Summer coolant. What is it?
Discussion
heebeegeetee said:
227bhp said:
If you've read my post above you certainly haven't responded to it, does it not fit your agenda?
Sorry, no, I hadn’t seen your post above. I still think your missing the point and I’m not at all sure why you’ve got involved, but I’ll have another go.
I’m fairly certain that ive not said that “coolant” didn’t used to exist, we all know that snake oil has always existed. What has changed for me, as of yesterday, is that I cannot buy plain antifreeze anymore, it seems.
I know that it takes water to make it work, and that is closer to my point, in that I can supply my own water, I don’t need to buy water from a parts supplier.
I don't understand why a few ml of water in a product which serves the same function as it used to is a problem - as has already been said, the formulations have changed slightly in recent years by adding a bittering agent to stop accidental ingestion, other chemistry changes may also have gone on.
If it's such a big issue have you contacted a manufacturer like Comma to find out why there's water in it?
PHuzzy said:
I think you're the one is 100% wrong.
Break it down for us, what is it you actually want?
What concentrate of anti-freeze? What freezing point do you think this concentrate should have?
I expect what you're thinking of, doesn't actually exist and what you 'think' you've always been using isn't actually what you think.
Plain antifreeze has existed for 40 years that I know of. I've been buying it for 40 years. I want to continue buying it. Here's my last tub Break it down for us, what is it you actually want?
What concentrate of anti-freeze? What freezing point do you think this concentrate should have?
I expect what you're thinking of, doesn't actually exist and what you 'think' you've always been using isn't actually what you think.
No mention of the word 'coolant', summer or otherwise, anywhere.
This is what I expected to arrive yesterday. It comes from Car Spares, they've been the last supplier able to supply us with straight antifreeze.
I don't want to buy 'antifreeze with coolant', because that would be a nonsense imo.
(The tub of 'Concentrated Antifreeze with Summer Coolant'
has been sent back).I've spoken to an engine builder friend of mine, he has been buying the MBM stuff also, though he's not aware it may not be available anymore. He also is not interested in buying diluted concentrate.
227bhp said:
3 pages in and not one person agrees with you, not even remotely.
You need a check up from the neck up, I'm out.
It seems obvious but unfortunately not. That's why I wanted to find out the exact thing he wanted.You need a check up from the neck up, I'm out.
Turns out the exact product he wants, is near enough identical to the product he's not happy with.
Who'd have thought it?
227bhp said:
3 pages in and not one person agrees with you, not even remotely.
You need a check up from the neck up, I'm out.
I haven't asked anyone to agree with me. I've asked "Summer coolant. What is it"? It's in the tread title and everything, and from that moment on, people like you have argued with yourselves over everything bar the subject. I don't know about 'out', you were never in.You need a check up from the neck up, I'm out.
PHuzzy said:
You can still buy it, it's MPM G12+.
No different to what you've returned though apart from not having the words 'summer coolant' on it.
It's different to what's already in our cars. "The G12 fluid must not be mixed with other types of coolants or additives" https://www.google.com/search?ei=keUMXeihKoyigQbol...No different to what you've returned though apart from not having the words 'summer coolant' on it.
And appears to be twice the price. So no different at all then...
Edited by heebeegeetee on Friday 21st June 15:27
Get the standard stuff then. My point still applies.
https://www.mpmoil.co.uk/products/download/TDS-820...
That's the data sheet for the exact bottle you own and you are happy with, albeit it's the newer version.
It is still the same formulation as the QX stuff you sent back. Minus the words summer coolant.
https://www.mpmoil.co.uk/products/download/TDS-820...
That's the data sheet for the exact bottle you own and you are happy with, albeit it's the newer version.
It is still the same formulation as the QX stuff you sent back. Minus the words summer coolant.
This is my last post as nothing appears to be getting through. Plus I'm about to stop being paid by work for this time and effort.
https://www.carsparesltd.com/product/antifreeze-co...
That is EXACTLY what you would have wanted.
It appears as if MPM are in the process of re-branding that product - MPM Premium 82020 to be MPM Standard 82000 which is why your preferred supplier is out of stock.
It is exactly the same as the QX 'summer coolant'/anti-freeze apart from the words used on the bottle.
You can wait for carsparesltd to receive stock of the new stuff if that makes you happy but ultimately, there is no difference in the actual product.
You're very welcome.
https://www.carsparesltd.com/product/antifreeze-co...
That is EXACTLY what you would have wanted.
It appears as if MPM are in the process of re-branding that product - MPM Premium 82020 to be MPM Standard 82000 which is why your preferred supplier is out of stock.
It is exactly the same as the QX 'summer coolant'/anti-freeze apart from the words used on the bottle.
You can wait for carsparesltd to receive stock of the new stuff if that makes you happy but ultimately, there is no difference in the actual product.
You're very welcome.
heebeegeetee said:
Plain antifreeze has existed for 40 years that I know of. I've been buying it for 40 years. I want to continue buying it. Here's my last tub
No mention of the word 'coolant', summer or otherwise, anywhere.
https://www.commaoil.com/passenger-vehicles/products/view/298/SLA20L/No mention of the word 'coolant', summer or otherwise, anywhere.
