RSC - Blown V8 Vantage - Order yours Now
Discussion
I had heard from some one that knows these thing. I.e. does tuning in US and UK. That Aston owners in the Uk are open to bugger all tuning of their cars unless factory sanctioned.
We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
BTW many Astons back in the day (60's and 70's) had alot of tuning by non-factory firms as did alot first gen V8 (Maerak I thing designed engines) cars. Many 60's straight 6 road and weekend racers had alot of tuning back in the day.
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
BTW many Astons back in the day (60's and 70's) had alot of tuning by non-factory firms as did alot first gen V8 (Maerak I thing designed engines) cars. Many 60's straight 6 road and weekend racers had alot of tuning back in the day.
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
jellison said:
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
No, it comes up with a crane hire firm - http://www.marshplant.com/
Mugabe Gould said:
its horrid and only suitable for dictators of small repressed African states who will also love those wheels (hope not to many dictators of small African states will be offended)
1. Poor People.2. Gap Finance.
3. Any other Finance.
4. Ready-made bow ties.
5. Germans.
6. Tracked Cars.
7. AM Sat Nav.
8. Divorce.
9. 007 Plates.
10. Apologising.
11. Over-revving engines.
12. Mingers.
13. Blind old Gits.
14. Fatties.
15. Salesmen.
16. Bloody Peasants.
17. Jaguars.
18. Turbo Chargers on Astons.
19. African Dictators.
You're beginning to give me a nose bleed Mr Gould
michael gould said:
an after thought turbo charger on an Aston Martin.....how bloody awful......put it on my list Mr Jockman
Its VERY different to a turbo
Its a supercharger which AM have already done themselves.
Plus with current environmental pressure I would lay money AM will go to a turbo engine in the not too distant future
Jockman said:
Mugabe Gould said:
its horrid and only suitable for dictators of small repressed African states who will also love those wheels (hope not to many dictators of small African states will be offended)
1. Poor People.2. Gap Finance.
3. Any other Finance.
4. Ready-made bow ties.
5. Germans.
6. Tracked Cars.
7. AM Sat Nav.
8. Divorce.
9. 007 Plates.
10. Apologising.
11. Over-revving engines.
12. Mingers.
13. Blind old Gits.
14. Fatties.
15. Salesmen.
16. Bloody Peasants.
17. Jaguars.
18. Turbo Chargers on Astons.
19. African Dictators.
You're beginning to give me a nose bleed Mr Gould
I didn't say i disliked African dictators......in fact, im rather fond of them.....also i am a blind old git, so best take that off the list.......You might get a Knighthood for being keeper of "the list" Mr Jockman....I will have a word with Lizzie next time I see her
George H said:
jellison said:
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
No, it comes up with a crane hire firm - http://www.marshplant.com/jellison said:
ry marsh Plant and Aston! And Gerry Marshall (ever heard of him?). If you own and Aston and have not, really you should reconsider your purchase.
No I haven't heard of him, I will drop off my car at the dealers this afternoon 
Like I am going to know of some mediocre racing driver in the 70s when I wasn't born until 1988. Not as if he was a world famous F1 champion or anything.
JohnG1 said:
I do wonder how this will run under extreme stress situations? How many development miles and how much testing has been done? Did they run at low altitude in extreme heat? High altitude in extreme heat? In a series of linked high G corners?
My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
+1 My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
I have personal experience of this fitting a 12 psi super charger to my last car.
IMHO there are a few key considerations;
1) It MUST have real time air/fuel ratio monitoring from a wide band O2 sensor linked dymanically to the map. Tis will correct the issues John mentions plus a host of others (fuel quality, ambient temp, atmospheric pressure etc) This is THE biggest issue.
2) Power = heat so improvements MUST be made to the oil, gearbox and water cooling systems
3) Consideration needs to be given to the capability of the drive train and brakes to cope with the extra loads.
4) Another major stumbling block is integrating the required electronics in to the OEM electronics. It is getting hard with CanBus systems as it is essential a network of PC's and software driven
Som messing usually means other thing don't work (on my last car certain kits stopped the ABS and immobiliser working 
)jellison said:
I had heard from some one that knows these thing. I.e. does tuning in US and UK. That Aston owners in the Uk are open to bugger all tuning of their cars unless factory sanctioned.
We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
The perception is the risk is too high.We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
I spent ~£30k messing with FI on my last car so I'm probably the most open minded of the UK AM owners.
I wouldn't do it with out some long term data on reliability and performance.
NONE of the tuning companies offering SC's on AM's have this.
BTW NONE of the tuning firms warranty the drive train only the parts they fit
The issue with OEM warrantied cars is the OEM has a perfect reason to decline warranty claims Very wise analysis JohnG1........
