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In every Vauxhall Service booklet it quotes;
If any modifications or conversions are carried out , any change made to the standard vehicle specification MAY cause the warranty offered by Vauxhall Motors Limited not to apply.
So any modification made to the car vs the warranty being claimed is assessed on each individual basis if we believe there is a dispute.
Personally , and this is a non prejudicial statement for Vauxhall , anyone who modifies their vehicle is accepting some form of risk vs the std product. Only you can assess that risk based on what or who the modifying company is by past reputation/experience.
Stu
If any modifications or conversions are carried out , any change made to the standard vehicle specification MAY cause the warranty offered by Vauxhall Motors Limited not to apply.
So any modification made to the car vs the warranty being claimed is assessed on each individual basis if we believe there is a dispute.
Personally , and this is a non prejudicial statement for Vauxhall , anyone who modifies their vehicle is accepting some form of risk vs the std product. Only you can assess that risk based on what or who the modifying company is by past reputation/experience.
Stu
Stu
Good post.
Brian
I fail to see what is inflamatory about telling the truth ? I am not trying to fight you for this business, you have negotiated a good deal with Alan at EE and I wish you well with it.
However some clients buying new cars and wishing to modify still want their cake etc. I accept that fitting brakes or cat back system is no real threat to warranty and most sensible manufacturers regional engineers would not dispute this, unless they were under pressure to reduce the warranty cost per unit by refusing anything that looked marginal. Influencing this then becomes difficult.
A forced induction installation to an NA engine will introduce stress beyond the original finite element parameters used in modern car design and manufacture.To expect any manufacturer to accept warranty on the engine, gearbox, prop shaft, universal joints, diff, steering rack, wheel bearings etc after such an install would be naieve. If you as the supplier issue a warranty on these items then there is no problem.You have intimated that on a sale by sale basis that this may be the case ?
Allan
>> Edited by weltmeister on Thursday 6th October 11:12
Good post.
Brian
I fail to see what is inflamatory about telling the truth ? I am not trying to fight you for this business, you have negotiated a good deal with Alan at EE and I wish you well with it.
However some clients buying new cars and wishing to modify still want their cake etc. I accept that fitting brakes or cat back system is no real threat to warranty and most sensible manufacturers regional engineers would not dispute this, unless they were under pressure to reduce the warranty cost per unit by refusing anything that looked marginal. Influencing this then becomes difficult.
A forced induction installation to an NA engine will introduce stress beyond the original finite element parameters used in modern car design and manufacture.To expect any manufacturer to accept warranty on the engine, gearbox, prop shaft, universal joints, diff, steering rack, wheel bearings etc after such an install would be naieve. If you as the supplier issue a warranty on these items then there is no problem.You have intimated that on a sale by sale basis that this may be the case ?
Allan
>> Edited by weltmeister on Thursday 6th October 11:12
The moral of the story is go into this with proper research, ask the right questions and enter into any agreement with 'eyes wide open#.
If you are seriously concerned about your warranty do not make any modifications - simple really that is the only way to be sure.
Otherwise Stu's/Caspy's/Welts(in part don't know about the influencing bits so will not comment)comments above seem entirely reasonable to me. What any individual is having done how far that takes the car from its original spec against which the original warranty was supplied (and therefore the likely range of impact on OEM parts)and judging each case on its merits seems the only sensible way...also considering any additonal warranty a tuner/dealer etc. may provide on top.
Its common sense really! If it was your automotive business what woud you do?
If you are seriously concerned about your warranty do not make any modifications - simple really that is the only way to be sure.
Otherwise Stu's/Caspy's/Welts(in part don't know about the influencing bits so will not comment)comments above seem entirely reasonable to me. What any individual is having done how far that takes the car from its original spec against which the original warranty was supplied (and therefore the likely range of impact on OEM parts)and judging each case on its merits seems the only sensible way...also considering any additonal warranty a tuner/dealer etc. may provide on top.
Its common sense really! If it was your automotive business what woud you do?
So in the case of anything sourced from a dealer / importer you will be on your own.-Quote
That was an inflammatory remark, and not factual based on reality. Commercial agreements really dont have any place being discussed on here either.
It is a forum for info exchange etc. not petty squabbling. Lets leave it at that. U have my email if u wish to discuss further.
Apologies to the rest of the forum.
That was an inflammatory remark, and not factual based on reality. Commercial agreements really dont have any place being discussed on here either.
It is a forum for info exchange etc. not petty squabbling. Lets leave it at that. U have my email if u wish to discuss further.
Apologies to the rest of the forum.
As a supplier of tuning services our approach to warranties is as follows. We warranty our work, not the car itself. However, if we feel an issue with our work has caused a problem with the car, we will either contribute to solving the problem or will take full responsibility for solving the problem.
I believe Vauxhall have the same approach, and I'm not aware of any situation where one of our mutual customers has 'fallen in the middle'.
But that is not to say such a position may never occur, in which case the customer would definitely have an issue on his hands. Each side pointing at the other. That is a risk when performance modifying one's car, and it's best to be aware of it from the start.
In broad terms, I believe that mild tuning modifications properly carried out will not in the 'real world' affect a warranty. For example, an improved exhaust.
At the other end of the spectrum, it is prudent to assume a supercharger system will adversely affect the engine/drivetrain warranty.
As for ECU tuning, I believe it fair to point out to the customer the dangers. The manufacturer may or may not look unfavourably on a remap, but whilst I am unaware of their parameters for judgement, the customer is probably starting somewhat on the back foot if an argument erupts with Vauxhall.
Tim @ Linden Special Vehicles
I believe Vauxhall have the same approach, and I'm not aware of any situation where one of our mutual customers has 'fallen in the middle'.
But that is not to say such a position may never occur, in which case the customer would definitely have an issue on his hands. Each side pointing at the other. That is a risk when performance modifying one's car, and it's best to be aware of it from the start.
In broad terms, I believe that mild tuning modifications properly carried out will not in the 'real world' affect a warranty. For example, an improved exhaust.
At the other end of the spectrum, it is prudent to assume a supercharger system will adversely affect the engine/drivetrain warranty.
As for ECU tuning, I believe it fair to point out to the customer the dangers. The manufacturer may or may not look unfavourably on a remap, but whilst I am unaware of their parameters for judgement, the customer is probably starting somewhat on the back foot if an argument erupts with Vauxhall.
Tim @ Linden Special Vehicles
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At the other end of the spectrum, it is prudent to assume a supercharger system will adversely affect the engine/drivetrain warranty.
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In the USA a supercharger is about the only modification you can make without affecting your drive train warranty (except for catback I think). But at the end of the day I guess it comes down to the dealer's descision as to what caused the initial problem?
At the other end of the spectrum, it is prudent to assume a supercharger system will adversely affect the engine/drivetrain warranty.
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In the USA a supercharger is about the only modification you can make without affecting your drive train warranty (except for catback I think). But at the end of the day I guess it comes down to the dealer's descision as to what caused the initial problem?
I think thats generalising a bit. Some manufacturers may choose to stand over a warranty with a basic blower fitted, that makes very mild increases in power, but I highly doubt every manufacturer stands over every blower kit.
I think Magnassun will offer a warranty on their blower kits in basic form for the LS1. But they dont exactly push power to the extremes. Even then, a lot is dependant on how the car is tuned/mapped.
Even a re-map by an idiot could casue your engine to blow.
I think Magnassun will offer a warranty on their blower kits in basic form for the LS1. But they dont exactly push power to the extremes. Even then, a lot is dependant on how the car is tuned/mapped.
Even a re-map by an idiot could casue your engine to blow.
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