Aston V12 Values
Discussion
bignoise said:
apologies for thread drift but are all is the clutch as bigger worry on the v12v as the single plate on the v8 is?
asking as I am looking to upgrade
Thanks
I don't think the twin plate clutch on the V12 has the same issues as the single plate one on the V8. Some of the early V12's had an annoying squeak from the release bearing which many had replaced under warranty asking as I am looking to upgrade
Thanks
I have been watching a lot of cars and it seems like the Vantage is doing an awful lot better than the other AM as well as Ferrari’s (California in particular), albeit still drifting back gently.
The price falls in used DB11 and discounting of new DB11/DBS has clearly weighed on DB9/DBS and even the last Vanquish. If you want a comfortable modern AM GT the new cars seem very attractive and even good value (used DB11 V12 for 95k vs a 9 year old DBS for similar?) and they are much more comfortable, which is key if you really are touring/cruising IMO.
The V12 Vantage is a higher ticket price than the V8 but they seem pretty robust and if your budget is sufficient it’s worth questioning if you want an older V12 vs a comparatively newer V8 for the same money. What is good is that the soft New Vantage prices, discounting and recent free upgrade doesn’t seem to be weighing on the old Vantage as their characters are so radically different and they are sports cars not GT, where there is a huge choice across high end brands and maybe owners are far more likely to switch to the latest thing regularly. Having driven both Vantages a fair bit I think they should have a given the new vantage a different name to reflect its character (perhaps BMF). Apart from odd cars that are just plain priced wrong the only VH Vantages that look set for a notable tumble are the GT8/GT12 with lots of sellers and no buyers. Shame many of these seem to be owned by collectors/investors rather than drivers.
The price falls in used DB11 and discounting of new DB11/DBS has clearly weighed on DB9/DBS and even the last Vanquish. If you want a comfortable modern AM GT the new cars seem very attractive and even good value (used DB11 V12 for 95k vs a 9 year old DBS for similar?) and they are much more comfortable, which is key if you really are touring/cruising IMO.
The V12 Vantage is a higher ticket price than the V8 but they seem pretty robust and if your budget is sufficient it’s worth questioning if you want an older V12 vs a comparatively newer V8 for the same money. What is good is that the soft New Vantage prices, discounting and recent free upgrade doesn’t seem to be weighing on the old Vantage as their characters are so radically different and they are sports cars not GT, where there is a huge choice across high end brands and maybe owners are far more likely to switch to the latest thing regularly. Having driven both Vantages a fair bit I think they should have a given the new vantage a different name to reflect its character (perhaps BMF). Apart from odd cars that are just plain priced wrong the only VH Vantages that look set for a notable tumble are the GT8/GT12 with lots of sellers and no buyers. Shame many of these seem to be owned by collectors/investors rather than drivers.
larger said:
I have been watching a lot of cars and it seems like the Vantage is doing an awful lot better than the other AM as well as Ferrari’s (California in particular), albeit still drifting back gently.
The price falls in used DB11 and discounting of new DB11/DBS has clearly weighed on DB9/DBS and even the last Vanquish. If you want a comfortable modern AM GT the new cars seem very attractive and even good value (used DB11 V12 for 95k vs a 9 year old DBS for similar?) and they are much more comfortable, which is key if you really are touring/cruising IMO.
The V12 Vantage is a higher ticket price than the V8 but they seem pretty robust and if your budget is sufficient it’s worth questioning if you want an older V12 vs a comparatively newer V8 for the same money. What is good is that the soft New Vantage prices, discounting and recent free upgrade doesn’t seem to be weighing on the old Vantage as their characters are so radically different and they are sports cars not GT, where there is a huge choice across high end brands and maybe owners are far more likely to switch to the latest thing regularly. Having driven both Vantages a fair bit I think they should have a given the new vantage a different name to reflect its character (perhaps BMF). Apart from odd cars that are just plain priced wrong the only VH Vantages that look set for a notable tumble are the GT8/GT12 with lots of sellers and no buyers. Shame many of these seem to be owned by collectors/investors rather than drivers.
Sorry chap. If you think GT8s are owned by collectors rather than people who drive them then you’ve been very badly misinformed. We had almost half the UK number turn up for a factory visit to Gaydon just a couple of weeks agoThe price falls in used DB11 and discounting of new DB11/DBS has clearly weighed on DB9/DBS and even the last Vanquish. If you want a comfortable modern AM GT the new cars seem very attractive and even good value (used DB11 V12 for 95k vs a 9 year old DBS for similar?) and they are much more comfortable, which is key if you really are touring/cruising IMO.
