Birds 1 Ceramic Coating 0
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two sheds said:
I’m sure V8LM understands polish workings far better than I but all l can say is that my problems with bird poo were over a year ago and the marks have not come back as yet and l would hope they never will.
Same as me. Mine were polished away about 6 months ago and it has been washed maybe 12 times since then as well as had the effects of the natural weathering.The super resin polish has cured it whatever is in it and the marks would not go by just intensive scrubbing/washing and drying alone.
Ahbefive said:
I had exactly the same thing on my Volvo, washing it didn't work, Super Resin Polish did.
Detailing world is the home of all obsessional detailers and have always recommended SRP for the quoted reasons below. It obviously also has fillers but it removes previously applied sealants and mild etching. “Otherwise, SRP will remove the previous coating, and will help with the remaining swirls and marks. It does have some cut (.5/10) but it's largely a safe product that can be used multiple times without worry.”
Emilio Largo said:
Wow!!
First of all, very sorry to hear this, starlight, but thank you and vpr for sharing your experiences! As I am unsure whether to go the PPF or ceramic coating route, I am always thankful to hear opinions on this matter.
Please let us know how you succeed in getting the marks removed, starlight.
But even if this can be polished out (which I hope): I thought the whole point of ceramic coating as opposed to waxing was protection of the paintwork at least against bird droppings (if not stonechips)??
Anybody else who had similar (or contrary) experiences as the OP with ceramic coating?
Ceramic will have absolutely no protection against chipsFirst of all, very sorry to hear this, starlight, but thank you and vpr for sharing your experiences! As I am unsure whether to go the PPF or ceramic coating route, I am always thankful to hear opinions on this matter.
Please let us know how you succeed in getting the marks removed, starlight.
But even if this can be polished out (which I hope): I thought the whole point of ceramic coating as opposed to waxing was protection of the paintwork at least against bird droppings (if not stonechips)??
Anybody else who had similar (or contrary) experiences as the OP with ceramic coating?
Your answer is PPF. The latest stuff is self healing and I had a bird poo mark on mine. Heated it up and it all disappeared
The ceramic coating technically does make the surface a bit harder and they definitely sell it as protecting against exactly this. Hope no snake oilage here as I'm quite a fan of CQuartz as dirt slides off and it always pings after a wash - without any extra 2 hours waxing needed on top.
Which one did you have on it and when was it applied?
Which one did you have on it and when was it applied?
Ken Figenus said:
The ceramic coating technically does make the surface a bit harder and they definitely sell it as protecting against exactly this. Hope no snake oilage here as I'm quite a fan of CQuartz as dirt slides off and it always pings after a wash - without any extra 2 hours waxing needed on top.
Which one did you have on it and when was it applied?
This was SiRamik, and was applied last October. The maintenance spray has been used every couple of months after decontamination / washing.Which one did you have on it and when was it applied?
Edited by starlight225 on Monday 2nd July 14:17
I had a very similar issue with my car a couple of years ago. The bodywork had been freshly detailed and a ceramic type coating applied. A few weeks later massive bird strike hit the bonnet but only noticed after a days hard driving on a hot day. Washed it off as soon as I could but there were marks very similar those posted by starlight225.
I tried a light polish on it but no joy. However, while doing some research I found evidence of a theory by Autoglym I think, which I can't find again just now, whereby the damage isn't caused by etching but rather the differential cooling of the clear coat underlying the bird crap, causing it to wrinkle as it cools down from a softened state (caused by hot weather). And theoretically once the clear coat gets hot enough again to soften it should smooth out/self heal
I was sceptical to say the least, but sure enough the damage to mine gradually disappeared with no further intervention from myself.
I assume this happened to you during this hot weather as well. So try getting it back out in the sun, probably takes a few repeated cycles to even it out. Worth a try.
I tried a light polish on it but no joy. However, while doing some research I found evidence of a theory by Autoglym I think, which I can't find again just now, whereby the damage isn't caused by etching but rather the differential cooling of the clear coat underlying the bird crap, causing it to wrinkle as it cools down from a softened state (caused by hot weather). And theoretically once the clear coat gets hot enough again to soften it should smooth out/self heal
I was sceptical to say the least, but sure enough the damage to mine gradually disappeared with no further intervention from myself.
I assume this happened to you during this hot weather as well. So try getting it back out in the sun, probably takes a few repeated cycles to even it out. Worth a try.
Further to BigMig, I read the reports he correctly quoted.
“According to car care product specialists Autoglym, however, damage actually results from cooling paint lacquer which contracts and hardens around the deposits. The good news is that damage can usually be avoided – but only if owners act fast.
The firm's researchers say that when paint lacquer warms – in sunlight, for instance – it softens and expands. At the same time, the heat dries and hardens any bird droppings on the surface. But as the paint lacquer cools again, such as overnight, it contracts, hardens and moulds itself around the texture of the bird dropping.
Afterwards, the "moulding" appears as dulled or etched paintwork. The light's reflection is interrupted by the imperfect surface, unlike the undamaged surrounding paint which gives off a clearer reflection.
To test its theory, Autoglym attacked paintwork with strongly acidic, neutral and strongly alkali bird dropping substitutes, with negligible differences in the damage caused. However, differences in paint damage were noted when the substitute bird deposits had varying degrees of grain-to-liquid content. A grainier texture caused greater light distortion (dullness) when the paint moulded around it.”
As they say, sort it as soon as possible but heat will help.
“According to car care product specialists Autoglym, however, damage actually results from cooling paint lacquer which contracts and hardens around the deposits. The good news is that damage can usually be avoided – but only if owners act fast.
The firm's researchers say that when paint lacquer warms – in sunlight, for instance – it softens and expands. At the same time, the heat dries and hardens any bird droppings on the surface. But as the paint lacquer cools again, such as overnight, it contracts, hardens and moulds itself around the texture of the bird dropping.
Afterwards, the "moulding" appears as dulled or etched paintwork. The light's reflection is interrupted by the imperfect surface, unlike the undamaged surrounding paint which gives off a clearer reflection.
To test its theory, Autoglym attacked paintwork with strongly acidic, neutral and strongly alkali bird dropping substitutes, with negligible differences in the damage caused. However, differences in paint damage were noted when the substitute bird deposits had varying degrees of grain-to-liquid content. A grainier texture caused greater light distortion (dullness) when the paint moulded around it.”
As they say, sort it as soon as possible but heat will help.
Ahbefive said:
So you have left it there for over a week rather than easily polish it away? Odd
Err no. My initial attempts at just polishing it out still resulted in a discernible mark. So I’m giving it a week to see if the marks disappear before contacting the guy who applied the SiRamik coating.starlight225 said:
vpr said:
I'm not sure about the hype around this Ceramic coating
I had my V12v done and its a pleasure to wash but I thought it protected against swirl marks, protected it against water marks and bird s
te but talking to an expert today he said the only benefit is that you won't need to polish it for 3 years. That's it.
Well having had a go with a bit of resin polish, upping to Meguiars scratch X2 on a polisher, the marks are still etched in - can feel it with my nails...I had my V12v done and its a pleasure to wash but I thought it protected against swirl marks, protected it against water marks and bird s
te but talking to an expert today he said the only benefit is that you won't need to polish it for 3 years. That's it.I too thought this coating would prevent this, obviously not...
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