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codieskid said:
Few more colours, as requested. Oh, I am a designer by trade and was a relatively easy process to render. Just takes a bit of time and a couple of beers
AMR spec green with lime ascents
Dark green with tan interior
Orange with black trim
More beers for you Trev!!! Fantastic work!AMR spec green with lime ascents
Dark green with tan interior
Orange with black trim
Speedraser said:
I’ve always stated that, for me, it’s the engine itself that matters – changing the intake and exhaust (and the sump) doesn’t make an Aston Martin engine. This engine is exactly what I feared – unchanged in any way, but “tuned” to be “like” an Aston engine. That means it clearly isn’t. Do all those Astons running Quicksilver exhausts now have Quicksilver engines? Of course not. Do Ferraris with Tubi exhausts have Tubi engines? No.
About looking forward -- I am. And I see “Astons” with off-the-shelf AMG engines. That’s a crying shame. About what lies even further ahead, we obviously don’t know. Andy has said there was only enough budget to develop one real Aston engine, not two, and he chose the V12. Not a good excuse, but at least it gives me some hope that he “gets it,” that he believes having an Aston engine really does matter – otherwise he’d probably have just used a Benz V12 too. So, perhaps this sad use of someone-else’s off-the-shelf engine is a temporary thing, and the next engine will be the real thing. But the slope is very slippery, and I’m discouraged.
I don’t see the point at all in having allowing the “brand” to survive if it doesn’t really. If we continue down the slope and end up with “Astons” that use Benz platforms and engines, I’d rather see them exit the business with their dignity and integrity intact than be reduced to being a fraud. A Bentley Conti GT is a great car, but it’s not really a Bentley to me, which is why I’ve never desired one. Better plan: if Aston can’t afford to build real Astons in their current market positioning, then go further upmarket, cut volume, spend the money to build real Astons, make them spectacular and charge a lot of money. I won’t be able to afford them, but the marque would be able to hold its head up high.
Well said.About looking forward -- I am. And I see “Astons” with off-the-shelf AMG engines. That’s a crying shame. About what lies even further ahead, we obviously don’t know. Andy has said there was only enough budget to develop one real Aston engine, not two, and he chose the V12. Not a good excuse, but at least it gives me some hope that he “gets it,” that he believes having an Aston engine really does matter – otherwise he’d probably have just used a Benz V12 too. So, perhaps this sad use of someone-else’s off-the-shelf engine is a temporary thing, and the next engine will be the real thing. But the slope is very slippery, and I’m discouraged.
I don’t see the point at all in having allowing the “brand” to survive if it doesn’t really. If we continue down the slope and end up with “Astons” that use Benz platforms and engines, I’d rather see them exit the business with their dignity and integrity intact than be reduced to being a fraud. A Bentley Conti GT is a great car, but it’s not really a Bentley to me, which is why I’ve never desired one. Better plan: if Aston can’t afford to build real Astons in their current market positioning, then go further upmarket, cut volume, spend the money to build real Astons, make them spectacular and charge a lot of money. I won’t be able to afford them, but the marque would be able to hold its head up high.
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
codieskid said:
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
Now THAT looks spot on!! Great work (again) TrevApologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
codieskid said:
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
This is definitely the version I prefer. I like the aggressive designs and they have their place in the lineup, but the softer more classy look will suit a man of my vintage, I have no desire to thrash round a track and the current standard Vantage is very well judged between sportiness and svelte. Although I did like the AMR scheme you did Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
codieskid said:
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
Put a current Vanq front splitter on it. Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
Yes, that's certainly much better and more restrained. But other than the front grille treatment and the side strake, I'm struggling to see any meaningful difference between this and the DB10?
Don't get me wrong - I really like the DB10, but I you'd think AM would have tried a bit harder to differentiate the two cars.
Don't get me wrong - I really like the DB10, but I you'd think AM would have tried a bit harder to differentiate the two cars.
codieskid said:
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be.
Thoughts?
Trev
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be.
Thoughts?
Trev
The PHers who say they have already been shown the new model, will have signed the usual document, but even so, wish to show appropriate respect to AML.
However, one person did mention, it is a cross between a DB10 and a Vulcan.
I cannot see any Vulcan in your latest drawing Trevor, whereas the sketches appear to show a Vulcan front grille.
Great images codieskid!
The current Vantage has been on the streets for so long now that I think we've become so used to it that some of its beauty has been taken for granted. It's the most commonly seen Aston and therefore in danger of not being seen as special as some other variants.
I remember when I saw my first Vantage (Toro Red) on the road over 10 years ago and the look of it blew me away.
I'm sure the new Vantage will look equally terrific, especially if they keep it to similarly compact dimensions.
The current Vantage has been on the streets for so long now that I think we've become so used to it that some of its beauty has been taken for granted. It's the most commonly seen Aston and therefore in danger of not being seen as special as some other variants.
I remember when I saw my first Vantage (Toro Red) on the road over 10 years ago and the look of it blew me away.
I'm sure the new Vantage will look equally terrific, especially if they keep it to similarly compact dimensions.
Hi all
MY best guess is that the patent images are showing V12 Vantage with the Vulcan styling parts and additional aero bits. If you look at the patent sketches you can see that the car has a line on the bonnet indicating a possible bonnet bulge which is similar to shape of the one on the current V12. I think that would be a good move to help differentiate the V8 and V12's further, the V8 for elegant looks and the V12 for a more aggressive experience but could also indicated some AMR version or options as Aston are keen to build that brand out.