Comma make the same thing, it matches every single specification that MBM does.
Using BS6580:2010 as a basis you could use this as well, unless 2.8% water content offends you: https://www.commaoil.com/passenger-vehicles/produc...
Just because it says "coolant" doesn't mean it isn't antifreeze...
Wonder if this might help?
Total.co.uk/coolant-antifreeze-guide.
I hope so.
I can't get it to link, will have to type it in. But this link is copied from there.
Total offers a full range of ready-mixed coolant, TOTAL COOLELF, and antifreeze concentrate, TOTAL GLACELF, which must be diluted with water. Having been developed in our advanced research centres, our range is fully approved by leading vehicle manufacturers and is available in various different quantities.
The same thing, but 1 needs diluting and 1 doesn't. Other label suppliers do the same choices.
Total.co.uk/coolant-antifreeze-guide.
I hope so.
I can't get it to link, will have to type it in. But this link is copied from there.
Total offers a full range of ready-mixed coolant, TOTAL COOLELF, and antifreeze concentrate, TOTAL GLACELF, which must be diluted with water. Having been developed in our advanced research centres, our range is fully approved by leading vehicle manufacturers and is available in various different quantities.
The same thing, but 1 needs diluting and 1 doesn't. Other label suppliers do the same choices.
Edited by Coilspring on Friday 21st June 17:15
heebeegeetee said:
Plain antifreeze has existed for 40 years that I know of. I've been buying it for 40 years. I want to continue buying it. Here's my last tub
No mention of the word 'coolant', summer or otherwise, anywhere.
This is what I expected to arrive yesterday. It comes from Car Spares, they've been the last supplier able to supply us with straight antifreeze.
I don't want to buy 'antifreeze with coolant', because that would be a nonsense imo.
(The tub of 'Concentrated Antifreeze with Summer Coolant' has been sent back).
I've spoken to an engine builder friend of mine, he has been buying the MBM stuff also, though he's not aware it may not be available anymore. He also is not interested in buying diluted concentrate.
So you are complaining about possible small ammonts of water in a product that has to be mixed with water in order to us it 😂No mention of the word 'coolant', summer or otherwise, anywhere.
This is what I expected to arrive yesterday. It comes from Car Spares, they've been the last supplier able to supply us with straight antifreeze.
I don't want to buy 'antifreeze with coolant', because that would be a nonsense imo.
(The tub of 'Concentrated Antifreeze with Summer Coolant'
has been sent back).I've spoken to an engine builder friend of mine, he has been buying the MBM stuff also, though he's not aware it may not be available anymore. He also is not interested in buying diluted concentrate.
PHuzzy said:
1. Get the standard stuff then. My point still applies.
https://www.mpmoil.co.uk/products/download/TDS-820...
That's the data sheet for the exact bottle you own and you are happy with, albeit it's the newer version.
2. It is still the same formulation as the QX stuff you sent back. Minus the words summer coolant.
1. You can't get that stuff any more, that's what you're not getting. MBM 82000 in 20 litre quantity is MBM 82020, and that's what stopped arriving yesterday. https://www.mpmoil.co.uk/products/download/TDS-820...
That's the data sheet for the exact bottle you own and you are happy with, albeit it's the newer version.
2. It is still the same formulation as the QX stuff you sent back. Minus the words summer coolant.
2. It's the same spec in as much as supermarket engine oil can be exactly the same spec as premium brand oil. Now, if you believe the two products are exactly the same, then crack right on, but I believe I know that supermarket oil is not the same as premium oil and I don't use it.
If MBM 82020 and the QX stuff was the same, then we'd get the same results from our tester, but we don't. The "and coolant" stuff is always weaker, as I said in the OP.
Krikkit said:
Just because it says "coolant" doesn't mean it isn't antifreeze...
Well, tell me what it is then, and why the need for the "and coolant" labelling. In the original post I said "I'm asking here because quite simply, not one single parts supplier can tell me what summer coolant is other than waffle about parts numbers and meaningless specs."and that's all that's going on here and now, along with links to stuff that's either different or no longer exists.
If it's all exactly the same, why have the antifreeze manufacturers spent money on changing their labelling?
Krikkit said:
Using BS6580:2010 as a basis you could use this as well, unless 2.8% water content offends you: https://www.commaoil.com/passenger-vehicles/produc...
On Monday I will see if I can get that supplied and at what price. Thank you.
heebeegeetee said:
paintman said:
If having any water in your car's cooling systems is such an issue why aren't you using one of the 'waterless coolants'?
I've done my best to explain, but you're clearly not getting it.There is no issue with having water in the cooling system, but I don't want to buy that water from a car parts supplier.
Plus, I want them to be honest with me, and they're not. I think the motor trade and industry just finds it impossible to be honest, though it seems the public don't give a kipper.
As you feel so strongly about it you should do what I suggested in the remainder of my post - the bit you haven't quoted - & take the matter up with the ASA as you feel the motoring public are being conned.
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