VW Transporter requiring new engine - What would you do?
Discussion
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of a vehicle possibly having a known defect no manufacturer is going to give a perpetual warranty on a vehicle, knowing VW as I do to get any goodwill beyond 5 years old is a good result, you could keep arguing but on a vehicle that's heading for 8 years old I really don't think you will get more than 30%, in your shoes I would seriously think about getting rid and putting the money towards something else
My opinion on this for what it’s worth..
If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution.. if they were savvy, they’d ask VW to match their additional support.. so 10% from the dealer (no more than a healthy discount on parts/labour really) with VW’s 30% and another matching 10% from them to match the dealer gives 50% total..
The other way of looking at it is, you have a van that is 4 years out of warranty and you chose not to protect yourself with an extended warranty..
If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution.. if they were savvy, they’d ask VW to match their additional support.. so 10% from the dealer (no more than a healthy discount on parts/labour really) with VW’s 30% and another matching 10% from them to match the dealer gives 50% total..
The other way of looking at it is, you have a van that is 4 years out of warranty and you chose not to protect yourself with an extended warranty..
Superhoop said:
My opinion on this for what it’s worth..
If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution..
But in this case the van was bought from a totally different dealer to the one that has done the servicing. What is the service interval on these things 15,000 miles ish maybe??? Swansea VW have probably only ever seen it 5 or 6 times.If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution..
Evening all,
thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
irfan1712 said:
Evening all,
thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
Good to hear it is resolved, just checked ours that was done under warranty thankfully, and it has the D mark on it also.thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
ISn't this at some point all manufacturers?
Our Mazda 6 2.2D was in the range of 2013 cars that had the soft camshafts. They last around 25-30k miles then detonate, luckily ours did it in the last week of it's 3 year warrenty, but not before our Mazda dealer tried to hand it back from it's service and first MOT knackered, like it was in limp home mode.
Thats was 7k for the engine, plus turbo, brake servo (for some reason) etc, then a year later the turbo detonated again...fixed under warranty...
Our Mazda 6 2.2D was in the range of 2013 cars that had the soft camshafts. They last around 25-30k miles then detonate, luckily ours did it in the last week of it's 3 year warrenty, but not before our Mazda dealer tried to hand it back from it's service and first MOT knackered, like it was in limp home mode.
Thats was 7k for the engine, plus turbo, brake servo (for some reason) etc, then a year later the turbo detonated again...fixed under warranty...
ChocolateFrog said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines
I do wonder if that statement bares scrutiny statistically. I can't be bothered to look at the MTBF data but someone must have done.
It’s a failure to adjust/alter/tamper with any of the emissions devices fitted at time of manufacture.
I’ve read a few stories about blanking plates being obviously fitted when they look all clean and shiny and subsequently failing an mot.
Transporters are generally ok, but there’s a wide range of engines/gearboxes and some of them are an issue.
The 180 has an egr issue which is well documented, the 5 speed box isn’t that strong and not good for tuning and the same goes for the 102 engine with a weak turbo. The newer 204 engine can also have egr issues, either failing and damaging the engine or blocking and requiring frequent flushes.
Imo, good quality fuel, frequent oil/filter changes, making a 20+ mile trip once a week and letting your engine fully complete regens should lessen the chances of any issues considerably.
I’ve read a few stories about blanking plates being obviously fitted when they look all clean and shiny and subsequently failing an mot.
Transporters are generally ok, but there’s a wide range of engines/gearboxes and some of them are an issue.
The 180 has an egr issue which is well documented, the 5 speed box isn’t that strong and not good for tuning and the same goes for the 102 engine with a weak turbo. The newer 204 engine can also have egr issues, either failing and damaging the engine or blocking and requiring frequent flushes.
Imo, good quality fuel, frequent oil/filter changes, making a 20+ mile trip once a week and letting your engine fully complete regens should lessen the chances of any issues considerably.
MG CHRIS said:
ChocolateFrog said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines
I do wonder if that statement bares scrutiny statistically. I can't be bothered to look at the MTBF data but someone must have done.
georgeyboy12345 said:
Someone should design an EGR blanking plate that looks like a conventional EGR, but is actually blanked inside.
Can't you just fit the EGR for the MOT?Is it simple to change?
Mate years ago had a rally spec Manta and he had to put the standard cam back in for the MOT so it would pass emissions.
irfan1712 said:
Evening all,
thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
Devils Advocate here. Why would you go to a main stealer and drop £5.5k when they weren't willing to help? I would have gone for a good indie like Darkside.thread resurrection and all that.
Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.
New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.
The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.
if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.
Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD MY ENGINE WILL NEED RELACING - MINE IS THE SAME CFCA 180 BITDI AND 4 MOTION.
WAITING ON PRICES FOR CRATE ENGINE AND REMANUFACTURED, SO MANY DIFFERENT PRICES, DARK DEVELOPMENTS HAVE QUOTED £11,000 PLUS POSSIBLE EXTRA £ BUT INCLUDES FITTING AND NEW TURBO DPF ETC ETC.
WILL ALSO LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO REBUILD - BASED IN SHREWSBURY IF THERE ARE ANY RECOMENDATIONS.
I HAVE ALSO OPENED A CASE WITH VW UK BUT EARLY DAYS.
VAN STILL DRIVES BUT COMING BACK FROM FRANCE TOOK 4 LITRES OF OIL AND COOLANT.
HOPING FOR ADVISE - HELP PLEASE
WAITING ON PRICES FOR CRATE ENGINE AND REMANUFACTURED, SO MANY DIFFERENT PRICES, DARK DEVELOPMENTS HAVE QUOTED £11,000 PLUS POSSIBLE EXTRA £ BUT INCLUDES FITTING AND NEW TURBO DPF ETC ETC.
WILL ALSO LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO REBUILD - BASED IN SHREWSBURY IF THERE ARE ANY RECOMENDATIONS.
I HAVE ALSO OPENED A CASE WITH VW UK BUT EARLY DAYS.
VAN STILL DRIVES BUT COMING BACK FROM FRANCE TOOK 4 LITRES OF OIL AND COOLANT.
HOPING FOR ADVISE - HELP PLEASE
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