Number of Manual DBS Volantes

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mikey k said:

Might be worth starting a new thread on manual DBS's?

Good idea, so here it is. Below you will find all that is already published about this what I could find. Please add additional info when possible.

hornbaek said:

The fact that there are 3 manuals for sale in the classifieds is more relevant than the actual numbers produced. It just tells that there is not a huge demand for manual Astons and that is despite the fact that the AMS-shift is poor in relation to what competitors have to offer.

Could be, but most Manual drivers I know would never trade it in for a classic torque convertor box (as in the new Vanquish), at best for a dual clutch box.

downr said:

I've seen 3 up for sale in the uk in the last few months (not that I've been looking!)

One in black/chancellor red leather interior
One in mako blue (think it was tan interior)

And there's a silver one up at the moment with a main stealer

All DBS Volantes? All RHD I assume.

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jonby said:

I didn't think there were even 100 made - in the UK, I've only seen reference to a couple. Would be interesting to know exactly how many there are. Fully agree, will be a highly desirable car in the future

The rough DBS numbers (coupe, volante, manual, auto) where calculated in another thread, and a product manager from AM told me that it was less then 100 for the DBS Volante Manual, but since 10 is also less then 100, it would be interesting to know the numbers more precies indeed :-)

Let's start here on the forum with owners and other knowledge present.

I know that in Holland there are 2 LHD manual DBS Volantes (one black UB2010 and mine in Hammerhead silver).

Then there is the RHD car the Top Gear guys drove to Rumania (Silver/Red interior, see http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-14... ).

Anymore here on the forum?

AWV12 said:

Better first choose which car you like most (they have the same engine and transmission, but suspension, wheelbase, etc are different as well as the behaviour on the road, for me the DBS was the best choice, for others the V12V).

About value: nobody knows, but looking at exclusivity/scarcity:

4: DBS Coupe Manual: little over 1100 made
3: V12V Coupe Manual: little over 1000 made
2: V12V Roadster Manual: 100 made
1: DBS Volante Manual: less then 100 made

(see earlier thread about guestimate of DBS production numbers)

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Beefmeister said:

Anyone know how many DBS Volantes were made as a manual?

Not much, especially since at the launch of the DBS Volante (2009), the TT2 auto gearbox was introduced, which was bought by 90% of the buyers from that moment onwards (all DBS Coupes until 2009 are manual gearboxes).

Let's try to make an estimate: in total about 3385 DBS have been produced over the years 2007-2012 (see http://www.amoc.org/forum/index.php?topic=26176.0)... first and last year probably not so much, and peak in 2010 and 2011. Split Coupe/Volante 50/50? And TT2/manual 90/10 (95/5 for the Volante).

This makes the following estimate:
- 2007: 300 (Coupe, Manual)
- 2008: 500 (C, M)
- 2009: 700 (500 C (300 M, 200 TT), 200 Volante (50 M, 150 TT))
- 2010: 800 (400 C (40 M, 360 TT), 400 V (20 M, 380 TT))
- 2011: 800 (400 C (40 M, 360 TT), 400 V (20 M, 380 TT))
- 2012: 285 (140 C (14 M, 126 TT), 145 V (5 M, 140 TT))

So in total: 3385 DBS, of which 2240 Coupes (1194 Manual, 1046 TT2) and 1145 Volantes (95 Manual, 1050 TT).

I remember this "almost 100" Manual DBS Volantes also from another calculation a while ago, so this seems a good estimate.

And I am happy I own one of those! :-))))

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At least it has some experience on "difficult" roads in rural Rumania :-)

BTW, which idiot put on those ugly wheels..........?

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Here one rare Manual DBS Volante for sale: https://kroymans.nl/stock/stock-detail/12850743/As...

Prices are rising, that's good (I will stick to mine for a while :-)), and interesting quote about the numbers produced:

"Not more than 852 DBS Volante units left the Gaydon production facility between 2009-2012. Of that total production run, only 43 units were equipped with the 6-Speed Manual transmission!"

So that is even 50% of the estimate I made earlier in this thread!

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It indeed depends on the guy you speak with, whether it is Kroymans, CITO or any other dealership, to see if they are knowledgable or not in this respect.

Since overhere (in NL) we have a totally different (and exorbitant) tax regime on cars, you can not simply do a relative / % compare with the UK or any other country.

For instance, on a new DBS Volante Manual there was not only the well-known (21%) VAT, but also about Euro 85K CO2 tax (BPM) added (so new price was around Euro 380K here). On the new DB11 it is happily a lot less, because of lower CO2 emissions, but still significant (around Euro 50K?). For 2nd hand cars, this CO2 tax is depreciated with a certain aging formula, but on a 2011 car, still big chunk of this tax (about Euro 30K) is part of the cars pricing. So you first have to correct this CO2 tax, and THEN make the relative comparison with other countries. For this specific car, they sell it also for export, and then the price is Euro 266K (including 21% VAT), see http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

And then there always is a difference between LHD and RHD cars, depending on the volumes made for each, and of course the demand.

Since a new DBS Volante Manual overhere was around Euro 380K from new back in 2011, and 2nd hands where down to around Euro 150K two years ago, but are now back to Euro 200K for the TT and this Manual one has a price tag of Euro 295K, this gives an idea about the trend where it is going (all prices including the mentioned [depreciated] CO2 tax).

BTW, nice pics of this Manual DBS Volante (RHD), will post mine (LHD) later (Hammerhead with silver/grey softtop).

Edited by AWV12 on Sunday 6th November 18:01

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Finally we know the answer to the Thread Question: in the current AM Quarterly (Winter 2018/2019) a 3-page article shows all details about the DBS Volante production numbers!

Thx TIm et al for the superb work researching this!

The numbers are lower than my earlier guestimate and happy to see there are only 44 DBS Volantes with Manual Gearbox, of which only 10 in mainland Europe (assume those are all LHD) and only 8 RHD (of which 4 are press cars, including the famous car shown in the Top Gear roadtrip to Romania).

Edited by AWV12 on Saturday 2nd February 15:02