The V12 Vantage is a higher ticket price than the V8 but they seem pretty robust and if your budget is sufficient it’s worth questioning if you want an older V12 vs a comparatively newer V8 for the same money. What is good is that the soft New Vantage prices, discounting and recent free upgrade doesn’t seem to be weighing on the old Vantage as their characters are so radically different and they are sports cars not GT, where there is a huge choice across high end brands and maybe owners are far more likely to switch to the latest thing regularly. Having driven both Vantages a fair bit I think they should have a given the new vantage a different name to reflect its character (perhaps BMF). Apart from odd cars that are just plain priced wrong the only VH Vantages that look set for a notable tumble are the GT8/GT12 with lots of sellers and no buyers. Shame many of these seem to be owned by collectors/investors rather than drivers.
I would agreed with the comment on the GT12s though. The owners generally seem to be far more precious with those (I can only recall one who seems to use his) and the values are faintly ridiculous compared with the GT8
I've been keeping a track of prices for the last 9 months by collecting asking prices on autotrader. This is a summary of all the V12V adverts on autotrader taken at the start and (roughtly) mid-point in each month since October. For the average I have given the median price, which is the middle point at which half the adverts are above that price, this is because the mean can be strongly influenced by a few massively overpriced cars. There is also the mean of the cheapest 3, which gives an indication of where the bottom of the market is. Plus you have the median number of days that the various cars have been on sale to indicate how quickly cars are shifting.
This is if you just look at cars from 2009 to 2016, newer than that the price curve is skewed by the limited edition run-out cars and those taking an initial new-car hit.
Prices have tracked downwards, but honestly it's a pretty gentle decline. I keep similar data on Ferrari and Lambo prices and the V12V is holding on about as well as anything out there.
This is if you just look at cars from 2009 to 2016, newer than that the price curve is skewed by the limited edition run-out cars and those taking an initial new-car hit.
2018-10-01 Number of adverts: 36, Median price: 87900, Mean of cheapest 3 66630, Median age 52
2018-10-08 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 88950, Mean of cheapest 3 64980, Median age 39
2018-11-02 Number of adverts: 29, Median price: 89989, Mean of cheapest 3 69000, Median age 50
2018-11-16 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 91475, Mean of cheapest 3 70630, Median age 58
2018-12-04 Number of adverts: 27, Median price: 90000, Mean of cheapest 3 69660, Median age 61
2018-12-18 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 91450, Mean of cheapest 3 68650, Median age 43
2019-01-02 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 91450, Mean of cheapest 3 65000, Median age 50
2019-01-17 Number of adverts: 32, Median price: 95725, Mean of cheapest 3 71270, Median age 60
2019-02-03 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 89995, Mean of cheapest 3 72280, Median age 77
2019-02-26 Number of adverts: 32, Median price: 89495, Mean of cheapest 3 73910, Median age 78
2019-03-04 Number of adverts: 26, Median price: 88975, Mean of cheapest 3 73910, Median age 66
2019-03-20 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 86495, Mean of cheapest 3 68660, Median age 36
2019-04-01 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 88470, Mean of cheapest 3 70600, Median age 42
2019-04-12 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 84945, Mean of cheapest 3 69600, Median age 53
2019-05-07 Number of adverts: 34, Median price: 84945, Mean of cheapest 3 68940, Median age 61
2019-05-20 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 86425, Mean of cheapest 3 66980, Median age 64
2019-06-03 Number of adverts: 41, Median price: 82990, Mean of cheapest 3 66310, Median age 77
2019-06-17 Number of adverts: 37, Median price: 84999, Mean of cheapest 3 66330, Median age 80
2019-07-01 Number of adverts: 48, Median price: 84990, Mean of cheapest 3 63660, Median age 53
2019-07-15 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 84970, Mean of cheapest 3 64330, Median age 65
Prices have tracked downwards, but honestly it's a pretty gentle decline. I keep similar data on Ferrari and Lambo prices and the V12V is holding on about as well as anything out there.
I'm particularly interested in Vanquish prices (volante) 2015 and newer. They now appear to be about 50-55% below list when new.
I am thinking of taking the plunge and would be interested to hear where you guys think the bottom is? I would hope they are never going to fall below £70k
What do you think?
GG33
"mines just clicked over 39k miles and purrs like a kitten (well roars like a lion but you get the drift). As long as they are looked after what's the issue with mileage? Mine had a clutch just before I bought it, brakes are fine (just serviced/checked over at AML and all's well)."
What was the mileage when the clutch was changed?
What was the mileage when the clutch was changed?
murphyaj said:
I've been keeping a track of prices for the last 9 months by collecting asking prices on autotrader. This is a summary of all the V12V adverts on autotrader taken at the start and (roughtly) mid-point in each month since October. For the average I have given the median price, which is the middle point at which half the adverts are above that price, this is because the mean can be strongly influenced by a few massively overpriced cars. There is also the mean of the cheapest 3, which gives an indication of where the bottom of the market is. Plus you have the median number of days that the various cars have been on sale to indicate how quickly cars are shifting.
