New DBS Superleggera
Discussion
Biggest issue was the polish burn through the paint top left of the boot lid:
Boot by v8lemon, on Flickr
IMG_0533 by v8lemon, on Flickr
It was taken to the body shop last week and arrived back Friday.
I bought the registration last year - still advertised on various websites, including the one I bought it from!.
Boot by v8lemon, on FlickrIMG_0533 by v8lemon, on FlickrIt was taken to the body shop last week and arrived back Friday.
I bought the registration last year - still advertised on various websites, including the one I bought it from!.
Edited by V8LM on Sunday 27th January 23:11
V8LM said:
Biggest issue was the polish burn through the paint top left of the boot lid
Glad it was sorted quickly (naturally, it shouldn’t have got through the much-flaunted final inspection in the first place, but they employ humans, so let’s give some slack 
).But the colour combination is absolutely stunning... congrats! I hope you enjoy it for many years.
Another glowing review, the response to the DBS has been so much more clear cut than the DB11 or Vantage, Aston need to find a way to sprinkle some of the DBS's magic on their other two cars to make the whole range unquestionably desirable.
https://youtu.be/IhpM-lsswvU
https://youtu.be/IhpM-lsswvU
PantsFire said:
Another glowing review, the response to the DBS has been so much more clear cut than the DB11 or Vantage, Aston need to find a way to sprinkle some of the DBS's magic on their other two cars to make the whole range unquestionably desirable.
They could start by scrapping the front of the Vantage, accept that it was a failure and re-engineer it along the lines of a mini-DBS. They'd then have two aggressive sports & sports GTs and the DB11 as the more refined grand tourer. RichB said:
They could start by scrapping the front of the Vantage, accept that it was a failure and re-engineer it along the lines of a mini-DBS. They'd then have two aggressive sports & sports GTs and the DB11 as the more refined grand tourer.
Now that's a good idea and would look super aggressive on the Vantage.cayman-black said:
RichB said:
They could start by scrapping the front of the Vantage, accept that it was a failure and re-engineer it along the lines of a mini-DBS. They'd then have two aggressive sports & sports GTs and the DB11 as the more refined grand tourer.
Now that's a good idea and would look super aggressive on the Vantage.RichB said:
They could start by scrapping the front of the Vantage, accept that it was a failure and re-engineer it along the lines of a mini-DBS. They'd then have two aggressive sports & sports GTs and the DB11 as the more refined grand tourer.
But I seem to remember, it was just that overall design philosophy (Vantage, DB9 and DBS), which Aston Martin wanted to eliminate - 'they all look the same'.
We have not yet heard, whether it is now easier for AP's mother.
David W. said:
I’ve always been a great believer in the first loss is the cheapest. Not sure of the sales figures of the new Vantage, but I’d do it asap.
UK 2018 3rd quarter new registrations = 215.
Exports have tended to be around 70%, so therefore a guess might be 720 for the first quarter of production of the new model.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 3rd February 13:54
It would be fairly straightforward to re-engineer a similar DBS-type agressive front bumper for the new Vantage with updated headlight surrounds. I'd even be tempted to re-do the hood with some more aggressive lines even. Put it on a 'S' or (even) a V12 model with some decent hood vents, make some markup $$$ and watch them fly off the dealer lots. Essentially half of what they did to the DB11---->DBS. Would look excellent.
The AP mother quote must be a bad joke, who would base a car company’s design ethos on that and expect success.
I have plagerised this from an aston fb group post:
Da Vinci code used to build Aston Martin
The golden ratio is the proportion of width to height of about 5 to 8, or 1.61, famed in Greek art and design.
Auto designers these days are always talking about proportions as the most important part of a design. They speak of such recondite ratios as “axle to cowl.”
Believers in the power of the ratio argue that rectangles based on it are naturally attractive to the human eye. Some tie it to deep natural ratios, like the Pythagorean Theorem or the Fibonacci numbers, making the proportions sound like a mysterious Da Vinci code of design.
In a New York Times opinion piece, Lance Hosey, a designer and author, writes that the shape appeals because it is inherently fast and speeds up our ability to perceive the world, and without realizing it, we employ it wherever we can.
Adrian Bejan, professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, argues that the Golden Ratio works because the eye grasps it more quickly than others.
This ‘Golden Ratio’ sits at the heart of every Aston Martin. The car is Britain personified in a number of ways and has a long line of legendary heritage. It is classy, stylish, subtle yet strong.
