2023 Vantage V12s For Sale
Discussion
Ninja59 said:
Yes castings are done by Grainger and Worrall for the AE31 -aka 5.2 litre V12 twin turbo (alongside the Valkyrie engine).
For AE31 assembly, it is being done by Autocraft Machining Solutions in the UK, following the closure of the site in Germany.
For AE31 assembly, it is being done by Autocraft Machining Solutions in the UK, following the closure of the site in Germany.
Thank you Chris, you have answered my earlier question.
An AML employee said the work was being done in Wellingborough, but after that my 'trail ended'.
The 5.2 engine now being entirely built in Great Britain. - Great.
EDIT - Spelling correction.
Edited by Jon39 on Friday 29th September 18:56
BenAstonV12 said:
https://www.astonmartinchicago.com/new/Aston+Marti...
Wow, each to their own, but this person ticked everything single Q option box... and then some that should never have been ticked. Over $200K in options... and then you try and sell it straight away... why??!!
A "menacingly bold configuration", that's one way to put it...
Wow, each to their own, but this person ticked everything single Q option box... and then some that should never have been ticked. Over $200K in options... and then you try and sell it straight away... why??!!
A "menacingly bold configuration", that's one way to put it...
Oh well, best of luck with that. Only need one buyer though, who adores that specification and has no need to ask the price.
In the UK, we do not see new inventory listed.
Interesting to see that there are 10 new DBX cars, being advertised by the Chicago dealer.
With 35 dealers in the USA, I wonder if that might suggest about 350 DBX cars are awaiting sale in America.
A dealer car though, presumably means a sale is already in the accounts, for Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings Plc.
alscar said:
Over the last 8 years or so Porsche have managed to cultivate the whole “ flipping “ mentality mainly by not over pricing their Halo / GT cars and also by allowing the DP’s to set the buying criteria.
The supply of ready money has helped.
With Aston whilst it has been possible to flip certain genuinely limited models you would have needed great timing which in reality meant virtually within the first few days of so called ownership.
Overs on certain Porsches are definitely now reducing but still show an excellent “ profit “ for the owners and in many cases the Dealers too.
Have a look on the Porsche section at the thread about OPC new stock. The supply of ready money has helped.
With Aston whilst it has been possible to flip certain genuinely limited models you would have needed great timing which in reality meant virtually within the first few days of so called ownership.
Overs on certain Porsches are definitely now reducing but still show an excellent “ profit “ for the owners and in many cases the Dealers too.
They’ll be glad of any overs they’re still making given how other stock seems to be languishing.
It’s odd though, MrsLT’s Porsche reaches its third birthday a few weeks time. In spite of sitting on increasing levels of stock, neither of the dealers she’s worked with over the past few years has been in touch for over six months to see if they can tempt her with a replacement. One of them is well into double digits of new, unregistered, cars that would be relevant if she were replacing with the same model. They seem to have got used to the cars selling themselves..?
PinkHouse said:
The asking price for this has dropped £100k since March. Is the dealership actually taking this hit or is it just the owner being ambitious with the price on SOR?
Could be either as most AM dealers have both options.As I know the former owner of one of the V12 versions it has been at the dealer since mid March, so over half a year unsold.
I also know the Sevenoaks car has been there since April iirc.
As I know the former owner of one of the V12 versions it has been at the dealer since mid March, so over half a year unsold.
Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
Good for AML.
If we compare with the inflation adjusted VH V12V price, the mechanically very similar new V12V was way overpriced. It worked well for AML though, all sold fairly quickly.
The cars placed on sale so soon after customer delivery, were presumably buyers hoping to profit from over demand. Unfortunately the discovered that demand was less than they thought. Flippers perhaps became too used to winning.
Minglar said:
As I know the former owner of one of the V12 versions it has been at the dealer since mid March, so over half a year unsold.
Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
The Bristol car has disappeared, and interesting that 3 of the 4 remaining coupes left advertised are all those at the bottom of the price range, at under 240k.Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
flow99 said:
Minglar said:
As I know the former owner of one of the V12 versions it has been at the dealer since mid March, so over half a year unsold.
Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
The Bristol car has disappeared, and interesting that 3 of the 4 remaining coupes left advertised are all those at the bottom of the price range, at under 240k.Did he buy it back Ninja? I saw it sitting at AM Bristol for ages too and it was the cheapest one out there at £235,000. I’m sure he commented on Instagram that he may buy it back, although perhaps that was somewhat tongue in cheek. I just had a look on AT though and the supply has dwindled quite sharply since I last looked. Only two roadsters and four coupes currently for sale. BRM.
