The new Vantage?
Discussion
Jon39 said:
Why place an order and hand over a deposit for an unseen car ?
You could have one by ordering after it has been launched.
I suppose it might ensure an invite to a pre-launch Gaydon viewing.
I had my name down for DB11 before it was finalised, and again on the end of line V8 Defender when that was a rumour but expected to be very limited production. Both with a view to being able to secure one without an extended wait and/or turn out to have missed the boat.
Minglar said:
I don’t think it’s that unusual to place a EOI/deposit on a car unseen. Is the deposit refundable should you change your mind after your private viewing? I’m a little surprised at the lead time though. I was kind of hoping we’d get to see this car before the end of this year, but from what you’ve said it seems unlikely now. 
BRM.
exactly this ^^BRM.
in my experience Aston deposits are always fully refundable, but I guess times may have changed.
Ive places tons of orders for cars unseen in the past, not least of which my current V12VSM (although admittedly only the 7spd manual box was unseen), but regardless Ive done it many times. Porsche GT cars are a very common car to do that with - indeed if you dont do it you simply wont get one end of, because by the time its announced they genuinely are sold out.
Regardless even with a car like the new new vantage which wont sell out, you may have a wait of a year or more to get one to your own spec, so placing a refundable deposit in advance ensures you get one much sooner. By the time the car hits the press tons of people will walk in and place an order, literally the waiting list doubles within a week of the press release on such cars, even if a year or two down the line when the new model frenzy subsides it then has no waiting list.
Edited by AdamV12V on Monday 18th September 11:43
As already mentioned above, it gives you options. Wait times are extensive for individually specced cars. And no one is getting any younger! I know that all EOI's at my dealer are now accounted for. Should I not want a vehicle from the Initial production run, I can get the delivery deferred to when it suits me to take delivery and be at the front of the next run, for example.
Delivery to the other side of the world could take around 2 months - so car-in-hand ETA could be 3rd-4th QTR 2024 depending on where you live etc. Still very much up in the air. Some dealers were advising me that an official announcement will be made by the end of 2023. Cars would be expected to be delivered ~6 months after that.
The deposit is 100% refundable should circumstances change or if the car is simply not to my liking.
I had my initial doubts in 2018 when I viewed a launch vehicle of the current Vantage. It certainly did not photograph well. I identified several short-comings & decided not to purchase. Who could forget the pea-shooter exhaust pipes?
However, I have come to regard it as actually a very well-designed and attractive car. Especially on the road with the new front grille. Far and away superior to any Porsche 911 to my eye. Or any car in its class for that matter. I do wish they'd keep the side-mirror design but that looks to be taken now from the DB12....
Given the substantial price bump, I certainly won't be purchasing if the new car doesn't meet my expectations - ie: no less than brilliant!
Delivery to the other side of the world could take around 2 months - so car-in-hand ETA could be 3rd-4th QTR 2024 depending on where you live etc. Still very much up in the air. Some dealers were advising me that an official announcement will be made by the end of 2023. Cars would be expected to be delivered ~6 months after that.
The deposit is 100% refundable should circumstances change or if the car is simply not to my liking.
I had my initial doubts in 2018 when I viewed a launch vehicle of the current Vantage. It certainly did not photograph well. I identified several short-comings & decided not to purchase. Who could forget the pea-shooter exhaust pipes?
However, I have come to regard it as actually a very well-designed and attractive car. Especially on the road with the new front grille. Far and away superior to any Porsche 911 to my eye. Or any car in its class for that matter. I do wish they'd keep the side-mirror design but that looks to be taken now from the DB12....
Given the substantial price bump, I certainly won't be purchasing if the new car doesn't meet my expectations - ie: no less than brilliant!
AlexT said:
Apart from what has already been mentioned by various posters, all I know so far is that the Next-Gen Vantage will likely be delivered around Q4 2024 and cost around 20% more than the outgoing model.
I have a deposit down on this Next-Gen model as an EOI.
Hoping AM give it their best.
Wow, 20% that's a lot. Creeping up into Huracan territory. I have a deposit down on this Next-Gen model as an EOI.
Hoping AM give it their best.
Thanks for the heads up Ninja. New owners will be on the look-out for issues. Not great if you have to keep giving the vehicle back to the dealer for a software update. One of the benefits of borrowing old tech is that it has been tried and tested. Hopefully AM sort out these things 100%.
