Understanding DB7 values
Discussion
Jon39 said:
Perhaps surprisingly (or maybe not), the Vantage has a larger boot capacity than the DB9.
The DB9s VH chassis was developed by Ford as was its v12 engine, which was two Ford Dura Tec 6 cylinder engines stuck together. The Ford Dura Tec was itself derived from a Mazda engine.
I believe the indicator stalks on my Vantage are from a Fiesta, and they are awful. I wonder if there are stalks from other cars, eg Jags, Fords etc that are more substantial and might be a straight swap. Anybody done this?
I believe the indicator stalks on my Vantage are from a Fiesta, and they are awful. I wonder if there are stalks from other cars, eg Jags, Fords etc that are more substantial and might be a straight swap. Anybody done this?
Healeyguy said:
The DB9s VH chassis was developed by Ford as was its v12 engine, which was two Ford Dura Tec 6 cylinder engines stuck together. The Ford Dura Tec was itself derived from a Mazda engine.
I believe the indicator stalks on my Vantage are from a Fiesta, and they are awful. I wonder if there are stalks from other cars, eg Jags, Fords etc that are more substantial and might be a straight swap. Anybody done this?
That's not entirely correct, the Duratec range was firstly designed by Porsche as a single cylinder design concept for Ford, with that design Ford can make it into a straight 4 or V6 or V12, nothing to do with Mazda, and nothing was "stuck together" I believe the indicator stalks on my Vantage are from a Fiesta, and they are awful. I wonder if there are stalks from other cars, eg Jags, Fords etc that are more substantial and might be a straight swap. Anybody done this?
The Aston V12 has a bespoke crankshaft/block/heads/cams with Ford Duratec pistons/conrods/valves etc.
I stand corrected on the Mazda connection. A Mazda engine does form the basis of several Ford engines but not the V6 which first appeared in the 1993 Ford Mondeo and on which the Aston V12 was based, the V12 being built by Ford in Cologne. How much input into the design Aston Martin had I don’t know, but Aston have only designed and produced 2 engines in its history so likely it was mainly Fords development engineers that did it.
It doesn’t really matter, the point is that people shouldn’t be sniffy about the DB7 just because of its Ford/ Jaguar roots.
It doesn’t really matter, the point is that people shouldn’t be sniffy about the DB7 just because of its Ford/ Jaguar roots.
I've got a DB7 Vantage and often wonder if I should 'upgrade' to a DB9. No doubt DB9 is a much better car to drive with better dashboard and controls.
DB9 looks more modern but does it look better? Both cars look lovely and similar but if we get down to the details the back of the DB9 is a bit higher and the front looks similar to a V8 Vantage. Not a bad thing but you see a lot more of them about and they almost become common in some areas. Also the wheelbase of the DB9 seems longer and without the side rubbing strip there is a lot of metal work going on.
It's all subjective. Clarkson once said the DB7 was not just the best looking car ever but the best looking man-made object.
But I would still like to find an upgrade to the Mazda rear lights. But without having to have silly little reflectors by the exhaust as on the DB9 and Vanquish.
It's all in the details and opinions vary. See early Jag XK8s for how to get the detailing wrong.
DB9 looks more modern but does it look better? Both cars look lovely and similar but if we get down to the details the back of the DB9 is a bit higher and the front looks similar to a V8 Vantage. Not a bad thing but you see a lot more of them about and they almost become common in some areas. Also the wheelbase of the DB9 seems longer and without the side rubbing strip there is a lot of metal work going on.
It's all subjective. Clarkson once said the DB7 was not just the best looking car ever but the best looking man-made object.
But I would still like to find an upgrade to the Mazda rear lights. But without having to have silly little reflectors by the exhaust as on the DB9 and Vanquish.
It's all in the details and opinions vary. See early Jag XK8s for how to get the detailing wrong.
There is a topic never discussed before on PH, so I ask here, if that is ok:
Does a AM V12 engine actually consist of two Ford 6 cylinder engines "glued" or "tacked" together, and do these Ford engines go back to some very mundane Mazda engines?
And isnt a DB7 just a XJS in a posh frock, for insecure people who need a brand to show off, although Jaguar IS the better brand but then again its not.
So all in all, everybody who wants an AM is insecure, has no clue about engineering, and has too much money anyway.
Does a AM V12 engine actually consist of two Ford 6 cylinder engines "glued" or "tacked" together, and do these Ford engines go back to some very mundane Mazda engines?
And isnt a DB7 just a XJS in a posh frock, for insecure people who need a brand to show off, although Jaguar IS the better brand but then again its not.
So all in all, everybody who wants an AM is insecure, has no clue about engineering, and has too much money anyway.
