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VanquishRider said:
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This has dragged on so long it seems logical to provide a timeline.
17th March Last date for receipt of votes
21st March S African votes arrive and M Aylott reports “irregularities” to Chairman but these are mainly about Australian votes.
25th March Chairman receives legal advice stating “…I can't recommend delaying/suspending/cancelling the announcement of the votes.
26th March Chairman calls and Emergency CoM meeting and the CoM vote to delay/suspend/cancel the announcement of the vote.
27th March AGM. No votes announced. Meeting dissolved despite claims of adjournment.
28th March Ex-Chairman shares full written legal advice of 25th March with Directors.
1st April Capital Law provides Mrs Reed with a 6 page letter explaining legal position
7th April Letter receipt acknowledged by A Reed lawyers.
14th April In absence of any reply, 2nd Capital Law letter to Reed etc setting out process to resolve the matter and asking for undertakings. Warns that High Court action will follow.
15th April Mrs Reed receives legal “guidance” from Company solicitors (DWF) based on factually inaccurate assertions by whoever instructed DWF. DWF confirm that votes should stand, exactly as they did on 25th March.
16th April Process and Undertakings sought by Plaintiffs on 14th April refused.
19th April Mediation Meeting organised by third parties. Mrs Reed etc refuse to attend.
21st April High Court writ issued.
22nd April Mrs Reed’s solicitor writes saying vote will be released and court case unnecessary.
22nd April Plaintiff Directors receive DWF advice of 15th April and identify “factually inaccurate assertions” on which the DWF advice in relation to “who are the CoM” is based.
23rd April DWF asked to revisit their advice in relation to factual inaccuracy and provided with evidence. As at 28th April two excuses and no reply.
26th April Mrs Reed and “old CoM” hold a “CoM” meeting and unanimously agree to release the vote on 6th May. Given High Court action, Directors; M Donoghue, D Such, P Saglietti, W Griffiths and R Furse cannot attend an illegal meeting .M Donoghue says so and is kicked out.
27/28th April Company sends out messages on Facebook, website and via E mail advising of “adjourned” CoM meeting on 6th May to announce Election results..
11th May High Court hearing of case unless agreement reached on “consent agreement” to be ratified by the court and costs.
Jesus, what a mess. Weren't they fighting about something else a couple of years ago? There was some dispute in the election process for the new Chairman or Chairlady wasn't there? Some people have too much free time.This has dragged on so long it seems logical to provide a timeline.
17th March Last date for receipt of votes
21st March S African votes arrive and M Aylott reports “irregularities” to Chairman but these are mainly about Australian votes.
25th March Chairman receives legal advice stating “…I can't recommend delaying/suspending/cancelling the announcement of the votes.
26th March Chairman calls and Emergency CoM meeting and the CoM vote to delay/suspend/cancel the announcement of the vote.
27th March AGM. No votes announced. Meeting dissolved despite claims of adjournment.
28th March Ex-Chairman shares full written legal advice of 25th March with Directors.
1st April Capital Law provides Mrs Reed with a 6 page letter explaining legal position
7th April Letter receipt acknowledged by A Reed lawyers.
14th April In absence of any reply, 2nd Capital Law letter to Reed etc setting out process to resolve the matter and asking for undertakings. Warns that High Court action will follow.
15th April Mrs Reed receives legal “guidance” from Company solicitors (DWF) based on factually inaccurate assertions by whoever instructed DWF. DWF confirm that votes should stand, exactly as they did on 25th March.
16th April Process and Undertakings sought by Plaintiffs on 14th April refused.
19th April Mediation Meeting organised by third parties. Mrs Reed etc refuse to attend.
21st April High Court writ issued.
22nd April Mrs Reed’s solicitor writes saying vote will be released and court case unnecessary.
22nd April Plaintiff Directors receive DWF advice of 15th April and identify “factually inaccurate assertions” on which the DWF advice in relation to “who are the CoM” is based.
23rd April DWF asked to revisit their advice in relation to factual inaccuracy and provided with evidence. As at 28th April two excuses and no reply.
26th April Mrs Reed and “old CoM” hold a “CoM” meeting and unanimously agree to release the vote on 6th May. Given High Court action, Directors; M Donoghue, D Such, P Saglietti, W Griffiths and R Furse cannot attend an illegal meeting .M Donoghue says so and is kicked out.
27/28th April Company sends out messages on Facebook, website and via E mail advising of “adjourned” CoM meeting on 6th May to announce Election results..
11th May High Court hearing of case unless agreement reached on “consent agreement” to be ratified by the court and costs.
VanquishRider said:
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21st March S African votes arrive and M Aylott reports “irregularities” to Chairman but these are mainly about Australian votes.
21st March S African votes arrive and M Aylott reports “irregularities” to Chairman but these are mainly about Australian votes.
South African and Australian votes !