This is if you just look at cars from 2009 to 2016, newer than that the price curve is skewed by the limited edition run-out cars and those taking an initial new-car hit.
Prices have tracked downwards, but honestly it's a pretty gentle decline. I keep similar data on Ferrari and Lambo prices and the V12V is holding on about as well as anything out there.
Great data. Depreciation could be a lot worse - have you got data on McLaren's? They look like they've got to the point of being almost unsellableThis is if you just look at cars from 2009 to 2016, newer than that the price curve is skewed by the limited edition run-out cars and those taking an initial new-car hit.
2018-10-01 Number of adverts: 36, Median price: 87900, Mean of cheapest 3 66630, Median age 52
2018-10-08 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 88950, Mean of cheapest 3 64980, Median age 39
2018-11-02 Number of adverts: 29, Median price: 89989, Mean of cheapest 3 69000, Median age 50
2018-11-16 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 91475, Mean of cheapest 3 70630, Median age 58
2018-12-04 Number of adverts: 27, Median price: 90000, Mean of cheapest 3 69660, Median age 61
2018-12-18 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 91450, Mean of cheapest 3 68650, Median age 43
2019-01-02 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 91450, Mean of cheapest 3 65000, Median age 50
2019-01-17 Number of adverts: 32, Median price: 95725, Mean of cheapest 3 71270, Median age 60
2019-02-03 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 89995, Mean of cheapest 3 72280, Median age 77
2019-02-26 Number of adverts: 32, Median price: 89495, Mean of cheapest 3 73910, Median age 78
2019-03-04 Number of adverts: 26, Median price: 88975, Mean of cheapest 3 73910, Median age 66
2019-03-20 Number of adverts: 28, Median price: 86495, Mean of cheapest 3 68660, Median age 36
2019-04-01 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 88470, Mean of cheapest 3 70600, Median age 42
2019-04-12 Number of adverts: 30, Median price: 84945, Mean of cheapest 3 69600, Median age 53
2019-05-07 Number of adverts: 34, Median price: 84945, Mean of cheapest 3 68940, Median age 61
2019-05-20 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 86425, Mean of cheapest 3 66980, Median age 64
2019-06-03 Number of adverts: 41, Median price: 82990, Mean of cheapest 3 66310, Median age 77
2019-06-17 Number of adverts: 37, Median price: 84999, Mean of cheapest 3 66330, Median age 80
2019-07-01 Number of adverts: 48, Median price: 84990, Mean of cheapest 3 63660, Median age 53
2019-07-15 Number of adverts: 40, Median price: 84970, Mean of cheapest 3 64330, Median age 65
Prices have tracked downwards, but honestly it's a pretty gentle decline. I keep similar data on Ferrari and Lambo prices and the V12V is holding on about as well as anything out there.
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
Was it an Aston Martin Dealership? If so that is borderline disrespectful.... A V12 Vantage Roadster 6 speed that's such a rare car.... astonishing!stormblack said:
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
Was it an Aston Martin Dealership? If so that is borderline disrespectful.... A V12 Vantage Roadster 6 speed that's such a rare car.... astonishing!Pumatwin said:
"mines just clicked over 39k miles and purrs like a kitten (well roars like a lion but you get the drift). As long as they are looked after what's the issue with mileage? Mine had a clutch just before I bought it, brakes are fine (just serviced/checked over at AML and all's well)."
What was the mileage when the clutch was changed?
37k last june ... it was changed as a precaution as part of the sale ........................... it wasn't slipping and had quite a bit of meat leftWhat was the mileage when the clutch was changed?
Bincenzo said:
stormblack said:
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
Was it an Aston Martin Dealership? If so that is borderline disrespectful.... A V12 Vantage Roadster 6 speed that's such a rare car.... astonishing!Upperworks said:
Bincenzo said:
stormblack said:
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
Was it an Aston Martin Dealership? If so that is borderline disrespectful.... A V12 Vantage Roadster 6 speed that's such a rare car.... astonishing!Bincenzo said:
stormblack said:
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
Was it an Aston Martin Dealership? If so that is borderline disrespectful.... A V12 Vantage Roadster 6 speed that's such a rare car.... astonishing!Mcgurks have one 7k miles so a little less but £115k
Edited by cayman-black on Tuesday 23 July 14:15
Bincenzo said:
Values holding up well? You might want to mention that to a dealer who only today offered me £55k for my V12V Roadster 6 speed. "Nobody wants an old car with high miles"........2012, 25k miles. So there.
so what they are effectively saying is buy our cars but don’t drive them because if you do we’ll effectively give you such a rubbish offer you won’t take it any further. There must be someone out there that values it higher!Only one other V12VR on the market as far as I can see (with 7k miles) and the dealer is looking for £114k. That’s some discount for 18k miles. Yours is a lovely spec and only two caring owners!!
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