Also I know my renders are very close to the DB10 and I think the public response was so positive to that car that Aston will include quite a lot of that design language into the finished design. The areas I am not sure about yet though are the headlight design and front grill. I hope they come up with an interesting headlamp design as the shape in the renders reminds me of an Mazda MX5 so they will need to be well designed within that shape. Also missing is registration plate so I assume there will be some mounting point somewhere which may change the grill areas significantly.
I've got everything crossed that the new car will be a hit as I am seriously considering one for myself if they get it right. Anyone have any ideas on pricing?
Trev
MY best guess is that the patent images are showing V12 Vantage with the Vulcan styling parts and additional aero bits. If you look at the patent sketches you can see that the car has a line on the bonnet indicating a possible bonnet bulge which is similar to shape of the one on the current V12. I think that would be a good move to help differentiate the V8 and V12's further, the V8 for elegant looks and the V12 for a more aggressive experience but could also indicated some AMR version or options as Aston are keen to build that brand out.
Also I know my renders are very close to the DB10 and I think the public response was so positive to that car that Aston will include quite a lot of that design language into the finished design. The areas I am not sure about yet though are the headlight design and front grill. I hope they come up with an interesting headlamp design as the shape in the renders reminds me of an Mazda MX5 so they will need to be well designed within that shape. Also missing is registration plate so I assume there will be some mounting point somewhere which may change the grill areas significantly.
I've got everything crossed that the new car will be a hit as I am seriously considering one for myself if they get it right. Anyone have any ideas on pricing?
Trev
I know it's been said before, but, in view of the power potential of the AMG V8 engine, I don't think we are going to see a new V12 Vantage anytime soon, if at all.
Let's face it, the AMG GT-R has 577BHP with the potential to push it further, why would you put extra weight in the car for marginal power gains?
Currently 503BHP in the DB11 V8, mirrored by the new 'Standard' Vantage, with the S at approx 577BHP & some 'Specials' at 600BHP is more likely I would wager?
Let's face it, the AMG GT-R has 577BHP with the potential to push it further, why would you put extra weight in the car for marginal power gains?
Currently 503BHP in the DB11 V8, mirrored by the new 'Standard' Vantage, with the S at approx 577BHP & some 'Specials' at 600BHP is more likely I would wager?
Edited by HBradley on Thursday 6th July 14:31
codieskid said:
Also I know my renders are very close to the DB10 and I think the public response was so positive to that car that Aston will include quite a lot of that design language into the finished design.
Anyone have any ideas on pricing?
Trev
Anyone have any ideas on pricing?
Trev
Remember that the DB10 only came into being, as the result of Sam Mendes seeing a drawing of the Vantage successor. To speed completion of the DB10, it was an altered 4.7 Vantage. If that original design has been maintained, then the new car will obviously look DB10ish.
The rumour mill pricing is £120,000 plus options.
AML recently have been surprised by the level of demand. That has never been part of their business model before. They will take the opportunity of moving as far up market as possible.
If you can wait for a 3 year old (the normal smart money time), then perhaps £70,000 including options.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 6th July 15:46
Jon39 said:
The rumour mill pricing is £120,000 plus options.
AML recently have been surprised by the level of demand. That has never been part of their business model before. They will take the opportunity of moving as far up market as possible.
If you can wait for a 3 year old (the normal smart money time), then perhaps £70,000 including options.
if It's going to be 120k+options and good on design, (relatively decent on) sound, on the performance department (as I've heard) and on reliability, I bet you won't see them priced at £70k in 3 years time (as per current market dynamics)....if this is what you mean.AML recently have been surprised by the level of demand. That has never been part of their business model before. They will take the opportunity of moving as far up market as possible.
If you can wait for a 3 year old (the normal smart money time), then perhaps £70,000 including options.
Few reasons (aside macro-economy considerations):
- SUPPLY:at £120k+options (say another £15k Min.) they won't sell loads, hence I don't see previous gen Astons' depreciation curve being applicable to the new Vantage
- ALTERNATIVES - SAME MARKET SEGMENT: If perceived as a really good product, it would surely be trading at premiums over a "Porsche equivalent" of the same vintage, say a Carrera GTS (and their value are strong, way above £70k in the secondary market)
- PRICE SUPPORT - LACK OF ALTERNATIVES <=£70k: Example: It has been years that good examples of the (current) Vantage 4.7 are trading at around the 50k mark...I don't see them going down with the newer car being launched at a significantly higher price point than the original Vantage's £85kish. Also, considering the lack of alternatives in the <£60k market segment if you are after a reasonably special, rather than mass-produced, car.
Interesting that they say a V12 is coming along with a manual box. If the V8 produces 500bhp, surely the V12 is going to be 650+.......which is f'ing mental 
For fear of being shot though, I'd love to try the V12 with a proper dual-clutch jobby, I bet that would be a serious bit of kit.
Does anybody know exactly when we're actually going to get to see the new Vantage in release form ?
For fear of being shot though, I'd love to try the V12 with a proper dual-clutch jobby, I bet that would be a serious bit of kit.
Does anybody know exactly when we're actually going to get to see the new Vantage in release form ?
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