I cannot understand.
Zimbabwe votes - well there is a reputation, so it might then make some sense.
After the payment of legal costs, who bets on increased membership fees.
Bobajobbob said:
Jesus, what a mess. Weren't they fighting about something else a couple of years ago? There was some dispute in the election process for the new Chairman or Chairlady wasn't there? Some people have too much free time.
As already mentioned, I knew nothing about the latest antics, so thank you VanquishRider for the 'timeline'.
I can remember some years ago, that someone, who I think might have had inside connections with AMOC, was given a contract to 'improve' their website. It was a disaster and their forum became almost unusable. I had thought when Anne Reed was elected Chairman, that members were pleased with the actions which she subsequently implemented.
To be fair to all involved something's have taken forward steps. Some things have gotten worse.
In my opinion what has prevailed is that they have failed to move forward quickly enough. But have also not ensured the club caters for all and certainly not catered for new buyers with the correct type of activities etc.
Total resistance to any form of change by some.
Concours receives far too much of the total focus. Nowt wrong with Concours, but it is not for everyone. Other events have been far too expensive for the pockets of many. But huge amounts of energy was expended on making them happen. More cost effective and events that would appeal to the masses do not really exist at national level.
Area reps (some but not all) do an amazing job and are highly praised by members. But they are almost totally unsupported by HQ so could achieve the same and more with just a little local club.
Some owners are millionaires and some saved all their life for a DB7. Hard to cater for both. I'm not sure they really tried to do that.
In my opinion what has prevailed is that they have failed to move forward quickly enough. But have also not ensured the club caters for all and certainly not catered for new buyers with the correct type of activities etc.
Total resistance to any form of change by some.
Concours receives far too much of the total focus. Nowt wrong with Concours, but it is not for everyone. Other events have been far too expensive for the pockets of many. But huge amounts of energy was expended on making them happen. More cost effective and events that would appeal to the masses do not really exist at national level.
Area reps (some but not all) do an amazing job and are highly praised by members. But they are almost totally unsupported by HQ so could achieve the same and more with just a little local club.
Some owners are millionaires and some saved all their life for a DB7. Hard to cater for both. I'm not sure they really tried to do that.
Do you remember the Burghley House event a few years ago, instigated by Ed, a PH forum member ?
A fantastic day, very well attended by hundreds of Aston Martin owners.
I don't think there was even an entry fee.
Exactly the type of event, which AMOC HQ should be organising annually.
However wealthy one might be, we pay a hundred and something membership, then they invite us all to assemble in the grounds of some stately home for about £75. I don't attend those events on principal.
As has already been said, the local area activities can be better, often free but if necessary, priced sensibly.
Dewi 2 said:
As already mentioned, I knew nothing about the latest antics, so thank you VanquishRider for the 'timeline'.
I can remember some years ago, that someone, who I think might have had inside connections with AMOC, was given a contract to 'improve' their website. It was a disaster and their forum became almost unusable. I had thought when Anne Reed was elected Chairman, that members were pleased with the actions which she subsequently implemented.
t show. The technology was from the myspace era when there there were many off the shelf forum/bulletin boards available. That was when I began to lose interest and never returned. I've never been a massive fan of concours or grass parking lot days unless there is something else to do/watch when I get there like Goodwood but each to their own.
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Do you remember the Burghley House event a few years ago, instigated by Ed, a PH forum member ?
A fantastic day, very well attended by hundreds of Aston Martin owners.
Yes, indeed I am a PH member and this site was the main platform for my never ending promotion of the Burghley event.
Even back then when trying to involve the AMOC there where to many snakes wriggling in the grass for my liking,something which if I'm honest nearly derailed the event.
I'm pleased I stuck with it and along with the massive help and support of my merry band of wonderful volunteers we had a great weekend that was enjoyed by so many in aid of those less fortunate with every bean generated by the Burghley weekend goingt to charity.
Of the faces of the time at AMOC Mark Donoghue was the only one I held with any respect as he was helpful,supportive and generous with his congratulations on an event he called "one of the best he'd ever attended".......something that made all the hard work even more worthwhile.
As for the current storm in a tea cup....... well for me its least said soonest mended but hopefully the club will get around to sorting its self out for the good of all who support both it and the brand.
Best wishes to all and thanks again to all those that supported Burghley 2016.
Ed
Do you remember the Burghley House event a few years ago, instigated by Ed, a PH forum member ?
A fantastic day, very well attended by hundreds of Aston Martin owners.
Yes, indeed I am a PH member and this site was the main platform for my never ending promotion of the Burghley event.
Even back then when trying to involve the AMOC there where to many snakes wriggling in the grass for my liking,something which if I'm honest nearly derailed the event.
I'm pleased I stuck with it and along with the massive help and support of my merry band of wonderful volunteers we had a great weekend that was enjoyed by so many in aid of those less fortunate with every bean generated by the Burghley weekend goingt to charity.