From what I hear ABS issues, and minor module issues which are also impacting the DB12. The DB12 also had issues with ABS, but these are different on the Vantage.
I don't think AM are releasing any of the new updated cars until these issues are truly nailed, so no customer impact beyond delayed delivery for DB12. Whether AM delay public release of the Vantage due to these issues, not sure, although I believe some bits internally are still delayed.
I don't think AM are releasing any of the new updated cars until these issues are truly nailed, so no customer impact beyond delayed delivery for DB12. Whether AM delay public release of the Vantage due to these issues, not sure, although I believe some bits internally are still delayed.
I loved my £999 per month Andy Palmer special that I got in December 19. Midnight blue with gloss black external bits & grill with the lighter grey headlining (black makes car v v dark imho).
As mentioned engine was sublime at low revs but a bit droony at high touring speeds - wonder if rear diff was creating some extra noise (a problem that exists I understand). Handling was excellent at all speeds. Reaction from everyone was very very positive. Dealers (HMW supplied and Bristol) were excellent.
Highlights include most drives, but arriving on a grouse moor a couple of times (no one expected it to get up the driveway to the house/ meeting point). No it did not go any further! Same trip - leaving HdV Harrogate 0730 (for the moor) - when I got back 4 people said I woke them up! The view form out of the wing mirrors over the rear wheel arches. Warp speed from say 50 onwards to end of road.
Bad points: self inflicted - we live in the middle of no where with narrow devon banks and potholes so it was only ever clean when parked on the driveway! And soft paint on bonnet and rear wheel arches.
Car gone now - sold for £96k I think and owed £90k, so this 'gain' reduced ownership to about £10k over 22 months.
Thanks Andy - will return to brand when we move house.
As mentioned engine was sublime at low revs but a bit droony at high touring speeds - wonder if rear diff was creating some extra noise (a problem that exists I understand). Handling was excellent at all speeds. Reaction from everyone was very very positive. Dealers (HMW supplied and Bristol) were excellent.
Highlights include most drives, but arriving on a grouse moor a couple of times (no one expected it to get up the driveway to the house/ meeting point). No it did not go any further! Same trip - leaving HdV Harrogate 0730 (for the moor) - when I got back 4 people said I woke them up! The view form out of the wing mirrors over the rear wheel arches. Warp speed from say 50 onwards to end of road.
Bad points: self inflicted - we live in the middle of no where with narrow devon banks and potholes so it was only ever clean when parked on the driveway! And soft paint on bonnet and rear wheel arches.
Car gone now - sold for £96k I think and owed £90k, so this 'gain' reduced ownership to about £10k over 22 months.
Thanks Andy - will return to brand when we move house.
Robert-q32ja said:
I loved my £999 per month Andy Palmer special that I got in December 19. Midnight blue with gloss black external bits & grill with the lighter grey headlining (black makes car v v dark imho).
As mentioned engine was sublime at low revs but a bit droony at high touring speeds - wonder if rear diff was creating some extra noise (a problem that exists I understand). Handling was excellent at all speeds. Reaction from everyone was very very positive. Dealers (HMW supplied and Bristol) were excellent.
Highlights include most drives, but arriving on a grouse moor a couple of times (no one expected it to get up the driveway to the house/ meeting point). No it did not go any further! Same trip - leaving HdV Harrogate 0730 (for the moor) - when I got back 4 people said I woke them up! The view form out of the wing mirrors over the rear wheel arches. Warp speed from say 50 onwards to end of road.
Bad points: self inflicted - we live in the middle of no where with narrow devon banks and potholes so it was only ever clean when parked on the driveway! And soft paint on bonnet and rear wheel arches.
Car gone now - sold for £96k I think and owed £90k, so this 'gain' reduced ownership to about £10k over 22 months.
Thanks Andy - will return to brand when we move house.
I love this post - good for you to call it as it is (was)!As mentioned engine was sublime at low revs but a bit droony at high touring speeds - wonder if rear diff was creating some extra noise (a problem that exists I understand). Handling was excellent at all speeds. Reaction from everyone was very very positive. Dealers (HMW supplied and Bristol) were excellent.
