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If you've had the pleasure to work on both I'll guarantee you'll never buy another Mitsubishi!!! awful things to work on, designed by contortionists, they also have a nasty habit of blowing engines through oil feed issues & all the other gizmos's have an equaly bad habit of going wrong. Toyota's on the other hand are a joy to work on, they seem to be inherently reliable, they're also rwd which is a big bonus.
Edited by cptsideways on Thursday 8th March 08:45
The supra will be cheaper to run and tune, but as other have said the dash is not the best. The GTO is a bugger to work on, so unless you do things yourself labour costs will add up, plus its quite a heavy car.
Also if you can afford the insurance get the TT of either becuase after a couple of months you will be kicking yourself if you don't.
Also if you can afford the insurance get the TT of either becuase after a couple of months you will be kicking yourself if you don't.
Gazboy said:
iaint said:
Gazboy said:
Robatr0n said:
When my car starts behaving itself I dont mind a run upto 100(kph) with you! Nothing over mind you because I know the supra will still be pulling strong to about 160! 
Cheeky git! 100kph! Bit of a short game eh?
lets start at 100mph....
Can I play too Gaz?
Sure, have your AA card ready
Oh, I don't know - still managed 162mph through the beams with a fragged rotor tip
iaint said:
Gazboy said:
iaint said:
Gazboy said:
Robatr0n said:
When my car starts behaving itself I dont mind a run upto 100(kph) with you! Nothing over mind you because I know the supra will still be pulling strong to about 160! Cheeky git! 100kph! Bit of a short game eh?
lets start at 100mph....
Can I play too Gaz?
Sure, have your AA card ready
Oh, I don't know - still managed 162mph through the beams with a fragged rotor tip
were your brakes Binding?
Edited by Turbo T on Thursday 8th March 10:37
Reading this thread I'm surprised anyone ever manages to sell a GTO!
Who bought them when new?? Apart from maintenance is the drive remotely comparable to similar cars (big heavy bruisers)? There seem to be more of them about than ever before, even though they're quite old - are they all imports?
Who bought them when new?? Apart from maintenance is the drive remotely comparable to similar cars (big heavy bruisers)? There seem to be more of them about than ever before, even though they're quite old - are they all imports?
pentoman said:
Reading this thread I'm surprised anyone ever manages to sell a GTO!
Well i guess my brother might have bought one if he hadn't asked me & i hadn't started this thread!
I knew the reputation of Supras was good but hadn't realised quite how incomparable they were - think i will be pointing him towards one of them
Depends what comes more to the top of his list.
In stock form:
If its acceleration then get the Supra
If its cornering speed then get the Supra
If its looks then get the Supra
If its to modify then get the Supra
If its for the track then get the Supra
If its for snowy or icey conditions get the GTO
What wrong with the Supra dash by the way ?? I think its great, it curves round you like a cockpit and every dial and button points towards the driver. Everything is in easy reach and it is laid out intelligently.
To be honest they are both good performing hi-tech cars, but from an onwer and a true enthusiastic driver I have loved every minute of my Supra. Even contemplated changing it for a Noble M400 but decided to keep it.
In stock form:
If its acceleration then get the Supra
If its cornering speed then get the Supra
If its looks then get the Supra
If its to modify then get the Supra
If its for the track then get the Supra
If its for snowy or icey conditions get the GTO
What wrong with the Supra dash by the way ?? I think its great, it curves round you like a cockpit and every dial and button points towards the driver. Everything is in easy reach and it is laid out intelligently.
To be honest they are both good performing hi-tech cars, but from an onwer and a true enthusiastic driver I have loved every minute of my Supra. Even contemplated changing it for a Noble M400 but decided to keep it.
speedmachine said:
I know the comparison going on here is between the supra and GTO but why don't you get you brother to consider the Skyline R33 GTR? Its got the looks and performance to match.
I'm afraid I have to agree with my brother on this one - they are a bit too "chav"!
Great performance though, shame about image - would happily have a 'discrete' one myself
Performance wise there is very little between the R33 GTR & a MKIV TT Supra in stock trim, with the Supra having the edge slightly. The Skylines clearly have better traction, but the Supras are stronger, both mechanically, and build wise. There is still some additional kudos attached to the GTR which I never really understood, but because of that the MKIV Supra is better VFM. More importantly with the Supra, you wont get raped for servicing or tuning on the MKIV.
Turbo T said:
iaint said:
Gazboy said:
iaint said:
Gazboy said:
Robatr0n said:
When my car starts behaving itself I dont mind a run upto 100(kph) with you! Nothing over mind you because I know the supra will still be pulling strong to about 160! Cheeky git! 100kph! Bit of a short game eh?
lets start at 100mph....
