2023 Vantage V12s For Sale
Discussion
krisdelta said:
Back at the centenary celebrations the V12S was attainable (with some work), these are nearly Zagato money and look dreadful value vs the new DB12 and a holiday home in France for the same money.
Depends where you go in France, probably in the middle of nowhere, not on the French Riviera for sure.Apparently V12 is not dead, Aston mentioned we will be seeing V12 engines in future models. Wait and see.
Next Vantage with a revised front and interior , rear is ok, and a V12 could be interesting. Fingers crossed.
Cheapest one I have seen so far. Two owners, 500 miles, but perhaps a fairly conservative specification. I can’t believe any of the cars sitting at AM MDs will sell for anything close to their advertised prices. Especially after another hike from the BOE today, and possibly more to come. BRM.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15411883
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15411883
Jon39 said:
XJR500bhp said:
I’m 99% sure these two cars are more of a certain chaps collection. I sold this owner a LHD white F type which CC sold a few months ago. He buys all sorts and loves yellow
Callipers and tyre writing, and he barely uses the cars.
Callipers and tyre writing, and he barely uses the cars.
A funny kind of collector. Not the conventional accepted definition.
Must have only just taken delivery of that V12VR.
Perhaps just enjoys specifying, ordering, waiting, taking delivery, selling and losing money.
Oh well tick, two more sales for AML.
Do the registration marks indicate Guernsey ?
In this case, perhaps worth more as a matching pair, than individual sales.
What does 'Net of tax' signify?
Also as its a zone with different tax laws, i wonder if any assets you sell and retain on the mainland will have to have tax (i assume vat) paid on sale price .
RSbandit said:
Well these sure took a bath …plenty under £250k now with cheapest at £235k.
Curious, how depreciation hits Astons, and this usually seems to be the case, from what I`ve seen. Conversely the Porsche 911R frequently swaps hands at twice it`s sticker price, or more, which is huge for a 7 year old model.
What makes a car rise in value significantly like that, as opposed to others that drop like a stone? It`s clearly more than just exclusivity. There was 333 new V12s made I think, couples anyway. Porsche made around 1000 911Rs.
Is it that with a marque like Porsche there are substantially more enthusiasts and interested parties and due to the sheer numbers the demand outstrips supply to the extent that people are willing to financially clamber over others for ownership?
Does the high popularity of the marque create a knowledge that there will always be people willing to part with a kidney for a special edition?
For a start, these Porsches are under £200k new, and even the new RS is around £200k.
Their allocation is also sold out which helps, Aston seems to have added their overs price for themself.
Their allocation is also sold out which helps, Aston seems to have added their overs price for themself.
Edited by cayman-black on Thursday 28th September 11:03
Edited by cayman-black on Thursday 28th September 11:04
Over the last 8 years or so Porsche have managed to cultivate the whole “ flipping “ mentality mainly by not over pricing their Halo / GT cars and also by allowing the DP’s to set the buying criteria.
The supply of ready money has helped.
With Aston whilst it has been possible to flip certain genuinely limited models you would have needed great timing which in reality meant virtually within the first few days of so called ownership.
Overs on certain Porsches are definitely now reducing but still show an excellent “ profit “ for the owners and in many cases the Dealers too.
The supply of ready money has helped.
With Aston whilst it has been possible to flip certain genuinely limited models you would have needed great timing which in reality meant virtually within the first few days of so called ownership.
Overs on certain Porsches are definitely now reducing but still show an excellent “ profit “ for the owners and in many cases the Dealers too.
Early GT4 RS’s traded around £240k in the used mkt and many cars are now £50k below that ..still well over list but those buying a flipped car early will take a bath. The new 3RS has traded in high 400’s can’t wait to see where those are in 18 months time. Porsche have the whole marketing thing sussed this little vid below explains it nicely .
As for the new V12 Vantage I just don’t think it was special enough to command such a high price even with the limited run, it’s a bit in no man’s land too not focussed enough to be a razor sharp sports/track tool and also compromised as a GT car which the DBS and DB12 will do better anyway . The styling is way too fussy also and the rear wing really doesn’t work …give me a GT12 any day of the week.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CveA4B4t_mS/?igshid...
