Can Aston Martin Survive in the Electric Vehicle Era?
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Electric vehicles may not catch fire more often than ICs, but when they do, putting out the fire becomes a major problem.
A recent EV blaze was a parked Vauxhall Vivaro electric van in Cornwall.
A charging cable was connected, but photo evidence reveals a white light not a green light (ie. not charging).
The van and the van owners' home were both destroyed.
One report ref. the Luton Airport fire, mentions the driver of a Range Rover getting out of his vehicle, as it caught fire.
Therefore, possibly not an EV.
There's not much mention of the cause other than 'a car', but I found this:
https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
Simpo Two said:
There's not much mention of the cause other than 'a car', but I found this:
https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
what? the sun has run an anti ev story for the last 150 days or so. don't think it would hold back if it had a whiff of this being an EV at the heart of this.https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
Simpo Two said:
There's not much mention of the cause other than 'a car', but I found this:
https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
Maybe its best to wait for the official news? https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/VIDEO-Luton-a...
'According to sources from the emergency services, the source of the fire is from the Tesla charge point on the top floor of the car park, where an electric car was left on charge and overheated causing the lithium battery to explode.'
Perhaps if it was, the media are keeping quiet about it as it would 'send out the wrong message', to use Blairspeak.
There is a clip of a range rover on fire, claiming to be at Luton, that's also unverified. I guess in this world if its ICE, it'll just be "one of those things"
bbc said:
Posted at 10:3510:35
Fire likely started in a diesel car - fire chief
Fire chief Andy Hopkinson says it is thought the fire started with a diesel car, and then spread through the car park.
He said up to 1,500 vehicles could have been in the car park, which has a capacity of 1,900, at the time of the fire.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-beds-buck...Fire likely started in a diesel car - fire chief
Fire chief Andy Hopkinson says it is thought the fire started with a diesel car, and then spread through the car park.
He said up to 1,500 vehicles could have been in the car park, which has a capacity of 1,900, at the time of the fire.
dbs2000 said:
I guess in this world if its ICE, it'll just be "one of those things"
Well, everybody knows petrol is highly inflammable.bbc said:
Fire chief Andy Hopkinson says it is thought the fire started with a diesel car
Diesel - which you can drop a lighted match into and the match goes out...Perhaps CCTV will show how it started.
dbs2000 said:
^ the "fire chief" literally said its diesel. At this moment in time, he's probably the expert. I can't imagine him guessing what started it without decent evidence.
No, Fire chief Andy Hopkinson said 'it is thought...' - and if there was decent evidence he wouldn't need to guess.The jury's out.
You may want to skip through the adverts, but there are lots of points here that make fire chief's assertion seem rather economical with the truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
Simpo Two said:
You may want to skip through the adverts, but there are lots of points here that make fire chief's assertion seem rather economical with the truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
The fire was extinguished within a number of hours.
In the example of the recent North Sea car transporter ship fire, they had to let the fire continue until it burnt out over several days.
There was a considerable proportion of EVs on that ship, more than one would expect in a random car park, so perhaps that might explain the difference.
The time taken to extinguish a fire is the difference between EV and IC.
Also IC fires do not occur after a vehicle has been parked for a while and is cold.
Any fuel leaks would just drip on the ground, without being in contact with very hot components.
EV fires seem to occur at completely random moments, irrespective of whether the car is in use, or not.
Having to stop all flights caused a major problem at Luton involving we are told 40,000 passengers.
In the future, with the plan for us all to have EVs, imagine how long airports would have to close, when car fire incident occur.
They would not accept the likeihood of that happening, so presumably parking would be moved away from the airport sites.
Simpo Two said:
You may want to skip through the adverts, but there are lots of points here that make fire chief's assertion seem rather economical with the truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
Jeez - I hope it doesn’t turn out to be some sort of issue with hybrid diesel Rangies (rare things, briefly available in full fat and sport form between 2014 and 2016 and very few sold)…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0MWDsueMY&ab...
The finger points very strongly to a hybrid diesel, right down to the nature and position of the fire.
But it wasn't as Aston, and that's the main thing :-)
I’ve got one and it’s current sat in a storage facility, on charge and alongside my Astons…
Calinours said:
I’ve got one and it’s current sat in a storage facility, on charge and alongside my Astons…
What's that flickering light on the horizon? 
Two things instantly made me suspicious about the 'official' view, and that was before I found the video. One was the nature of the fire (that clip was shown on the news last night), the other was the unusually quick way they said it was probably a diesel even though they didn't actually know.
Anyway, there will be an official report and that should tell the truth, whatever it may be.
Simpo Two said:
Anyway, there will be an official report and that should tell the truth, whatever it may be.
Oh yes, should always tell the truth.
Now, which truth have they asked for this time ?
Do they want the same as before, you know that official report we did, about banks closing customers accounts.
We concluded that no accounts at all had been closed. No bank had done anything wrong.
Mr. Farage's account was not within the time period that we were investigating, so we cannot comment on that.
Oh I know the CEO resigned, but that was due to personal reasons and had nothing to do with any blatant breaching of the first rule of banking, customer confidentiality. Nothing at all was wrong.
How is Simpkins getting on, with his official report ? Has he been able to prove that white is black yet ?
dbs2000 said:
Seems crazy in the UK. The DBS over here has gone from 84 /month insurance to 140 /month .... blamed on inflation. The Model 3, 60 / month
Lets not talk about the DBS road tax, 600 /year is practically free
Lets not talk about the DBS road tax, 600 /year is practically free
Premiums for insurance of almost every type, used to be based mainly on claims experience.
We do have the impression these days that it is more, 'how much money can we get from policyholders'.
Inflation of course has a bearing on the insurers costs, labour rates, parts costs etc., but some policyholders/areas/vehicles, just have more claims than others. Third party injury compensation, can represent a significant claims cost for insurers.
Inflation does have an upside for insurers, because a huge amount of 'float' money is held and that will now be earning interest again.
A claims ratio of 100% can be profitable once again.
E10 EFL, that's the registration plate of the TDV6 Land Rover that went up, much as many want it to be an EV they have been let down...
21.000 mile report I continue to love driving the Taycan CT 4S and filling it up for free from my roof past few months but as its wintry now its about £8 for 250 miles. The instaporn power delivery is so gratifying and the grip & handling are as good as the ride. I still love it. I realise I may have to amortise the cost over 10 years and then keep chickens in it!!!! And maybe the Daily Express physics lessons mean I park it a little further away from the house now!!
For Aston the extension to at least 2035 is absolutely appropriate and welcome. You do need one of each powertrain!
21.000 mile report I continue to love driving the Taycan CT 4S and filling it up for free from my roof past few months but as its wintry now its about £8 for 250 miles. The instaporn power delivery is so gratifying and the grip & handling are as good as the ride. I still love it. I realise I may have to amortise the cost over 10 years and then keep chickens in it!!!! And maybe the Daily Express physics lessons mean I park it a little further away from the house now!!
For Aston the extension to at least 2035 is absolutely appropriate and welcome. You do need one of each powertrain!
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