Highlights include most drives, but arriving on a grouse moor a couple of times (no one expected it to get up the driveway to the house/ meeting point). No it did not go any further! Same trip - leaving HdV Harrogate 0730 (for the moor) - when I got back 4 people said I woke them up! The view form out of the wing mirrors over the rear wheel arches. Warp speed from say 50 onwards to end of road.
Bad points: self inflicted - we live in the middle of no where with narrow devon banks and potholes so it was only ever clean when parked on the driveway! And soft paint on bonnet and rear wheel arches.
Car gone now - sold for £96k I think and owed £90k, so this 'gain' reduced ownership to about £10k over 22 months.
Thanks Andy - will return to brand when we move house.
I have some idea what it now looks like (you may wish to read that in more "confident" terms).
Be prepared for a mix of DBR22 headlights (but with DB12 style internals), V12 Vantage front bumper vents either side (with a smaller mouth), DB12 esque bonnet with less creases. The controversial bit will be the side gills which are DB10 style, but much bigger with the little Aston Martin bit stolen from the DB12 and put at the front of it with the same line leading into the door (which used to be where the gill on the pre facelift came out a little) on the new wing following the removal of the half clamshell bonnet.
Anything further back is generally identical minus the mirrors and a few minor cosmetic changes like larger exhaust tips.
Be prepared for a mix of DBR22 headlights (but with DB12 style internals), V12 Vantage front bumper vents either side (with a smaller mouth), DB12 esque bonnet with less creases. The controversial bit will be the side gills which are DB10 style, but much bigger with the little Aston Martin bit stolen from the DB12 and put at the front of it with the same line leading into the door (which used to be where the gill on the pre facelift came out a little) on the new wing following the removal of the half clamshell bonnet.
Anything further back is generally identical minus the mirrors and a few minor cosmetic changes like larger exhaust tips.
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 8th November 15:58
Ninja59 said:
I have some idea what it now looks like (you may wish to read that in more "confident" terms).
Be prepared for a mix of DBR22 headlights (but with DB12 style internals), V12 Vantage front bumper vents either side (with a smaller mouth), DB12 esque bonnet with less creases. The controversial bit will be the side gills which are DB10 style, but much bigger with the little Aston Martin bit stolen from the DB12 and put at the front of it with the same line leading into the door (which used to be where the gill on the pre facelift came out a little) on the new wing following the removal of the half clamshell bonnet.
Anything further back is generally identical minus the mirrors and a few minor cosmetic changes like larger exhaust tips.
Interesting, detailed info as well. Thanks Ninja! Also for the info around the delay. Be prepared for a mix of DBR22 headlights (but with DB12 style internals), V12 Vantage front bumper vents either side (with a smaller mouth), DB12 esque bonnet with less creases. The controversial bit will be the side gills which are DB10 style, but much bigger with the little Aston Martin bit stolen from the DB12 and put at the front of it with the same line leading into the door (which used to be where the gill on the pre facelift came out a little) on the new wing following the removal of the half clamshell bonnet.
Anything further back is generally identical minus the mirrors and a few minor cosmetic changes like larger exhaust tips.
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 8th November 15:58
I am repeating myself but I can not get over it: I wish they changed the rear. Its too much for me. I'd really like to see a more elegant option. That would be something AM could look into. Instead of a special that is more agressive, like most brands do with a special and higher horsepower etc, AM could do a more elegant version. That would fit the brand and set them apart. Please look into this AM!
Edited by Ghini on Wednesday 8th November 16:26
Ghini said:
Interesting, detailed info as well. Thanks Ninja! Also for the info around the delay.
I am repeating myself but I can not get over it: I wish they changed the rear. Its too much for me. I'd really like to see a more elegant option. That would be something AM could look into. Instead of a special that is more agressive, like most brands do with a special and higher horsepower etc, AM could do a more elegant version. That would fit the brand and set them apart. Please look into this AM!
They won't change the rear as that means quite a lot of structural changes and body panel changes. In essence AM have focused on the most expensive and time consuming areas to reduce production cost by not having full clamshell or half clamshell bonnets which are expensive to produce and time consuming to profile to tolerances and not hit other panels (and even then potentially need in service rectification). I am repeating myself but I can not get over it: I wish they changed the rear. Its too much for me. I'd really like to see a more elegant option. That would be something AM could look into. Instead of a special that is more agressive, like most brands do with a special and higher horsepower etc, AM could do a more elegant version. That would fit the brand and set them apart. Please look into this AM!