V8 Vantage
+
Pressure charger
+
standard crank
+
sintered (not steel) connecting rods
+
cast (production) not forged pistons
+
inadequate cooling pack
+
no sign off trip to exacting standards to Nurburgring or -20 / +30 degree climates
= blown engine and dubious driveability ...... complete disaster.......
This 'supposed' performance increase exceeds what GT4 cars run on uprated parts - The report justifying how these 'specialists' have signed-off the kit compliant on standard engine internals and cooling pack would be a report I would love to read..!!
I would really like to see in-cylinder pressure data reporting Pmax / Pmean pre and post this modification. If the delta in performance is taken to calculate a rough BMEP then the limits of the standard piston are compromised. I fear that these measurements are ones not understood let alone measured during 'development'.
For information, my sponsored area contains a more detailed analysis of this ... improvement....??
V8 Vantage
+
Pressure charger
+
standard crank
+
sintered (not steel) connecting rods
+
cast (production) not forged pistons
+
inadequate cooling pack
+
no sign off trip to exacting standards to Nurburgring or -20 / +30 degree climates
= blown engine and dubious driveability ...... complete disaster.......
This 'supposed' performance increase exceeds what GT4 cars run on uprated parts - The report justifying how these 'specialists' have signed-off the kit compliant on standard engine internals and cooling pack would be a report I would love to read..!!
I would really like to see in-cylinder pressure data reporting Pmax / Pmean pre and post this modification. If the delta in performance is taken to calculate a rough BMEP then the limits of the standard piston are compromised. I fear that these measurements are ones not understood let alone measured during 'development'.
For information, my sponsored area contains a more detailed analysis of this ... improvement....??
Edited by BamfordMike on Thursday 21st July 12:54
When I was growing up, my Dad had a couple of old Astons and I seem to recall him taking mum and me to Brands Hatch during the 80s to see Gerry Marshall in a DB4, DB5 or DB6 (Can't remember that far back).
The thing about humanity is that we can never keep still. We will always take something 'perfect' and try to make it 'better' (inverted commas indicating words are purely subjective), that's just the way we are. Humanity will always take something apart to see if they can work out how it ticks, then improve upon it. That way lies innovation.
Whether we agree with what RSC have done (and I don't, and the car looks like it was modified by a blind drunkard on acid, in my opinion) we have to commend them for at least having a go. There are those people that will never be happy with whatever vehicle they own and have a higher appetite for risk than others and that's no bad thing as it allows the innovations mentioned above to push forward technology. I don't know if RSC have sunk millions into the Supercharger like Jag have done on theirs for instance but I doubt they have. In this case, it means they need people to take the risk for them and agree to have their cars modified and then test them in real world situations, I would imagine.
Would I have an RSC supercharger on my car? Dear god no. For me, an Aston isn't just about Clarkson's propensity for POWERRRRRRR, it is about refinement, beauty and automotive excellence.
The thing about humanity is that we can never keep still. We will always take something 'perfect' and try to make it 'better' (inverted commas indicating words are purely subjective), that's just the way we are. Humanity will always take something apart to see if they can work out how it ticks, then improve upon it. That way lies innovation.
Whether we agree with what RSC have done (and I don't, and the car looks like it was modified by a blind drunkard on acid, in my opinion) we have to commend them for at least having a go. There are those people that will never be happy with whatever vehicle they own and have a higher appetite for risk than others and that's no bad thing as it allows the innovations mentioned above to push forward technology. I don't know if RSC have sunk millions into the Supercharger like Jag have done on theirs for instance but I doubt they have. In this case, it means they need people to take the risk for them and agree to have their cars modified and then test them in real world situations, I would imagine.
Would I have an RSC supercharger on my car? Dear god no. For me, an Aston isn't just about Clarkson's propensity for POWERRRRRRR, it is about refinement, beauty and automotive excellence.
BamfordMike said:
Very wise analysis JohnG1........
V8 Vantage
+
Pressure charger
+
standard crank
+
sintered (not steel) connecting rods
+
cast (production) not forged pistons
+
inadequate cooling pack
+
no sign off trip to exacting standards to Nurburgring or -20 / +30 degree climates
= blown engine and dubious driveability ...... complete disaster.......
This 'supposed' performance increase exceeds what GT4 cars run on uprated parts - The report justifying how these 'specialists' have signed-off the kit compliant on standard engine internals and cooling pack would be a report I would love to read..!!
I would really like to see in-cylinder pressure data reporting Pmax / Pmean pre and post this modification. If the delta in performance is taken to calculate a rough BMEP then the limits of the standard piston are compromised. I fear that these measurements are ones not understood let alone measured during 'development'.
For information, my sponsored area contains a more detailed analysis of this ... improvement....??