Edited by RMDB9 on Monday 20th July 20:05
RMDB9 said:
There is a topic never discussed before on PH, so I ask here, if that is ok:
Does a AM V12 engine actually consist of two Ford 6 cylinder engines "glued" or "tacked" together, and do these Ford engines go back to some very mundane Mazda engines?
And isnt a DB7 just a XJS in a posh frock, for insecure people who need a brand to show off, although Jaguar IS the better brand but then again its not.
So all in all, everybody who wants an AM is insecure, has no clue about engineering, and has too much money anyway.
Please read my post above and watch the Bamford Rose video i've posted above, there is nothing "glued" or "tacked".Does a AM V12 engine actually consist of two Ford 6 cylinder engines "glued" or "tacked" together, and do these Ford engines go back to some very mundane Mazda engines?
And isnt a DB7 just a XJS in a posh frock, for insecure people who need a brand to show off, although Jaguar IS the better brand but then again its not.
So all in all, everybody who wants an AM is insecure, has no clue about engineering, and has too much money anyway.
Edited by RMDB9 on Monday 20th July 20:05
The basic design single cylinder design was completed by Porsche (for Ford) and then the Aston V12 was developed by Cosworth which first went into the DB7 Vantage then into DB9 onwards.
May find this interesting too about the V12 engines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54Nyfc_yvw
p.s. I find the two most common DB7 rear light conversions look even worse than the Mazda rear lights.
all IMHO obviously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54Nyfc_yvw
p.s. I find the two most common DB7 rear light conversions look even worse than the Mazda rear lights.
all IMHO obviously.
Edited by Agent57 on Wednesday 22 July 07:16
I don't make a habit of crapping on something someone else finds pleasing but the thread is seeking views.
Personally i dont like the db7. I've seen a lot of them at chiltern aston and none of them looked as nice as the era that followed them to me.
I do think they look like a jaguar. Both in terms of them actually looking like the xk series (i think thats what its called) and in terms of them looking like what a jaguar should look like in my view.
I think the residuals are going to do fairly poorly for a long time.
By way of a straight answer to straight question - OP you are deluded as to your perception of there being an undervaluation of the beauty of the db7. In my opinion.
All the above said, the car in the original post looks nicer than others i have seen of the same badge.
Personally i dont like the db7. I've seen a lot of them at chiltern aston and none of them looked as nice as the era that followed them to me.
I do think they look like a jaguar. Both in terms of them actually looking like the xk series (i think thats what its called) and in terms of them looking like what a jaguar should look like in my view.
I think the residuals are going to do fairly poorly for a long time.
By way of a straight answer to straight question - OP you are deluded as to your perception of there being an undervaluation of the beauty of the db7. In my opinion.
All the above said, the car in the original post looks nicer than others i have seen of the same badge.
Edited by Shinjuku79 on Tuesday 21st July 23:25
My man-maths logic went something like this:
You can pay over £30k for an Ugly Mini Countryman Diesel before options.
Or buy a beautiful V12 Aston Martin that has already done it's depreciation.
Any decent Ferrari costs twice as much again and do you really want a Mondial or a 400i?
Now that V8Vs and DB9s are down to below £30k it's down to personal preference which you choose.
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You can pay over £30k for an Ugly Mini Countryman Diesel before options.
Or buy a beautiful V12 Aston Martin that has already done it's depreciation.
Any decent Ferrari costs twice as much again and do you really want a Mondial or a 400i?
Now that V8Vs and DB9s are down to below £30k it's down to personal preference which you choose.
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Shinjuku79 said:
OP you are deluded as to your perception of there being an undervaluation of the beauty of the db7.
No, Belfry, you are not. Quite on the contrary you are spot on and I can understand your grief pretty well. The DB7 was and still is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. The tragedy is that the generation of cars that followed after was even a tad more beautiful (at least in my opinion) and is - from today´s perspective - for many the more attractive offer as they naturally are technically more advanced and do not cost much more today. Hence the underrepresantation of the DB7 in this forum. One can only hope that the DB7 owners stand to their cars and will keep on maintaining them (costs must be high, I suppose) thus supporting the heritage and the model variety of AML.
belfry said:
It is interesting to analyse the side view design differences.
I think the two major differences are:-
1. The 'A' pillar angle. Continue the line downwards and the DB7 goes through the front wheel centre, whereas with the DB9 it goes forward of the front wheel. Produces a more streamlined look for the DB9.
2. Side rear window shape. The rear line of this window, the same on the DB9 and the Vantage is a masterpiece. It allows the entire upper line of the glass, to remain perfectly parallel to the slope of the roof.
Small details, but they do produce quite a visual difference, to the entire side view silhouette of the two cars.
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