New Vantage?

[Beefmeister]

But why AMR?! No mechanical changes, only a bit lighter because of the box. So it’s the standard car with a manual box, but all the AMR Halo styling?!

So what happens when they do a Vantage S? That’ll have more power, focused setup etc but won’t be AMR

Just so messy.

[Jon39]

Beefmeister said:

But why AMR?! No mechanical changes, only a bit lighter because of the box. So it’s the standard car with a manual box, but all the AMR Halo styling?!

So what happens when they do a Vantage S? That’ll have more power, focused setup etc but won’t be AMR

Just so messy.

I think I have read somewhere, that the agreement with Daimler prohibits any internal changes to the AMG engine.
If true, then that would be the answer to your question.

[anonymous-user]

Jon39 said:

Beefmeister said:

But why AMR?! No mechanical changes, only a bit lighter because of the box. So it’s the standard car with a manual box, but all the AMR Halo styling?!

So what happens when they do a Vantage S? That’ll have more power, focused setup etc but won’t be AMR

Just so messy.

I think I have read somewhere, that the agreement with Daimler prohibits any internal changes to the AMG engine.
If true, then that would be the answer to your question.

Much like the DB11 AMR, the bulk of the revisions are centred around chassis dynamics - so the 95kg diet and losing the e-diff mean quite a bit of re-calibration, so while it's got no more power, it'll be quite a different animal to drive. I think of the AMG derived engine as somewhat of a bridge between the 4.7 N/A V8, and the V6 that'll appear in the near future.

I expect when the 4.0 TT V8 is replaced, that's when we'll see it spawn a chunk more horsepower. Exciting times ahead. I might be wrong (I often am), but I thought the AMR variant was replacing the 'S'?

[Beefmeister]

Range should be: Vantage (992 S), Vantage S (992 GTS), Vantage AMR (992 GT3), Vantage AMR Pro (992 GT3 RS)

[Jon39]

Beefmeister said:

Range should be: Vantage (992 S), Vantage S (992 GTS), Vantage AMR (992 GT3), Vantage AMR Pro (992 GT3 RS)

But if all four of your models had to have the identical 503bhp engine, would that create confusion?

[waremark]

What is the weight saving from? Probably more than the gearbox change.

Surprised it loses as much as 0.4 secs to 60 from going manual. It is 0.2 secs difference on the M2 Comp between DCT and manual and I would have expected a smaller difference between the Vantage ZF8 and manual,

Is this a different box from the one in V12VS manuals?

[p1stonhead]

Is there a particular reason for 7 gears rather than 6 in the manual?

[jonby]

p1stonhead said:

Is there a particular reason for 7 gears rather than 6 in the manual?

yes

I assume you can't easily reverse engineer a torque convertor box (which is what the flappy paddle vantage uses) to a manual and so they used the existing manual box they already had from outgoing vantage, which is a 7 speed dogleg

[Beefmeister]

Jon39 said:

Beefmeister said:

Range should be: Vantage (992 S), Vantage S (992 GTS), Vantage AMR (992 GT3), Vantage AMR Pro (992 GT3 RS)

But if all four of your models had to have the identical 503bhp engine, would that create confusion?

No mention of power in my list Could be the V8, could be the new i6 Turbo. But would be likely 510, 540, 550 plus lighter, 560 and lighter.

[AdamV12V]

Beefmeister said:

But why AMR?! No mechanical changes, only a bit lighter because of the box. So it’s the standard car with a manual box, but all the AMR Halo styling?!

So what happens when they do a Vantage S? That’ll have more power, focused setup etc but won’t be AMR

Just so messy.

Indeed seems a bit odd positioning of the AMR to me too. I didn't really expect a V12, but did expect it would have one of the higher output versions of the V8 from AMG again tweaked for AM, but no just the same output as before. The 0.3 secs 0-60 slower time wouldn't bother me when taking the manual option, but I'm sure it will bother some customers and I just doesn't sit well in my head with AMR, so I am very surprised there wasn't a power hike to negate it out at least.

On the plus side I love the 7spd dogleg so really happy to see this has rolled over the new Vantage. Also the addition of a LSD should be a very good thing and should make for more fun driving.

Edited by AdamV12V on Wednesday 1st May 09:33

[Mr.Tremlini]

waremark said:

What is the weight saving from? Probably more than the gearbox change.

Surprised it loses as much as 0.4 secs to 60 from going manual. It is 0.2 secs difference on the M2 Comp between DCT and manual and I would have expected a smaller difference between the Vantage ZF8 and manual,

Is this a different box from the one in V12VS manuals?

Dog leg's are not made for zero to whatever times, it's a time consuming shift pattern.