Awaits post from the OP stating you are like the rest of us and know nothing!V8 Vantage
+
Pressure charger
+
standard crank
+
sintered (not steel) connecting rods
+
cast (production) not forged pistons
+
inadequate cooling pack
+
no sign off trip to exacting standards to Nurburgring or -20 / +30 degree climates
= blown engine and dubious driveability ...... complete disaster.......
This 'supposed' performance increase exceeds what GT4 cars run on uprated parts - The report justifying how these 'specialists' have signed-off the kit compliant on standard engine internals and cooling pack would be a report I would love to read..!!
I would really like to see in-cylinder pressure data reporting Pmax / Pmean pre and post this modification. If the delta in performance is taken to calculate a rough BMEP then the limits of the standard piston are compromised. I fear that these measurements are ones not understood let alone measured during 'development'.
For information, my sponsored area contains a more detailed analysis of this ... improvement....??
Edited by BamfordMike on Thursday 21st July 12:54
I think the tuning appetite for cars of this nature is pretty low (at least here in the UK) - so whilst its nice to have the option for extra ommpph, the interest is likely to be low.
I've owned and have modified cars in the past (mainly Japanese cars), but I think cars like Aston, Jaguars GT's, Ferrari etc hold an appeal of their own in terms of ownership proposition. There are pretty low numbers of tuned cars from my close observance of the classifieds, but it can't hurt to have some options for people to choose from.
Speaking for myself - I'd be delighted by the standard 380hp on offer and will drive my wifes Golf if I need to reset my expectations
I've owned and have modified cars in the past (mainly Japanese cars), but I think cars like Aston, Jaguars GT's, Ferrari etc hold an appeal of their own in terms of ownership proposition. There are pretty low numbers of tuned cars from my close observance of the classifieds, but it can't hurt to have some options for people to choose from.
Speaking for myself - I'd be delighted by the standard 380hp on offer and will drive my wifes Golf if I need to reset my expectations
krisdelta said:
I think the tuning appetite for cars of this nature is pretty low (at least here in the UK) - so whilst its nice to have the option for extra ommpph, the interest is likely to be low.
I've owned and have modified cars in the past (mainly Japanese cars), but I think cars like Aston, Jaguars GT's, Ferrari etc hold an appeal of their own in terms of ownership proposition. There are pretty low numbers of tuned cars from my close observance of the classifieds, but it can't hurt to have some options for people to choose from.
Speaking for myself - I'd be delighted by the standard 380hp on offer and will drive my wifes Golf if I need to reset my expectations
wise words Sir !I've owned and have modified cars in the past (mainly Japanese cars), but I think cars like Aston, Jaguars GT's, Ferrari etc hold an appeal of their own in terms of ownership proposition. There are pretty low numbers of tuned cars from my close observance of the classifieds, but it can't hurt to have some options for people to choose from.
Speaking for myself - I'd be delighted by the standard 380hp on offer and will drive my wifes Golf if I need to reset my expectations
mikey k said:
JohnG1 said:
I do wonder how this will run under extreme stress situations? How many development miles and how much testing has been done? Did they run at low altitude in extreme heat? High altitude in extreme heat? In a series of linked high G corners?
My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
+1 My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
I have personal experience of this fitting a 12 psi super charger to my last car.
IMHO there are a few key considerations;
1) It MUST have real time air/fuel ratio monitoring from a wide band O2 sensor linked dymanically to the map. Tis will correct the issues John mentions plus a host of others (fuel quality, ambient temp, atmospheric pressure etc) This is THE biggest issue.
2) Power = heat so improvements MUST be made to the oil, gearbox and water cooling systems
3) Consideration needs to be given to the capability of the drive train and brakes to cope with the extra loads.
4) Another major stumbling block is integrating the required electronics in to the OEM electronics. It is getting hard with CanBus systems as it is essential a network of PC's and software driven
Som messing usually means other thing don't work (on my last car certain kits stopped the ABS and immobiliser working )The issue with the Vantage (and alot of modern cars now) is that there is just one central ECU and not a separate engine one (as wil alot of US modern level cars). This is the problem that the numbties at Paramount had in that (well they could not do it themselves) they subcontracted out to company that claimed they could breakinto the all encompassing ecu (that control engine and EVERYTHING else on the car) and just remap the engine as required. But as so many things oon the engine side in these daft modern cars then link acros to other areas of the ecu this was imcredibly hard - did I say 2 years of Vantage ownership lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RSC are saying they have all these issue solved and the engine runs like a OE one with no lumps or bumps in the torque power curve.
The Only one that has been done in the UK (and since put back to standard) made and easy 530bhp, EVO tested it when the owner said it was pointless as not finished mapping (drivable but not really "right"), but I presume Paramount wanted the press and they did the test. Obviously it was not a glowing report (mentally fast but lumpy as hell - er like the owner told them cos it was not finished yet!!!!!!!!
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