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AMDBSVNick said:
garyhun said:
Isn't that essentially a DB10 front end mated onto the renders of the new rear?
Once again I fail to see that Aston will commit to regurgitating a one off design to a car that will be a defining vehicle for the company in so many ways. Why don't we wait and see....?garyhun said:
AMDBSVNick said:
garyhun said:
Isn't that essentially a DB10 front end mated onto the renders of the new rear?
Once again I fail to see that Aston will commit to regurgitating a one off design to a car that will be a defining vehicle for the company in so many ways. Why don't we wait and see....?
The rear diffuser on the car in the most recent Autocar shots looks to be identical to the one on the patent drawings, so my guess would be that the rest of the details in the patent drawings will be a very close match to the final production car.
If so, then I am rather disapointed with AM as to my eye it just looks like a more GT style version of the DB10. Basic profile is exactly the same, just with an uglier rear duck-tail spoiler, more bland front headlight shape, strange side strake detail, a more fussy front grille/splitter and a different rear diffuser treatment.
Of course I may be wrong and we'll have to wait and see when the production model is unvelived, but I was hoping for more to be honest.
If so, then I am rather disapointed with AM as to my eye it just looks like a more GT style version of the DB10. Basic profile is exactly the same, just with an uglier rear duck-tail spoiler, more bland front headlight shape, strange side strake detail, a more fussy front grille/splitter and a different rear diffuser treatment.
Of course I may be wrong and we'll have to wait and see when the production model is unvelived, but I was hoping for more to be honest.
blade runner said:
The rear diffuser on the car in the most recent Autocar shots looks to be identical to the one on the patent drawings, so my guess would be that the rest of the details in the patent drawings will be a very close match to the final production car.
I think you may be correct.
Good idea to post the two images together.
It enables us to 'look through' the camouflage. The various details are indeed identical.
On the development car, the rear section between the wing and boot top is filled in.
By comparing with the patent drawing, it seems as though that will be quite a large open area, between the tailgare top and the rear wing.
The development car rear fog light, I presume is just a temporary fitting.
Without camouflage, and with the open space below, it looks as though the rear wing will be a very dominant, noticeable feature.
Thought this last week, and a few days on the back end still looks a bit clumsy in my eyes (maybe its just the yellow stripes) with quite a deep prominent bumper. Not much depth to hatch/bootlid (DB10 was even shallower - just a shallow groove/identation panel on which an AM badge sat but looks good compared to the two flat rear surfaces on camo car).
Ducktail spoiler to combat uplift - if it was a wing with a gap to generate downforce it would surely be a lot larger (unless there's some packing blocking a current Vanquish style rear (but unlikely if going down a DB10 styling cue route).
Ducktail spoiler to combat uplift - if it was a wing with a gap to generate downforce it would surely be a lot larger (unless there's some packing blocking a current Vanquish style rear (but unlikely if going down a DB10 styling cue route).
Jon39 said:
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On the development car, the rear section between the wing and boot top is filled in.
By comparing with the patent drawing, it seems as though that will be quite a large open area, between the tailgare top and the rear wing.
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It could be filled in or not from the line drawing...On the development car, the rear section between the wing and boot top is filled in.
By comparing with the patent drawing, it seems as though that will be quite a large open area, between the tailgare top and the rear wing.
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btw, ref strakes and the grille...they're both still there on that DB10/whatever photoshop. Just more subtle. If they wed themselves to proportions there's not going to be much they can do that would be radically different.
Interested to see what it looks like, even though I'm not really in the market for any 2 seater for a number of years. Hope Aston pull it off.
AMDBSVNick said:
garyhun said:
AMDBSVNick said:
garyhun said:
Isn't that essentially a DB10 front end mated onto the renders of the new rear?
Once again I fail to see that Aston will commit to regurgitating a one off design to a car that will be a defining vehicle for the company in so many ways. Why don't we wait and see....?
garyhun said:
Speedraser said:
^^^ I agree.
"As long as it sounds right and offers the right performance characteristics I don't see the issue." Gary, then you'd see no issue if they used a Corvette engine -- that could certainly sound and perform "right"? Or a Mustang's? Heck, we can fake any sound now through the speakers, so how about a Kia's? VW's? An i4 can sound just like a V8, V12, or anything when it's faked, so any powerful engine would be fine?
Wow, that's a lot of straw men "As long as it sounds right and offers the right performance characteristics I don't see the issue." Gary, then you'd see no issue if they used a Corvette engine -- that could certainly sound and perform "right"? Or a Mustang's? Heck, we can fake any sound now through the speakers, so how about a Kia's? VW's? An i4 can sound just like a V8, V12, or anything when it's faked, so any powerful engine would be fine?
Speedraser said:
garyhun said:
Speedraser said:
^^^ I agree.
"As long as it sounds right and offers the right performance characteristics I don't see the issue." Gary, then you'd see no issue if they used a Corvette engine -- that could certainly sound and perform "right"? Or a Mustang's? Heck, we can fake any sound now through the speakers, so how about a Kia's? VW's? An i4 can sound just like a V8, V12, or anything when it's faked, so any powerful engine would be fine?
Wow, that's a lot of straw men "As long as it sounds right and offers the right performance characteristics I don't see the issue." Gary, then you'd see no issue if they used a Corvette engine -- that could certainly sound and perform "right"? Or a Mustang's? Heck, we can fake any sound now through the speakers, so how about a Kia's? VW's? An i4 can sound just like a V8, V12, or anything when it's faked, so any powerful engine would be fine?
Definitely not a Kia engine
Anyway, time will tell.
garyhun said:
My point is that if the AMG engine (and I was talking only of that engine) sounds right and has the correct performance characteristics, I see no issues.
Definitely not a Kia engine
Anyway, time will tell.
It's one of those things where if people know the roots of it, it's immediately tainted. The first glimpse of what the engine will be capable of, and as important, its character - would be in the DB11 V8 shortly. It's been spoken about at length in the DB11 thread, but as a business decision, it's quite a smart move, and if it performs anything like it does in the Merc cars, it'll be a winner. Definitely not a Kia engine
Anyway, time will tell.
So many engines, in so many cars, have their roots elsewhere - purists dislike it not being a 'proper' Aston engine. IMO the performance, noise and engineering will speak for itself when it becomes available to drive. The tinkering by AM ought to be enough to make it in keeping with expectations. AMG have been able to build turbocharged engines that haven't lost their noise - a rare thing when you look at their rivals that sound more and more like highly strung domestic appliances.
Typically they have very little turbo lag, a good power band, and a noise you wouldn't associate with a pair of hairdryers. It's a good choice of engine, I look forward to experiencing it. Based on the spy shots, renders, known stats etc - I quite like it. Bugger.
CSK1 said:
Even though it will be turbocharged?
Maybe. For me, that's where the "how it sounds and how it feels" matters -- because it's an Aston engine. Would I rather have a larger NA engine? Yes, but forced induction isn't necessarily a terrible thing.I don't see why an AMG engine is ok but a Corvette engine (for example) isn't. All that engineering is AMG, not Aston. Different intake/exhaust doesn't an Aston engine make. My Vanquish has a Quicksilver exhaust -- that doesn't mean it now has a Quicksilver engine. If it doesn't have to be an Aston engine, why does it matter what it actually is? AMG, BMW, Corvette, Kia, Ferrari, Lexus, Nissan, Kia -- none is Aston, so why is AMG ok?
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