Of the faces of the time at AMOC Mark Donoghue was the only one I held with any respect as he was helpful,supportive and generous with his congratulations on an event he called "one of the best he'd ever attended".......something that made all the hard work even more worthwhile.
As for the current storm in a tea cup....... well for me its least said soonest mended but hopefully the club will get around to sorting its self out for the good of all who support both it and the brand.
Best wishes to all and thanks again to all those that supported Burghley 2016.
Ed
Edited by Ed50 on Wednesday 5th May 19:11
Does anyone know how I can get posting rights on the AMOC forum or see the member only forum posts?
I am an AMOC member. I have a profile on the AMOC website that has all my details including my membership number.
It won’t let me post though, even when I’m logged in. I have filled out the additional profile details for the forum.
Doesn’t work.
Is it like the mason’s?
Do I need greet a committee member with a funny handshake?
Or a code word that I have to shout at the chairman?
What about appearing at AMHT at dawn on the summer solstice? Will that do?
I can post on Pistonheads and I’ve never given them a penny.
I can post on Aston pages on Facebook and they’ve never seen the colour of my money either.
But AMOC who take about £150 out of my bank account every January won’t let me post on the club forum.
I’m struggling to see the benefits of AMOC membership at the moment.
No discount for AMOC events, no access to the forum and no live filming of the committee meetings which would at least give me a laugh.
I think I’ll put Monty Python’s Life of Brian on. I can’t help thinking it may give me an insight as to how the AMOC headquarters operate.
I am an AMOC member. I have a profile on the AMOC website that has all my details including my membership number.
It won’t let me post though, even when I’m logged in. I have filled out the additional profile details for the forum.
Doesn’t work.
Is it like the mason’s?
Do I need greet a committee member with a funny handshake?
Or a code word that I have to shout at the chairman?
What about appearing at AMHT at dawn on the summer solstice? Will that do?
I can post on Pistonheads and I’ve never given them a penny.
I can post on Aston pages on Facebook and they’ve never seen the colour of my money either.
But AMOC who take about £150 out of my bank account every January won’t let me post on the club forum.
I’m struggling to see the benefits of AMOC membership at the moment.
No discount for AMOC events, no access to the forum and no live filming of the committee meetings which would at least give me a laugh.
I think I’ll put Monty Python’s Life of Brian on. I can’t help thinking it may give me an insight as to how the AMOC headquarters operate.
https://forum.amoc.org/latest
Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
VanquishRider said:
https://forum.amoc.org/latest
Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
Thanks for that. Will do.Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
When you were talking about the forum yesterday I thought I’d have another look.
chesby said:
VanquishRider said:
https://forum.amoc.org/latest
Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
Thanks for that. Will do.Go to the page above and literally comment in any thread (anyone can) and Ask Richard Furse to check your membership details. He see every post and usually fixes the same day.
Or you could just ring the clubhouse and ask Marc Aylott the club manager to fix on Monday.
I will check back here to see if you have posted anything saying you still cannot get on the forum.
When you were talking about the forum yesterday I thought I’d have another look.
Registration on the website is different from the forum.
See https://forum.amoc.org/post/forum-access-and-login...
See https://forum.amoc.org/post/forum-access-and-login...
An email from AMOC has just arrived, which perhaps clarifies the disagreement.
Anthony Oade has been elected the new Chairman.
He describes the 2021 election of directors and officers, which should have included on the ballot form, but did not, the overseas Directors of the Club.
All seven overseas directors will now be co-opted onto the Committee of Management.
The Club is a limited company, so therefore the formalities have to be in accord.
I don't know anything about AO, but that is down to me, because I should have paid more attention to the notice of election.
Dewi 2 said:
An email from AMOC has just arrived, which perhaps clarifies the disagreement.
Anthony Oade has been elected the new Chairman.
He describes the 2021 election of directors and officers, which should have included on the ballot form, but did not, the overseas Directors of the Club.
All seven overseas directors will now be co-opted onto the Committee of Management.
The Club is a limited company, so therefore the formalities have to be in accord.
I don't know anything about AO, but that is down to me, because I should have paid more attention to the notice of election.
I never ever got where the membership value was returned as they use unpaid volunteers to drive local meets etc and then everything else was extra. A good effort was made by a local chap here to revive it a couple of years ago but it just didn't have the fit or legs for me. Do far better with informal groups that involve more roads than tables!
The way they piggy backed Ed's huge little bash was a bit odd - thought it should have been the other way round really given they have staff and committees etc
Still a seminal event Ed - even if we did ruin it all with a tombola
The way they piggy backed Ed's huge little bash was a bit odd - thought it should have been the other way round really given they have staff and committees etc
Still a seminal event Ed - even if we did ruin it all with a tombola
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