Balanced from any angle, every proportion is precisely measured to create a lithe, pure form. Their engineering follows the same principle. A near perfect weight distribution ensures the cars are balanced in form and in function.
——-
I have plagerised this from an aston fb group post:
Da Vinci code used to build Aston Martin
The golden ratio is the proportion of width to height of about 5 to 8, or 1.61, famed in Greek art and design.
Auto designers these days are always talking about proportions as the most important part of a design. They speak of such recondite ratios as “axle to cowl.”
Believers in the power of the ratio argue that rectangles based on it are naturally attractive to the human eye. Some tie it to deep natural ratios, like the Pythagorean Theorem or the Fibonacci numbers, making the proportions sound like a mysterious Da Vinci code of design.
In a New York Times opinion piece, Lance Hosey, a designer and author, writes that the shape appeals because it is inherently fast and speeds up our ability to perceive the world, and without realizing it, we employ it wherever we can.
Adrian Bejan, professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, argues that the Golden Ratio works because the eye grasps it more quickly than others.
This ‘Golden Ratio’ sits at the heart of every Aston Martin. The car is Britain personified in a number of ways and has a long line of legendary heritage. It is classy, stylish, subtle yet strong.
Balanced from any angle, every proportion is precisely measured to create a lithe, pure form. Their engineering follows the same principle. A near perfect weight distribution ensures the cars are balanced in form and in function.
——-
soofsayer said:
The AP mother quote must be a bad joke, who would base a car company’s design ethos on that and expect success.
I have plagerised this from an aston fb group post:
Da Vinci code used to build Aston Martin
The golden ratio is the proportion of width to height of about 5 to 8, or 1.61, famed in Greek art and design.
Auto designers these days are always talking about proportions as the most important part of a design. They speak of such recondite ratios as “axle to cowl.”
Believers in the power of the ratio argue that rectangles based on it are naturally attractive to the human eye. Some tie it to deep natural ratios, like the Pythagorean Theorem or the Fibonacci numbers, making the proportions sound like a mysterious Da Vinci code of design.
In a New York Times opinion piece, Lance Hosey, a designer and author, writes that the shape appeals because it is inherently fast and speeds up our ability to perceive the world, and without realizing it, we employ it wherever we can.
Adrian Bejan, professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, argues that the Golden Ratio works because the eye grasps it more quickly than others.
This ‘Golden Ratio’ sits at the heart of every Aston Martin. The car is Britain personified in a number of ways and has a long line of legendary heritage. It is classy, stylish, subtle yet strong.
Balanced from any angle, every proportion is precisely measured to create a lithe, pure form. Their engineering follows the same principle. A near perfect weight distribution ensures the cars are balanced in form and in function.
——-
Bejan’s hypothesis quickly falls over as people find objects in the Golden Ratio equally appealing when in portrait as they do in landscape. You can find phi in almost everything if you look. I have spent the best part of 7 years researching it on and off. I have plagerised this from an aston fb group post:
Da Vinci code used to build Aston Martin
The golden ratio is the proportion of width to height of about 5 to 8, or 1.61, famed in Greek art and design.
Auto designers these days are always talking about proportions as the most important part of a design. They speak of such recondite ratios as “axle to cowl.”
Believers in the power of the ratio argue that rectangles based on it are naturally attractive to the human eye. Some tie it to deep natural ratios, like the Pythagorean Theorem or the Fibonacci numbers, making the proportions sound like a mysterious Da Vinci code of design.
In a New York Times opinion piece, Lance Hosey, a designer and author, writes that the shape appeals because it is inherently fast and speeds up our ability to perceive the world, and without realizing it, we employ it wherever we can.
Adrian Bejan, professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, argues that the Golden Ratio works because the eye grasps it more quickly than others.
This ‘Golden Ratio’ sits at the heart of every Aston Martin. The car is Britain personified in a number of ways and has a long line of legendary heritage. It is classy, stylish, subtle yet strong.
Balanced from any angle, every proportion is precisely measured to create a lithe, pure form. Their engineering follows the same principle. A near perfect weight distribution ensures the cars are balanced in form and in function.
——-
cayman-black said:
RichB said:
They could start by scrapping the front of the Vantage, accept that it was a failure and re-engineer it along the lines of a mini-DBS. They'd then have two aggressive sports & sports GTs and the DB11 as the more refined grand tourer.
