How much better ARE regular P Zero's in damp cold weather

[BravoV8V]

controlz said:

Am I just looking at regular Michelin Pilot Sport?

You want Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-sup...


(Unfortunately, Michelin's branding of their Pilot range is quite confusing. Pilot Sport Cups, Pilot Sport 2, Pilot Sport 3 and Pilot Super Sports are all quite different tyres with very similar names).

[L0TT0]

controlz said:

...... I'm not very clued up..........

Really.. no st sherlock

Whatever advise you pursue and are given then there is only ONE person can actually decide what YOU want....Get out there and make your own decisions man FFS

oh BTW I prefer milk chocolate to the bitter variety

[mrteegrassgill]

I have just replaced Bridgestone RE050's with Michelin SuperSports,

Very pleased with them so far, plenty of grip, however my Bridgestones were worn and 5 years old, so maybe not a fair comparison.

If you have somewhere you can get them fitted, I got mine from http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/, they are based in france. Massive saving over the prices here, quick delivery, great service and the date on the tyres is 2014

[AdamV12V]

Anybody gone the opposite way then and fitted Pirelli P Zero Trofeo's?

[V12woollie]

controlz said:

I live on the outskirts of London, and drive a short 4-mile commute to work everyday. Unfortunately come September, the road's are going to be wet most of the time so a) my tyres won't warm up, and b) it will be cold! I;m not concerned about the snow, as I'll drive my Range Rover then, but I want something good for the wet autumn months.

Are winters okay even in dry conditions - E.g. can still use the car fine on 100% dry roads and sunny spells during the winter months?

A four mile commute isn't going to do your engine much good either. It and the gearbox will be barely warmed up on each trip. Better start taking the long way round.

I doubt you'd have any problems driving on Corsas into London on such a short trip and at London traffic speeds. If it is snowing you really don't want to take the Aston anyway, and if you do be prepared to wash the salt off the underside if the roads have been salted.

You must really love the V12V because it really isn't the car for four mile commutes into London each day. Many other cars better suited to that task.

[AdamV12V]

V12woollie said:

You must really love the V12V because it really isn't the car for four mile commutes into London each day. Many other cars better suited to that task.

I beg to differ there. I drive mine every day through a large northern city on a similar if not shorter journey and I absolutely love it. I accept that we have slightly less traffic than central London the basic principle and type of journey is the same.

The car is an absolute hoot and makes what could be a dreadfully boring journey lots of fun. The power makes blasting into gaps possible that might otherwise mean continuing to wait, the driver feedback is still there when having a mini blast on the quieter sections and the exhaust noise bouncing back off buildings is quite amazing. It seats me and the mrs with super levels of comfort and luxury, has a tip top sound system and is remarkably easy to drive if you want to be lazy too, oh and my briefcase more than easily fits in the boot! What else could make for a better car for such a journey?

At the end of the day it puts a smile on my face at the beginning and end of every day and eases the stress and pressures of work.

[mb1]

BravoV8V said:

controlz said:

Am I just looking at regular Michelin Pilot Sport?

You want Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-sup...


(Unfortunately, Michelin's branding of their Pilot range is quite confusing. Pilot Sport Cups, Pilot Sport 2, Pilot Sport 3 and Pilot Super Sports are all quite different tyres with very similar names).

Again. If your car came with a warranty or is on AM extended warranty, check that thet tires you chose are covered and will not invalidate it....
It is silly but I believe there are only a few that qualifies. It would be a shame to lose the warranty....

[BravoV8V]

mb1 said:

Again. If your car came with a warranty or is on AM extended warranty, check that thet tires you chose are covered and will not invalidate it....
It is silly but I believe there are only a few that qualifies. It would be a shame to lose the warranty....

It wouldn't invalidate the whole warranty. Just those parts which are related to tyres. I wouldn't be surprised if the tyres themselves aren't actually covered by the warranty (being consumables).

[AMDBSNick]

AdamV12V said:

I beg to differ there. I drive mine every day through a large northern city on a similar if not shorter journey and I absolutely love it. I accept that we have slightly less traffic than central London the basic principle and type of journey is the same.

