VW Transporter requiring new engine - What would you do?

VW Transporter requiring new engine - What would you do?

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Bonzo1930

192 posts

58 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of a vehicle possibly having a known defect no manufacturer is going to give a perpetual warranty on a vehicle, knowing VW as I do to get any goodwill beyond 5 years old is a good result, you could keep arguing but on a vehicle that's heading for 8 years old I really don't think you will get more than 30%, in your shoes I would seriously think about getting rid and putting the money towards something else

Superhoop

4,682 posts

195 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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My opinion on this for what it’s worth..

If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution.. if they were savvy, they’d ask VW to match their additional support.. so 10% from the dealer (no more than a healthy discount on parts/labour really) with VW’s 30% and another matching 10% from them to match the dealer gives 50% total..

The other way of looking at it is, you have a van that is 4 years out of warranty and you chose not to protect yourself with an extended warranty..

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,695 posts

67 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Superhoop said:
My opinion on this for what it’s worth..

If you bought the van from and have always had it serviced by the same dealer, they’ve had a decent chunk of profit out of it, so it wouldn’t hurt for them to offer a contribution..
But in this case the van was bought from a totally different dealer to the one that has done the servicing. What is the service interval on these things 15,000 miles ish maybe??? Swansea VW have probably only ever seen it 5 or 6 times.

Origin Unknown

2,313 posts

171 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Well, this thread has successfully drawn out the brand/perceived scene (delete as appropriate) haters with their axe to grind, the devil's advocates and those who classify ethics as optional. Collectively known as "A thread on Pistonheads" biggrin

alfa-alex

88 posts

54 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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I doubt the dealer wants to replace the engine as they know that the turbos won’t be replaced at the same time so isn’t keen on giving themselves another headache further down the line!

irfan1712

Original Poster:

1,244 posts

155 months

Monday 12th July 2021
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Evening all,

thread resurrection and all that.

Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.

New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.

The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.

if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.

Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.

georgeyboy12345

3,565 posts

37 months

Monday 12th July 2021
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Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines

Origin Unknown

2,313 posts

171 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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irfan1712 said:
Evening all,

thread resurrection and all that.

Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.

New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.

The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.

if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.

Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
Good to hear it is resolved, just checked ours that was done under warranty thankfully, and it has the D mark on it also.

ChocolateFrog

25,877 posts

175 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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Glad to hear you've got a resolution, even if it was a bit pricey.

Probably adds a chunk to the already inflated price should you wish to move it on you'll get some of your money back.

ChocolateFrog

25,877 posts

175 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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georgeyboy12345 said:
Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines
I do wonder if that statement bares scrutiny statistically.

I can't be bothered to look at the MTBF data but someone must have done.

Byker28i

61,208 posts

219 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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ISn't this at some point all manufacturers?

Our Mazda 6 2.2D was in the range of 2013 cars that had the soft camshafts. They last around 25-30k miles then detonate, luckily ours did it in the last week of it's 3 year warrenty, but not before our Mazda dealer tried to hand it back from it's service and first MOT knackered, like it was in limp home mode.

Thats was 7k for the engine, plus turbo, brake servo (for some reason) etc, then a year later the turbo detonated again...fixed under warranty...

MG CHRIS

9,092 posts

169 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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ChocolateFrog said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines
I do wonder if that statement bares scrutiny statistically.

I can't be bothered to look at the MTBF data but someone must have done.
It's more euro emissions strangling the engines. Ford spent loads desging for the scratch up there new 2.0 eco blue engines to be fully compliant where other try and make existing engine fit the ever stricter levels with obvious results.

georgeyboy12345

3,565 posts

37 months

Tuesday 13th July 2021
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Are we not allowed to blank off the EGR valve anymore? Is it an MOT fail?

IT Geek

1,965 posts

45 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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It’s a failure to adjust/alter/tamper with any of the emissions devices fitted at time of manufacture.

I’ve read a few stories about blanking plates being obviously fitted when they look all clean and shiny and subsequently failing an mot.