Now that's a good idea and would look super aggressive on the Vantage.PantsFire said:
The DBS nose is amazing, I'd like to see the Vantage gets an update with a nose that looks more like a baby DBS, they can declare improved performance and offer a nose swap at a discounted price to current owners, then they sell more Vantages because they're better looking while current owners are kept happy. Wins all round.
AlexT said:
It would be fairly straightforward to re-engineer a similar DBS-type agressive front bumper for the new Vantage with updated headlight surrounds. I'd even be tempted to re-do the hood with some more aggressive lines even.
I'd wager you are wrong about this. It would cost a fortune with homologation, type approval, pedestrian crash regulations etc.Gameface said:
AlexT said:
It would be fairly straightforward to re-engineer a similar DBS-type agressive front bumper for the new Vantage with updated headlight surrounds. I'd even be tempted to re-do the hood with some more aggressive lines even.
I'd wager you are wrong about this. It would cost a fortune with homologation, type approval, pedestrian crash regulations etc.Bincenzo said:
Gameface said:
AlexT said:
It would be fairly straightforward to re-engineer a similar DBS-type aggressive front bumper for the new Vantage with updated headlight surrounds. I'd even be tempted to re-do the hood with some more aggressive lines even.
I'd wager you are wrong about this. It would cost a fortune with homologation, type approval, pedestrian crash regulations etc.Gameface said:
I'd wager you are wrong about this. It would cost a fortune with homologation, type approval, pedestrian crash regulations etc.
And I'd wager they'd recoup the losses on R&D with increased profit margins & sales. Yes there would be some additional expense but it's a one off cost to be mitigated by increased volumes & brand awareness. AM need volume for this new model. As it stands is the Vantage selling enough units to offset their costs? Their yearly target I recall is 3500 units. Say it costs 10 million quid to re-engineer just the bumper alone (just as a figure). That would need an increase of approx. 2800 per car sold in the 1st year to breakeven or a few hundred if spread over the entire life cycle. Furthermore, this profit margin could be built into a 'S' model quite reasonably. Or even have it as a 'Q' / AMR option. If it looks great and is mildly functional, people will pay for it.The new Vantage is already priced well above about the old; I would imagine the margins are greater in this new car. Would love to know! And an 'S' or other special edition (V12 manual??) with a simple, cost-effective remap of the tremendous TT V8 would really put the car front & centre for enthusiasts - in the long run yielding dividends for AM.
Edited by AlexT on Monday 4th February 01:03
I don’t think that AML‘s future is confined to the success of the Vantage and whether they sell 3500 or 5000 cars a year. I think that AML as a stand alone company cannot survive in the long term. Investments in new drivetrains / hybrids etc are only going one way and also the world wide distribution will need huge investments in marketing. I cannot see how AML can do this being an independent company. Looking at the Porsche 992, Aston is one or two generations behind in terms of tech content. Porsche is financing all this by selling thousands of Macans and Cayennes based on shared platforms from the VAG Group. AML needs a technology partner fast - not just a facelift for the Vantage.
AlexT said:
Gameface said:
I'd wager you are wrong about this. It would cost a fortune with homologation, type approval, pedestrian crash regulations etc.
And I'd wager they'd recoup the losses on R&D with increased profit margins & sales. Yes there would be some additional expense but it's a one off cost to be mitigated by increased volumes & brand awareness. AM need volume for this new model. As it stands is the Vantage selling enough units to offset their costs? Their yearly target I recall is 3500 units. Say it costs 10 million quid to re-engineer just the bumper alone (just as a figure). That would need an increase of approx. 2800 per car sold in the 1st year to breakeven or a few hundred if spread over the entire life cycle. Furthermore, this profit margin could be built into a 'S' model quite reasonably. Or even have it as a 'Q' / AMR option. If it looks great and is mildly functional, people will pay for it.The new Vantage is already priced well above about the old; I would imagine the margins are greater in this new car. Would love to know! And an 'S' or other special edition (V12 manual??) with a simple, cost-effective remap of the tremendous TT V8 would really put the car front & centre for enthusiasts - in the long run yielding dividends for AM.
Edited by AlexT on Monday 4th February 01:03
Personally I think it's got other problems such as comedically small exhausts (easy fix) and a lacklustre interior (not so easy to fix).
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