Edited by Ghini on Wednesday 8th November 16:26
I like the back end, but appreciate your point of view and design is quite subjective.
In regards to power I have it on fairly good word that it is the DB12 engine with revised rear suspension bringing it closer to the F1 version. Which if you don't mind the pre facelift and slightly less power then maybe the answer is to pick an F1 version up (which is sort of an idea of mine ironically).
If you are after DB12 test drives as well I have heard all DB12s in the wild, in the UK at least, which are pre production vehicles, are heading back to Gaydon for a software update. Apparently it is nearly "sorted", although specific regions will see delays into next year.
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 8th November 16:40
Thanks Ninja for the insider info on the New New Vantage! What I dislike the most on the soon to be old New Vantage is the front and the interior, I quite like the rear actually to the point I now find that the rear of the old Vantage now dates it quite a bit.
So if these two points are addressed, I’d probably be up for it to replace my V12VSR.
Or maybe wait for the New New last ever V12 Vantage they promised they would never make but with Aston you’re always in for surprises so they may actually launch a now promised this is the last V12 Vantage ever! Who knows?
So if these two points are addressed, I’d probably be up for it to replace my V12VSR.
Or maybe wait for the New New last ever V12 Vantage they promised they would never make but with Aston you’re always in for surprises so they may actually launch a now promised this is the last V12 Vantage ever! Who knows?
CSK1 said:
Thanks Ninja for the insider info on the New New Vantage! What I dislike the most on the soon to be old New Vantage is the front and the interior, I quite like the rear actually to the point I now find that the rear of the old Vantage now dates it quite a bit.
So if these two points are addressed, I’d probably be up for it to replace my V12VSR.
Or maybe wait for the New New last ever V12 Vantage they promised they would never make but with Aston you’re always in for surprises so they may actually launch a now promised this is the last V12 Vantage ever! Who knows?
Unlikely the V12 due to emissions legislation and there is already further "tuning" for DB12. So if these two points are addressed, I’d probably be up for it to replace my V12VSR.
Or maybe wait for the New New last ever V12 Vantage they promised they would never make but with Aston you’re always in for surprises so they may actually launch a now promised this is the last V12 Vantage ever! Who knows?
Aston apparently have the V8 at 715, an important number as that is as powerful as the original DBSS. I suspect with a bit more it would be very close to the 770 ultimate.
Regarding interior I cannot comment but to say expect similar to the DB12 shrunken down I suspect
Yes and I was told there would be a big price hike.
I know the V8 is a great engine and powerful enough, I have one in my DBX707 and boy does it shift this big lump of a car, but a V12 is special though. Maybe they can get away with emissions by doing a limited production run like they did with the last iteration but the price will be sky high!
I know the V8 is a great engine and powerful enough, I have one in my DBX707 and boy does it shift this big lump of a car, but a V12 is special though. Maybe they can get away with emissions by doing a limited production run like they did with the last iteration but the price will be sky high!
Ghini said:
.... AM could do a more elegant version. That would fit the brand and set them apart. Please look into this AM!
They won't take any notice of you.
At a St. Athan open day, I was shown some sketches by one of the senior designers, showing the forthcoming 2018 Vantage.
I was amazed at the front appearance, so therefore told the designer, "That won't go down at all well, with your repeat buying existing customers".
Shortly after that, I was offered the Mystic Ned job.
Wonder how many lost £millions I could have saved them, if only they had listened?
Dewi 2 said:
They won't take any notice of you.
At a St. Athan open day, I was shown some sketches by one of the senior designers, showing the forthcoming 2018 Vantage.
I was amazed at the front appearance, so therefore told the designer, "That won't go down at all well, with your repeat buying existing customers".
Shortly after that, I was offered the Mystic Ned job.
Wonder how many lost £millions I could have saved them, if only they had listened?
Thanks for the update Ninja. Was that a private viewing or details gleaned from your contacts at AML? Fully understand if you’d rather not say. I guess it’s pretty much what we expected ie predictable changes to the front and interior, but essentially unchanged at the rear. Be careful you don’t divulge too much on here though. They do check in here from time to time and they can get a bit antsy, particularly if NDAs have been involved. 
BRM.
BRM.
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