Transporters are generally ok, but there’s a wide range of engines/gearboxes and some of them are an issue.

The 180 has an egr issue which is well documented, the 5 speed box isn’t that strong and not good for tuning and the same goes for the 102 engine with a weak turbo. The newer 204 engine can also have egr issues, either failing and damaging the engine or blocking and requiring frequent flushes.

Imo, good quality fuel, frequent oil/filter changes, making a 20+ mile trip once a week and letting your engine fully complete regens should lessen the chances of any issues considerably.


ChocolateFrog

25,877 posts

175 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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georgeyboy12345 said:
Are we not allowed to blank off the EGR valve anymore? Is it an MOT fail?
It won't fail as long as the EML code is mapped out.

The tester doesn't lift the bonnet.

It's illegal obviously, but people do it.

ChocolateFrog

25,877 posts

175 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
ChocolateFrog said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
Bizarre how VAG are so crap at making engines
I do wonder if that statement bares scrutiny statistically.

I can't be bothered to look at the MTBF data but someone must have done.
It's more euro emissions strangling the engines. Ford spent loads desging for the scratch up there new 2.0 eco blue engines to be fully compliant where other try and make existing engine fit the ever stricter levels with obvious results.
Judging by the recalls for the ford 2.0l engine for timing belts, emissions stuff is the least of a transit owners worries.

georgeyboy12345

3,565 posts

37 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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Someone should design an EGR blanking plate that looks like a conventional EGR, but is actually blanked inside.

GreatGranny

9,180 posts

228 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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georgeyboy12345 said:
Someone should design an EGR blanking plate that looks like a conventional EGR, but is actually blanked inside.
Can't you just fit the EGR for the MOT?

Is it simple to change?

Mate years ago had a rally spec Manta and he had to put the standard cam back in for the MOT so it would pass emissions.

vikingaero

10,535 posts

171 months

Wednesday 14th July 2021
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irfan1712 said:
Evening all,

thread resurrection and all that.

Just thought id update this thread as i had some good contributions within. As of Saturday morning im now £5.5k lighter.. New block and DPF courtesy of VW Swansea. Turbos were inspected and deemed as sound in a written report so they havent been changed.

New revision 'D' Egr cooler fitted and items fitted come with a 12 month warranty.

The van is worth quite a surprising amount so it was worth doing. More to the point, i honestly dont see me ever changing it, so overall it was worth taking on the chin.

if you, or anyone you know, is looking at a 180bhp Bi Tdi transporter (4 motion, highline or sportline in trim) between say, 2012-2015, DO YOUR RESEARCH and check its not got revision A-C on the egr cooler sticker (pop the bonnet, easy to find) or worse case scenario, its had a new engine. Dont go near one without.. and for the record it only effects the bi tdi's, so the 140's and below are fine.

Awful designed component and one of the reasons, although i love the van to bits, i'll never on this earth buy another VAG product again. Ever.
Devils Advocate here. Why would you go to a main stealer and drop £5.5k when they weren't willing to help? I would have gone for a good indie like Darkside.

Nigel-1lqpz

1 posts

22 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD MY ENGINE WILL NEED RELACING - MINE IS THE SAME CFCA 180 BITDI AND 4 MOTION.

WAITING ON PRICES FOR CRATE ENGINE AND REMANUFACTURED, SO MANY DIFFERENT PRICES, DARK DEVELOPMENTS HAVE QUOTED £11,000 PLUS POSSIBLE EXTRA £ BUT INCLUDES FITTING AND NEW TURBO DPF ETC ETC.

WILL ALSO LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO REBUILD - BASED IN SHREWSBURY IF THERE ARE ANY RECOMENDATIONS.

I HAVE ALSO OPENED A CASE WITH VW UK BUT EARLY DAYS.

VAN STILL DRIVES BUT COMING BACK FROM FRANCE TOOK 4 LITRES OF OIL AND COOLANT.

HOPING FOR ADVISE - HELP PLEASE