One off, genuine HSV HRT427
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lets make it a bit easier for the UK locals to understand by telling a bedtime story...
A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
I couldnt care if Ferrari and Vauxhal made the Carlton, no way ever will a GM car be worth
£250k. The car in question here never even made it to production andd is really only cared about in one low populous country. No real pedigree or street credential, certainly not iconic in the same way as the LC brought 180mph to the local criminal element so much so the police tried to make them illegal as they couldn't catch them.
Whilst there is no doubt this car is a cracking car it aint a 250k motor is it?
£250k. The car in question here never even made it to production andd is really only cared about in one low populous country. No real pedigree or street credential, certainly not iconic in the same way as the LC brought 180mph to the local criminal element so much so the police tried to make them illegal as they couldn't catch them.
Whilst there is no doubt this car is a cracking car it aint a 250k motor is it?
stigmundfreud said:
I couldnt care if Ferrari and Vauxhal made the Carlton, no way ever will a GM car be worth
£250k. The car in question here never even made it to production andd is really only cared about in one low populous country. No real pedigree or street credential, certainly not iconic in the same way as the LC brought 180mph to the local criminal element so much so the police tried to make them illegal as they couldn't catch them.
Thats becasue we all know the LC became a production car - my point was... imagine if it hadnt and only a couple of concept mules actually existed. Someone (not you or i) may pay well above the odds for such a collectors item.£250k. The car in question here never even made it to production andd is really only cared about in one low populous country. No real pedigree or street credential, certainly not iconic in the same way as the LC brought 180mph to the local criminal element so much so the police tried to make them illegal as they couldn't catch them.
stigmundfreud said:
Whilst there is no doubt this car is a cracking car it aint a 250k motor is it?
This kind of one off is worth what any minted colector is prepared to pay for it, thats the bottom line. I'd never part with 250K for it but like I say, whoever does is buying it as a unique collectors item not as simply a fast car.I've seen the other one in the "Heroes Gallery" ay Holden HQ (it is parked in there along with the Torana concept and various other one offs) and it is more than just a tarted up Monaro...looks very good in the flesh.
I've noticed the build number on the one in the add is ED0001, I take it this means the one Holden have is actually number 2? I'd go and have a look tomorrow, but I suspect stepping over the rope is a sackable offence, let alone touching the car.
I've noticed the build number on the one in the add is ED0001, I take it this means the one Holden have is actually number 2? I'd go and have a look tomorrow, but I suspect stepping over the rope is a sackable offence, let alone touching the car.
Edited by Jader1973 on Wednesday 13th February 07:56
HSVGTSCoupe said:
lets make it a bit easier for the UK locals to understand by telling a bedtime story...
A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
Totally disagree.
Were the Monaro in question a unique model then yes, you'd be right. (i.e. there were no other Monaros made)
But there are thousands of them about and in reality, all this is is a tweaked and fettled car of a standard that anyone with a bit of cash could attain - I mean Ohlins shocks?
Big deal.
BigNige said:
HSVGTSCoupe said:
lets make it a bit easier for the UK locals to understand by telling a bedtime story...
A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
Totally disagree.A few years ago Lotus & Vauxhall put their heads together and came up with a car that we all agree is an iconic legend - the LC thankfully materialised into a real car that the punters could swap their hard earned for so it was priced and sold according to the well know laws of supply & demand.
Lets paint a different scenario...
Lotus & Vauxhall put their brains together and make a couple of test mule versions of the LC for PR just to test the water. The punters love it and hundreds put some fun tickets on the table to encourage concept to become reality. The hype is big about this "super carlton" and all the motoring press who get a test drive rename it the sperm bank because so many people have lost a wad as soon as they climbed in. The talk is it will sell for roughly double the standard car version. (this was the case with the HRT427 vs HSV GTS Coupe when HSV were looking at doing this project). For some bizarre reason the project is shelved and all the deposits are returned.. much more gossip & hypoe in the press as a bit of a legend emerges as the supercar that never was. A new benchmark is set for any future "go fast" versions. These two cars dont get destroyed (as many concepts do) but one sits on public display (just keeping the optimists hopes alive) and the other gets offered for sale some years later... now tell me that some collector or enthusiast would not have parted with a phone number worth of fun tickets for THAT Vauxhall/Lotus?? certainly many more than the car would have sold for if it hit production even in limited numbers (which we all are thankful it did).
Now my good "too n froms"... relate it to the above scenario and you should understand why this rather plain & badly finished Monaro would also fetch 4-5 times its originally touted new car price tag. Supply virtually zero.. passionate demand maximum.. you do the sums.
Were the Monaro in question a unique model then yes, you'd be right. (i.e. there were no other Monaros made)
But there are thousands of them about and in reality, all this is is a tweaked and fettled car of a standard that anyone with a bit of cash could attain - I mean Ohlins shocks?
Big deal.
some of you just don't get it.. I feel like Basil Fawlty trying to explain somthing to the Major!And once more for the record... I personally wouldn't pay 250K for that car so to me it's not worth it. BUT some of you are seeing it as just another Monaro - hence me trying to explain the reason why it is likely to go for a disgustingly high amount of money.
Edited by HSVGTSCoupe on Wednesday 13th February 09:29
Eh?