Can I play too Gaz?
Sure, have your AA card ready
Oh, I don't know - still managed 162mph through the beams with a fragged rotor tip
were your brakes Binding?
I left the handbreak on 172 on the 1st run on medium boost though which was a 18mph gain on the previous VMax...
Get the car back next week with an engine that is good (on current fuelling and turbo) for 500fwhp. Don't think I dare run it like that though. It's getting expensive enough as it is.
Robatr0n said:
In standard form they are very similiar spec. I have an MTM chip therefore making the car a 'tad' nippier.
A mate of mine has just sold his S2 and bought a supra TT. He is adamant that a standard supra TT against a chipped S2 would not catch up until speeds went past 100 where the supra just keeps pulling like a train
A mate of mine has just sold his S2 and bought a supra TT. He is adamant that a standard supra TT against a chipped S2 would not catch up until speeds went past 100 where the supra just keeps pulling like a train
Just out of interest what is the spec?
pentoman said:
Reading this thread I'm surprised anyone ever manages to sell a GTO!
Who bought them when new?? Apart from maintenance is the drive remotely comparable to similar cars (big heavy bruisers)? There seem to be more of them about than ever before, even though they're quite old - are they all imports?
Who bought them when new?? Apart from maintenance is the drive remotely comparable to similar cars (big heavy bruisers)? There seem to be more of them about than ever before, even though they're quite old - are they all imports?
This is the problem with GTOs/3000GTs you see. When they were new they cost around £40k which bearing in mind they were produced from around 1991 to 1999 is a lot of money. Obviously only daft rich people bought them and only crap knackered ones have been selling for the price most normal people would pay for that kind of car. These inevitably ended up blowing up, costing a fortune to run and getting a bad reputation. Good ones at the moment however are going for around £10k but these are generally the UK spec (3000GT) and are really quite rare. The GTOs go for quite a bit less as they are imports and therefore can sometimes be dodgy hence more horror stories, these are a bit more common these days.
If you have the money I wouldn't write off the possibility of getting a good one just because of what people have said in this thread. Don't get me wrong a lot of it is true. They are heavy, if they aren't looked after they will go wrong, if they are looked after they are generally OK as long as they were in good nick to start with. They aren't track day cars really (although they do a decent job, there are videos of them competing well with Skylines and Supras round the track).
They are hard to work on as the engine bay is really cramped - I'm getting used to doing most things on mine myself. Parts aren't reaaly a problem any more as there are a couple of good companies around that can get parts cheap and tuning parts are now a lot more common. A proper 400bhp is very achievable given a bit of dosh and a sensible attitude to modding. Fuel supply and oil pressure are the things you need to be concerned with in terms of things that can trash the engine.
The GTOs are around 280 bhp and the 3000GTs are around 320bhp although it does vary and 300bhp is more realistic - around 5.2 seconds 0-60 if I remember correctly and a top speed of 160+ mph so it's no slouch either (hence my disbelief that an S2 could beat it!)
In my opinion if someone is thinking of getting one I would say test drive a good, Mk2 model and see how you feel. It will either grab you or it won't, they are a bit marmite. There are a lot of people with GTOs who love them to bits and there are the people who have been bitten by bad ones. Personally I think the Mk2s are better looking than the Supra (don't get me wrong Supras are great looking cars), they are rare which adds to the appeal and if you like people asking you about them on a regular basis then you may be able to put up with the lack of balls to the wall speed that the Supra has.
A standard 5 speed S2 (which I have) is 220bhp. The 0-60 figures are 5.7 and it can do a standing quarter in just over 14 seconds.
Mine is pushing (should be) 280bhp when it is healthy. The car was timed pulling a 5.1 0-60 run and a standing quarter of 13.5!
As I said, as far as I was aware the driver was going for it. For all I know he may own a very unhealthy GTO or he may just be a crap driver...
Mine is pushing (should be) 280bhp when it is healthy. The car was timed pulling a 5.1 0-60 run and a standing quarter of 13.5!
As I said, as far as I was aware the driver was going for it. For all I know he may own a very unhealthy GTO or he may just be a crap driver...
Robatr0n said:
A standard 5 speed S2 (which I have) is 220bhp. The 0-60 figures are 5.7 and it can do a standing quarter in just over 14 seconds.
Mine is pushing (should be) 280bhp when it is healthy. The car was timed pulling a 5.1 0-60 run and a standing quarter of 13.5!
As I said, as far as I was aware the driver was going for it. For all I know he may own a very unhealthy GTO or he may just be a crap driver...
