah yeah, whatever. The following sequence of events still happened:
...so as far as I'm concerned it was a good night.
The only problem with Chateau Puma is that you don't get a little mint on your seat when you arrive.
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