V12 vantage official
Discussion
AdamV12V said:
Well yes, but no... by the time you have taken 20K out for Romans of the above car, the flipper-buyer is almost certainly running at a loss....
Whenever you see a green Supercar at Romans it’s invariably the owner who specced it. He’s got a huge collection of green supercars and seems to get allocations on everything despite them knowing full well he’s going to sell them on with under 1k miles. Jon39 said:
Minglar said:
AM used to moan a fair bit in the AP days about cars being flipped. But surely they must know who the original purchaser is for each one of these cars from the uniquely numbered plaque, as they are all numbered individually?
That might be the 'official line', but of course every purchase just counts as one more sale to AML.
With this particular limited edition they were quite bold with the list price, so probably take the view, that if a flipper can squeeze a profit out of this, then good luck to them.
I don't know about individual numbering.
The final few VH Vantage limited editions, all had plaques stating '1 of xxx'.
Perhaps they were fed up with half the buyers all wanting 007 of xxx. -
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 10th December 12:26
Best Regards
Minglar
BenAstonV12 said:
This will be interesting, first one at auction in the world? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2022-aston-mar... I wonder if it will go over MSRP/list price.
So what do we think? For me below £300k cayman-black said:
BenAstonV12 said:
This will be interesting, first one at auction in the world? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2022-aston-mar... I wonder if it will go over MSRP/list price.
So what do we think? For me below £300k Im gonna say £275k
Minglar said:
... As far as I know each car has a specific number run of 333 on the plaque rather than each one being the same ie 1 of 333. So I would assume they must know which number relates to which buyer.
Oh that is good. Having done several editions without individual plaque numbering, I just thought they had become lazy.
For V12VT money, it was certainly a small aspect that deserved to be included.
Perhaps you studied some of the for sale photos and spotted a numbered plaque.
All that they can do about flippers, is try to stop them buying in the future. Wanting to sell cars though, makes that a contradiction. Anyway, we all have relatives and friends, who could do the ordering.
Ferrari have it under control. Buy several new cars first, then we might think about considering you for one of our specials, no promises though. -
Jay Leno said he refuses to buy new Ferraris, simply because that game exists.
Minglar said:
Jon39 said:
Minglar said:
AM used to moan a fair bit in the AP days about cars being flipped. But surely they must know who the original purchaser is for each one of these cars from the uniquely numbered plaque, as they are all numbered individually?
That might be the 'official line', but of course every purchase just counts as one more sale to AML.
With this particular limited edition they were quite bold with the list price, so probably take the view, that if a flipper can squeeze a profit out of this, then good luck to them.
I don't know about individual numbering.
The final few VH Vantage limited editions, all had plaques stating '1 of xxx'.
Perhaps they were fed up with half the buyers all wanting 007 of xxx. -
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 10th December 12:26
Best Regards
Minglar
Jon39 said:
Minglar said:
... As far as I know each car has a specific number run of 333 on the plaque rather than each one being the same ie 1 of 333. So I would assume they must know which number relates to which buyer.
Perhaps you studied some of the for sale photos and spotted a numbered plaque.CollectingCars car is 231/333
both are proudly displaying the door plaque in their photos...
AdamV12V said:
Hmm that one is a pretty poor spec i think. No CF packs I can see anywhere and its got the basic seats too. Has aero but that was a no cost option anyway.
Im gonna say £275k
Im gonna say £275k
There is quite a tempting choice of very low mileage V12 cars, some at far lower prices.
£175,000 cash back.
Limited Edition. £200,000 cash back.
Limited Edition. £25,000 cash back.
Calinours said:
Such a shame the new V12V hasn’t been so well received and is so overpriced. Despite the usual marketing guff, it rather looks like it will leave quietly after all.
It’s sad because AM’s very own twin turbo 5.2 V12 is an absolutely stonking engine, very worthy successor of the old n/a lump and it works very well in both DB11 and DBS - traction and tyres being the only reason the DBS isn’t quicker to 60 than the heavyweight 4WD DBX.
A more fitting send off would have been a boosted 750hp+ V12 twin turbo lump shoehorned into the Vantage chassis with the DBX’s 4WD system.
Now that might have been worth all that money
Practically for a moment there is no space for the db11 or dbs v12 torque version. More power, more torque - the known problem of the vantage chassis is the gearbox cannot handle a bigger ZF unit. Hence why AM detuned the v12 engine for the Vantage. It’s sad because AM’s very own twin turbo 5.2 V12 is an absolutely stonking engine, very worthy successor of the old n/a lump and it works very well in both DB11 and DBS - traction and tyres being the only reason the DBS isn’t quicker to 60 than the heavyweight 4WD DBX.
A more fitting send off would have been a boosted 750hp+ V12 twin turbo lump shoehorned into the Vantage chassis with the DBX’s 4WD system.
Now that might have been worth all that money
Regarding the dbx, then you need the merc gearbox and 4wd system which if looking at space,then the same issue exists.
It is obvious from the engine bay, AM had a devil of a job getting the v12 to fit, alongside the cooling pack system (which is one area db11 v8 v v12 has such a weight loss).
Brutally as well, for a special edition, if I had the option, personally speaking I would not want a 4WD system.
AdamV12V said:
cayman-black said:
BenAstonV12 said:
This will be interesting, first one at auction in the world? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2022-aston-mar... I wonder if it will go over MSRP/list price.
So what do we think? For me below £300k Im gonna say £275k
£0 so far.....
AdamV12V said:
The bidding is open!!!
£0 so far.....
£0 so far.....
19/12/2022 7:00 PM
We are cheering for you Adam, regarding the accuracy of your estimate.
For an all black car, I thought the bright red brake calipers have rather spoilt the theme.
I would have chosen black brake calipers and would be driving wearing black clothes, black shoes and big black sun glasses.
I have not studied the details, but presumably the vendor has involved a reserve sale price, although that might not be visible to bidders.
Am of course only asking purely out of interest, so that I know what to do, just in case there is no reserve and no one has bid by 6:55pm. -
Jon39 said:
I wonder whether main dealers would bid on a car like this, up to a price that they know would provide the margin they neeed ?
160k and 20 hours to go, which is deffo still “the right price”, but its also quote normal for the price to shoot up im the closing minutes.
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