As for the new V12 Vantage I just don’t think it was special enough to command such a high price even with the limited run, it’s a bit in no man’s land too not focussed enough to be a razor sharp sports/track tool and also compromised as a GT car which the DBS and DB12 will do better anyway . The styling is way too fussy also and the rear wing really doesn’t work …give me a GT12 any day of the week.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CveA4B4t_mS/?igshid...
Edited by RSbandit on Thursday 28th September 12:04
RSbandit said:
Porsche have the whole marketing thing sussed this little vid below explains it nicely .
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CveA4B4t_mS/?igshid...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CveA4B4t_mS/?igshid...
RSbandit said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CveA4B4t_mS/?igshid...
Oh God, that is priceless! Really puts the absurdity of it all into perspective...Edited by RSbandit on Thursday 28th September 12:04
RSbandit said:
I do like a good laugh.
Hilarious.
(Jeremy Clarkson missed out doing that sketch.)
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Yes they look like Guernsey if my memory serves me right.
Also as its a zone with different tax laws, i wonder if any assets you sell and retain on the mainland will have to have tax (i assume vat) paid on sale price .
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I think you have to pay the VAT on a Jersey/Guernsey 2nd hand import, as they won’t have paid it when new
CSK1 said:
Apparently V12 is not dead, Aston mentioned we will be seeing V12 engines in future models. Wait and see.
Any idea on which V12 that would be?6.0 naturally aspirated is dead.
Derivatives thereof such as 7.3 V12 from 1-77 are also dead
5.2 twin turbo is dead, the "Aston Martin Engine Plant" is gone.
The casting was made in England (Bridgenorth, Shropshire I believe) but the assembly was in Germany.
Would the current AML regime invest the money to create a production line for 5.2 V12 ?
JohnG1 said:
Any idea on which V12 that would be?
6.0 naturally aspirated is dead.
Derivatives thereof such as 7.3 V12 from 1-77 are also dead
5.2 twin turbo is dead, the "Aston Martin Engine Plant" is gone.
The casting was made in England (Bridgenorth, Shropshire I believe) but the assembly was in Germany.
Would the current AML regime invest the money to create a production line for 5.2 V12 ?
Yes castings are done by Grainger and Worrall for the AE31 -aka 5.2 litre V12 twin turbo (alongside the Valkyrie engine).6.0 naturally aspirated is dead.
Derivatives thereof such as 7.3 V12 from 1-77 are also dead
5.2 twin turbo is dead, the "Aston Martin Engine Plant" is gone.
The casting was made in England (Bridgenorth, Shropshire I believe) but the assembly was in Germany.
Would the current AML regime invest the money to create a production line for 5.2 V12 ?
For AE31 assembly, it is being done by Autocraft Machining Solutions in the UK, following the closure of the site in Germany.
https://www.astonmartinchicago.com/new/Aston+Marti...
Wow, each to their own, but this person ticked everything single Q option box... and then some that should never have been ticked. Over $200K in options... and then you try and sell it straight away... why??!!
A "menacingly bold configuration", that's one way to put it...
Wow, each to their own, but this person ticked everything single Q option box... and then some that should never have been ticked. Over $200K in options... and then you try and sell it straight away... why??!!
A "menacingly bold configuration", that's one way to put it...
Ninja59 said:
JohnG1 said:
Any idea on which V12 that would be?
6.0 naturally aspirated is dead.
Derivatives thereof such as 7.3 V12 from 1-77 are also dead
5.2 twin turbo is dead, the "Aston Martin Engine Plant" is gone.
The casting was made in England (Bridgenorth, Shropshire I believe) but the assembly was in Germany.
Would the current AML regime invest the money to create a production line for 5.2 V12 ?
Yes castings are done by Grainger and Worrall for the AE31 -aka 5.2 litre V12 twin turbo (alongside the Valkyrie engine).6.0 naturally aspirated is dead.
Derivatives thereof such as 7.3 V12 from 1-77 are also dead
5.2 twin turbo is dead, the "Aston Martin Engine Plant" is gone.
The casting was made in England (Bridgenorth, Shropshire I believe) but the assembly was in Germany.
Would the current AML regime invest the money to create a production line for 5.2 V12 ?
For AE31 assembly, it is being done by Autocraft Machining Solutions in the UK, following the closure of the site in Germany.
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