[ExitLeft]

Beefmeister said:

Range should be: Vantage (992 S), Vantage S (992 GTS), Vantage AMR (992 GT3), Vantage AMR Pro (992 GT3 RS)

Surely:
Vantage
Vantage AMG
Vantage AMG GT
Vantage AMG GTR

[ExitLeft]

ExitLeft said:

Surely:
Vantage
Vantage AMG
Vantage AMG GT
Vantage AMG GTR

Oh and an LH44 special edition. But maybe Red Bull wouldn’t like that because they have an.. errr Honda engine. Now I’m confused. Glad the marketing guys know what’s heppening.

[cymario]

Hi, Some help and views would be appreciated.

I have wanted to buy the new Vantage for a while now but have held off as the prices of used cars keeps falling and want to try and get in at the right time.

Anyone know what the market will do going forward in the short term for these. They are losing a lot of money now but presumably they will reach a price point where the depreciation will start to slow down a lot??

Want to look for a high spec car and pay around £100k for an approved used car.

Any views??

[cypriot]

that is a crystal ball question... you would have to take a view on a few factors in order to assess where values could go. Firstly, brexit. The whole exotic car market is depressed at the moment, and brexit hasn't happened yet. Secondly, the vantage is the first model, and there will inevitably be a vantage s in the not too distant future. Depending on how much they improve the car for the "s" model, this will impact the values of the current vantage. Then you have to see how the competitors are doing. Porsche are only just getting started on the 992 models, so we don't know how the turbo/gts variants will stack up against the vantage, which could push prices down. Finally you have to look at how many vantages were pushed onto the market at the beginning. If you are buying a vantage from the early splurge of production, then you will be forever in a market of many similarly aged and priced cars (see how many are currently on the market).

Taken in isolation though, 100k for for the new aston is serious amount of car and performance for the money. And it is far more special than a porsche.

[indapendentlee]

cymario said:

Hi, Some help and views would be appreciated.

I have wanted to buy the new Vantage for a while now but have held off as the prices of used cars keeps falling and want to try and get in at the right time.

Anyone know what the market will do going forward in the short term for these. They are losing a lot of money now but presumably they will reach a price point where the depreciation will start to slow down a lot??

Want to look for a high spec car and pay around £100k for an approved used car.

Any views??

It is crystal ball-y but I've been watching 570S prices with the same thinking for 12-18 months (although with £80k my target price). I think if you want a high spec approved car for £100k you are probably 12 months from that point, the cheapest cars are around 105k for an OK spec at the moment. Just because you buy at 100k in 12-18 months though doesn't mean it won't be worth 50 to a trader 3 years after that - the depreciation will likely slow but you're still going to have a hit to absorb based on historical Aston depreciation alone. Some of these cars had list prices of £150-170k just 12 months ago so to think they could lose another 50k in 3/4 years isn't all that fanciful.

Throw in a bit of economic/premium car market uncertainty and that 50k point could arrive sooner than you might think currently, which presents a timing challenge (or opportunity!)

[jonby]

cymario said:

Anyone know what the market will do going forward in the short term for these.

Yep I know what the market is going to do. But keeping it a secret :-)

[bogie]

If you can wait 3 years they should be getting on for 1/2 price, maybe £70-80k from a main dealer.

[nickv8]

Looking at the previous V8 Vantage and how it’s been devaluing in the market since its launch in 2005 could be a (relative) barometer? That model also launched a few years before a recession (current guessing by economists is that we’re staring a recession or not far off).

Brexit? Not sure that will be a massive influence for used cars, but anybody’s guess is valid at present.

Not sure Porsche 911 generations really affect used prices as they may be similar in performance, but different perception of customer base. A manual and/or S-spec (plus myriad of specials) could have an even greater effect? (Nobody knows for certain.)

I simply wouldn’t worry. As soon as your perfect spec reaches £100k, snap it up. Then drive it and enjoy every moment!

Some cheeky offers may get a better reception than you think in holiday season?

[Jon39]

nickv8 said:

Looking at the previous V8 Vantage and how it’s been devaluing in the market since its launch in 2005 could be a (relative) barometer?

Some cheeky offers may get a better reception than you think in holiday season?

Possibly there may not be a comparison with the previous model.
Some customers then has to wait nearly 2 years for delivery and as you say, sales then boomed until 'the wheels came off' during 2008. Many cancelled orders and some 4.3 models remaining unsold for many months after the 4.7 began deliveries.

With the new Vantage, the launch announcement included mention of orders filling 18 months of factory capacity. Then we were amazed to see two or three virtually new Vantages, being openly advertised for sale by a main dealer. Something which might be unprecedented for a newly introduced AM model.

Perhaps a cheeky offer towards the end of September might work. Often a sales target month.