The car is an absolute hoot and makes what could be a dreadfully boring journey lots of fun. The power makes blasting into gaps possible that might otherwise mean continuing to wait, the driver feedback is still there when having a mini blast on the quieter sections and the exhaust noise bouncing back off buildings is quite amazing. It seats me and the mrs with super levels of comfort and luxury, has a tip top sound system and is remarkably easy to drive if you want to be lazy too, oh and my briefcase more than easily fits in the boot! What else could make for a better car for such a journey?

At the end of the day it puts a smile on my face at the beginning and end of every day and eases the stress and pressures of work.

This. But P Zero's or Corsa's would both give the same pleasure

[V12woollie]

Any drive of over one mile in London is a PIA and would neither start nor end my day on a high note.

[Simon T]

controlz said:

I live on the outskirts of London, and drive a short 4-mile commute to work everyday. Unfortunately come September, the road's are going to be wet most of the time so a) my tyres won't warm up, and b) it will be cold! I;m not concerned about the snow, as I'll drive my Range Rover then, but I want something good for the wet autumn months.

Are winters okay even in dry conditions - E.g. can still use the car fine on 100% dry roads and sunny spells during the winter months?

for 4 miles? A poor old V12 will never get warm, worst thing you could do to a big engine

[mb1]

BravoV8V said:

mb1 said:

Again. If your car came with a warranty or is on AM extended warranty, check that thet tires you chose are covered and will not invalidate it....
It is silly but I believe there are only a few that qualifies. It would be a shame to lose the warranty....

It wouldn't invalidate the whole warranty. Just those parts which are related to tyres. I wouldn't be surprised if the tyres themselves aren't actually covered by the warranty (being consumables).

You'll be surprised what the small prints say...
It could invalidate any claims on drivetrain...

[BravoV8V]

mb1 said:

You'll be surprised what the small prints say...

Will I? What does it say then?

[controlz]

mrteegrassgill said:

f you have somewhere you can get them fitted, I got mine from http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/, they are based in france. Massive saving over the prices here, quick delivery, great service and the date on the tyres is 2014

Christ, and I thought blackcircles was cheap. This sounds too good to be true?

[BravoV8V]

controlz said:

This sounds too good to be true?

Nope. The tyres actually come from Germany, so you are paying German prices. Welcome to the EU!

[whoami]

controlz said:

mrteegrassgill said:

f you have somewhere you can get them fitted, I got mine from http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/, they are based in france. Massive saving over the prices here, quick delivery, great service and the date on the tyres is 2014

Christ, and I thought blackcircles was cheap. This sounds too good to be true?

Good luck with their "customer service" if you get a problem.

Cheap prices, but non-existent service from a French call centre if anything goes wrong.

[mb1]

BravoV8V said:

mb1 said:

You'll be surprised what the small prints say...

Will I? What does it say then?

It depends on manufacturers and who has issued the warranty.
It might be fine. All I am saying is that I have had the issue in the past on another car and before changing tyres I always check. That's all.
Until very recently, the only approved tyres for a V12V were the Corsa.
The regular p-zero are now also approved. I am not sure of any other tyres.
These are expensive cars to maintain, hence why so many of us keep extending the warranty.
It is a shame to lose it.
I will shut-up now, I think I made my point :-D

[BravoV8V]

mb1 said:

Usual internet scaremongering

Yep!

[V8V Pete]

Winters in winter. Summers in summer. No need for a second set of wheels. Costs less than the price of a tank of fuel (of which you'll be using plenty) to change them over on your rims. No brainer if your worried about using the car in cold/wet but want to enjoy it at its best in the summer.

[Zod]

BravoV8V said:

quench said:

Zod said:

Aren't Pilot SuperSports semi-slicks like the Corsas?

No.

No. You are thinking about the Pilot Sport Cups.

I know the PSCs. I had them on my M3 CSL. I thought the PSS was the replacement, but it appears there is a PSC 2.