Mine is pushing (should be) 280bhp when it is healthy. The car was timed pulling a 5.1 0-60 run and a standing quarter of 13.5!
As I said, as far as I was aware the driver was going for it. For all I know he may own a very unhealthy GTO or he may just be a crap driver...
I'd say your current spec is pretty much identical to a healthy GTO as that should have a quarter of 13.5. Stock for stock should be the GTOs I'd say though.
(Actually edited to add that a stock GTO has a quarter of 14.5 whereas a 3000GT has a quarter of 13.5 so I can believe you beat a GTO with your spec).
Saying that congratulations on your spec - must be fun!
Edited by MarkK on Saturday 10th March 12:28
Edited by MarkK on Saturday 10th March 12:47
I love the GTO,not a fan of the supra (mainly how they look). I was going to buy the Mitsi GT3000,but changed my mind and bought an Audi S4.I think im right in saying the GTO is an import and the GT3000 is uk spec.Go for the uk spec,maybe a bit cheaper if work needs doing. GT3000 lovely looking cars,4 wheel drive and 4wheel steer,and all the toys inside.Other option to look out for the Nissan 300zx twin turbo.nice cars too.Happy car hunting though
Sorry, I'm a bit late to this thread.
Yes, I did have a GTO, then an FTO and then an RX7.
The GTO was a great car, it was my first car
and it taught me a lot about driving fast whilst in a fairly safe setting, it was very difficult to lose it, the rear wheels turned in (only a little bit, IIRC 1.5 degrees) and then it was like it was on rails, roundabouts were dispatched at up to 70 with no drama. There is a lot to go wrong, only one of my active aero spoilers worked and it was prohibitively expensive to repair the other. I seemed to get through a fair few CV boots too. Fuel was about 17-18mpg overall. Mine had a fair few engine tweaks done by the previous (Japanese) owner and was running under 5 seconds to 60.
The only thing against it compared to, say, the RX7 (I've not had that much time behind the wheel of a Mk4 Supra to compare it properly) is that it was so good at its job that it wasn't that involving driving, compared to the RX where coming into a bend too hot resulted in exiting sideways the GTO just hunkered down (they are a heavy car, as is the Supra) and went round even with worst case scenario measures like braking. Mine was a nice grade 4 import, a lovely set of Volk hollow spoked magnesium wheels, a lightweight and great quality Nakamichi CD changer, engine mods, Apaxi Super Megaphone exhaust, Blitz engine bits etc, that was £7k back in 2001. Now twin turbos are going for as little as £3k although I'd be concerned at that as to what kind of life they'd led.
In comparison the RX7 was a lot more involving to drive being RWD but it was remarkably expensive to run, not in maintenance but in insurance and fuel not to mention lots of oil.
Yes, I did have a GTO, then an FTO and then an RX7.
The GTO was a great car, it was my first car
and it taught me a lot about driving fast whilst in a fairly safe setting, it was very difficult to lose it, the rear wheels turned in (only a little bit, IIRC 1.5 degrees) and then it was like it was on rails, roundabouts were dispatched at up to 70 with no drama. There is a lot to go wrong, only one of my active aero spoilers worked and it was prohibitively expensive to repair the other. I seemed to get through a fair few CV boots too. Fuel was about 17-18mpg overall. Mine had a fair few engine tweaks done by the previous (Japanese) owner and was running under 5 seconds to 60. The only thing against it compared to, say, the RX7 (I've not had that much time behind the wheel of a Mk4 Supra to compare it properly) is that it was so good at its job that it wasn't that involving driving, compared to the RX where coming into a bend too hot resulted in exiting sideways the GTO just hunkered down (they are a heavy car, as is the Supra) and went round even with worst case scenario measures like braking. Mine was a nice grade 4 import, a lovely set of Volk hollow spoked magnesium wheels, a lightweight and great quality Nakamichi CD changer, engine mods, Apaxi Super Megaphone exhaust, Blitz engine bits etc, that was £7k back in 2001. Now twin turbos are going for as little as £3k although I'd be concerned at that as to what kind of life they'd led.
In comparison the RX7 was a lot more involving to drive being RWD but it was remarkably expensive to run, not in maintenance but in insurance and fuel not to mention lots of oil.
AJI said:
What wrong with the Supra dash by the way ?? I think its great, it curves round you like a cockpit and every dial and button points towards the driver. Everything is in easy reach and it is laid out intelligently.
I don't doubt for one second that the dash board is very ergonomically laid out, its just that looks a bit old fashioned in contrast to the still modern looking exterior.
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