Sorry to bring this back to the front, but we have our first current gen V12 Vantage under £200k in 14 months with 1850 miles.
If this is a true reflection of the market, rather than just the dealer wanting to get rid then the depriciation on these is getting slightly scary!
I do believe it could be market wide as there is another dealer car with a similar level of recent price reduction.
Will it follow the same path as the DBS even and settle circa £150k?
I did have a fairly recent conversation about one at a dealer, but overall they were terrified to even do a single test drive in it!
Oh, AM did have 2 development cars of this running the DBS 770 Ultimate map as opposed to the 690 of the production variant!
If this is a true reflection of the market, rather than just the dealer wanting to get rid then the depriciation on these is getting slightly scary!
I do believe it could be market wide as there is another dealer car with a similar level of recent price reduction.
Will it follow the same path as the DBS even and settle circa £150k?
I did have a fairly recent conversation about one at a dealer, but overall they were terrified to even do a single test drive in it!
Oh, AM did have 2 development cars of this running the DBS 770 Ultimate map as opposed to the 690 of the production variant!
Ninja59 said:
Sorry to bring this back to the front, but we have our first current gen V12 Vantage under £200k in 14 months with 1850 miles.
If this is a true reflection of the market, rather than just the dealer wanting to get rid then the depriciation on these is getting slightly scary!
I do believe it could be market wide as there is another dealer car with a similar level of recent price reduction.
Will it follow the same path as the DBS even and settle circa £150k?
I did have a fairly recent conversation about one at a dealer, but overall they were terrified to even do a single test drive in it!
Oh, AM did have 2 development cars of this running the DBS 770 Ultimate map as opposed to the 690 of the production variant!
Its a great spec V12 Vantage, and have been watching the price drop over the last couple of months, however, my DBS has probably depreciated a similar amount so a change remains unlikley!If this is a true reflection of the market, rather than just the dealer wanting to get rid then the depriciation on these is getting slightly scary!
I do believe it could be market wide as there is another dealer car with a similar level of recent price reduction.
Will it follow the same path as the DBS even and settle circa £150k?
I did have a fairly recent conversation about one at a dealer, but overall they were terrified to even do a single test drive in it!
Oh, AM did have 2 development cars of this running the DBS 770 Ultimate map as opposed to the 690 of the production variant!
Well as we all know, by and large everything is continuing to fall, but it’s interesting to note that there is now pretty much a price crossover against the highest priced Gaydon seven speed V12VS cars. Perhaps it’s just the gearbox. We will never know, but had this car been equipped with a manual box perhaps things may have been different. I guess that would have made Valour an even tougher sell though! If current V12Vs continue to fall I would have thought they would be a good buy towards the £150,000 area. We shall see. BRM.
Ninja59 said:
Yes castings are done by Grainger and Worrall for the AE31 -aka 5.2 litre V12 twin turbo (alongside the Valkyrie engine).
Yes, the AM castings are a fabulous sight when walking through the foundry, as were the ones for the NA V12Also the 16 cylinder Bugatti engine blocks were pretty special !
However it's many years since I was there so not sure if the Bug blocks are still cast there !?
Ninja59 said:
Yes castings are done by Grainger and Worrall for the AE31 -aka 5.2 litre V12 twin turbo (alongside the Valkyrie engine).
I was surprised to read that Grainger and Worrall cast the (Cosworth) Valkyrie blocks.Years ago, Cosworth had a castings factory in Worcester. They were very proud to have developed a technique of forcing the alloy upwards into moulds (instead of pouring the molten alloy downwards), therefore minimising the possibility of any tiny air bubbles.
Cosworth created the Valkyrie engine, but whether they now assemble each one, I do not know.
They do build every 4 litre V12 engine, for the Gordon Murray cars.
Dewi 2 said:
I was surprised to read that Grainger and Worrall cast the (Cosworth) Valkyrie blocks.
Years ago, Cosworth had a castings factory in Worcester. They were very proud to have developed a technique of forcing the alloy upwards into moulds (instead of pouring the molten alloy downwards), therefore minimising the possibility of any tiny air bubbles.
Same placeYears ago, Cosworth had a castings factory in Worcester. They were very proud to have developed a technique of forcing the alloy upwards into moulds (instead of pouring the molten alloy downwards), therefore minimising the possibility of any tiny air bubbles.
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/18215999.behi...
LTP said:
Thank you. Everything fits now.
I did not know that Grainger and Worrall in Bridgenorth and Cosworth, are both part of the same business.
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