How does that work then?
Lotus Carltons made it into production as did Monaros.
Lotus Carltons, even tweaked ones are nice but nothing special nowadays and certainly not worth 15 times what the std ones go for, especially if a limited model (which is what this was supposed to be) was supposed to be selling for twice std price - itself a ridiculous notion.
That's the equivalent of Vauxhall trying to sell an Ohlins suspensioned, race seated, AP braked, fettled 6.0 VXR with a bit more horsepower for £80k new.
How many people would've bought that??!!
This thing is only a tweaked Monaro, hell it doesn't even put out that much power if we're honest.
I think you're letting your rose tinted specs for the HSV marque blinker your view of what the world outside of Australasia thinks of things like this.
How does that work then?
Lotus Carltons made it into production as did Monaros.
Lotus Carltons, even tweaked ones are nice but nothing special nowadays and certainly not worth 15 times what the std ones go for, especially if a limited model (which is what this was supposed to be) was supposed to be selling for twice std price - itself a ridiculous notion.
That's the equivalent of Vauxhall trying to sell an Ohlins suspensioned, race seated, AP braked, fettled 6.0 VXR with a bit more horsepower for £80k new.
How many people would've bought that??!!
This thing is only a tweaked Monaro, hell it doesn't even put out that much power if we're honest.
I think you're letting your rose tinted specs for the HSV marque blinker your view of what the world outside of Australasia thinks of things like this.
BigNige said:
Eh?
How does that work then?
Lotus Carltons made it into production as did Monaros.
Lotus Carltons, even tweaked ones are nice but nothing special nowadays and certainly not worth 15 times what the std ones go for, especially if a limited model (which is what this was supposed to be) was supposed to be selling for twice std price - itself a ridiculous notion.
That's the equivalent of Vauxhall trying to sell an Ohlins suspensioned, race seated, AP braked, fettled 6.0 VXR with a bit more horsepower for £80k new.
How many people would've bought that??!!
This thing is only a tweaked Monaro, hell it doesn't even put out that much power if we're honest.
I think you're letting your rose tinted specs for the HSV marque blinker your view of what the world outside of Australasia thinks of things like this.
Nige.. go put some water in the kettle, make a nice cuppa and re-read my original "HYPOTHESIS"..How does that work then?
Lotus Carltons made it into production as did Monaros.
Lotus Carltons, even tweaked ones are nice but nothing special nowadays and certainly not worth 15 times what the std ones go for, especially if a limited model (which is what this was supposed to be) was supposed to be selling for twice std price - itself a ridiculous notion.
That's the equivalent of Vauxhall trying to sell an Ohlins suspensioned, race seated, AP braked, fettled 6.0 VXR with a bit more horsepower for £80k new.
How many people would've bought that??!!
This thing is only a tweaked Monaro, hell it doesn't even put out that much power if we're honest.
I think you're letting your rose tinted specs for the HSV marque blinker your view of what the world outside of Australasia thinks of things like this.
I was saying imagine if the LC NEVER made it past concept stage and only a couple of samples ever exisited. This Monaro is the "super Monaro that never was" just like the LC is a "super Carlton". GEEZUZ... do you want me to write it in crayon? I must be speaking egyptian or somthing.. I'm not trying to sell the idea to anyone FFS; I was just trying to give those on the north side of the rock a bit more background as to why it will fetch some big fun tickets.
ringram said:
Its got pedigree in Oz mate. Think of bathurst etc..
it was made to homologate this car.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pt991EpMqpQ
i think the story behind this monaro was similer to the story behind the 70's GTHO "Super Falcon" wasnt it?
Edited by AMD87 on Wednesday 13th February 11:24
It would be similar to a TSR2 aeroplane...there you go, there are only 2 of them! or a Vulcan Bomber! Maybe an Aston Martin 007 car??
As mentioned there are plenty of more quicker cars nowadays but the value of historically significant Australian cars in Australia has gone through the roof. Most of the GT falcons from the 60 and 70's are pulling in big $$. The Toranas I reckon could be next. Chargers fetch a packet now too. Is it worth it? Just over $100k or thereabouts was the starting price when they first where mooted so that is how much it is worth in my books! However the Sultan of Brunei spends a lot on one off prototypes doesn't he? including HSV's or Holdens I am sure I have read!
As mentioned there are plenty of more quicker cars nowadays but the value of historically significant Australian cars in Australia has gone through the roof. Most of the GT falcons from the 60 and 70's are pulling in big $$. The Toranas I reckon could be next. Chargers fetch a packet now too. Is it worth it? Just over $100k or thereabouts was the starting price when they first where mooted so that is how much it is worth in my books! However the Sultan of Brunei spends a lot on one off prototypes doesn't he? including HSV's or Holdens I am sure I have read!
stigmundfreud said:
Just thinking about it, I would spend a lot of money on an RS200 which never got to make its name...
Apart from its name of "if you want to go really fast in a chopped short Escort and then die when you come off the track thru too much power and not enough technology to keep it going the right way" reputation and the fact it did sell over 200 to the "general public" in order to compete in the the championship, doesn't make it a "1 or 2 off" concept. I thought the idea was that cars like the rs200 were sold as standard road cars?
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