Litchfield Type -25.
Discussion
ScoobieWRX said:
I'll wait till i get the Litchfield 
A litchfield was on my list, I just couldn't quite justify spending 40k on a car. However my next car will almost certainly be a type 25, just got to start putting a bit of money to one side. The type 25 is the STi that subaru should have built. Mine drives pretty well so I can't imagine how good a Type 25 must be. A car you can go to the shops in, have a family holiday in and then blast past a £120k supercar in. MilnerR said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I'll wait till i get the Litchfield
A litchfield was on my list, I just couldn't quite justify spending 40k on a car. However my next car will almost certainly be a type 25, just got to start putting a bit of money to one side. The type 25 is the STi that subaru should have built. Mine drives pretty well so I can't imagine how good a Type 25 must be. A car you can go to the shops in, have a family holiday in and then blast past a £120k supercar in. Absolutely!!
ScoobieWRX said:
MilnerR said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I'll wait till i get the Litchfield
A litchfield was on my list, I just couldn't quite justify spending 40k on a car. However my next car will almost certainly be a type 25, just got to start putting a bit of money to one side. The type 25 is the STi that subaru should have built. Mine drives pretty well so I can't imagine how good a Type 25 must be. A car you can go to the shops in, have a family holiday in and then blast past a £120k supercar in. Absolutely!!
Yep me too. I've thought lomg and hard about this over the last 6 weeks or so ( don't make rash decisions me!)and I can't bring myself to spend £40K on it. The car is bloody good but at that level the price is a Psycological (spell?) barrier. At 35 grand it would be much more tempting, but I don't s'pose you'd then get the Cossie engine that gives the car so much character.So anyway when they've been out a year...........................
sjc said:
but I don't s'pose you'd then get the Cossie engine that gives the car so much character.So anyway when they've been out a year...........................
Its just a 2.5 subaru engine, which happens to have been built buy Cosworth, any good engine builder would build you a 2.5 for far less money, which is just as good.
vixpy1 said:
sjc said:
but I don't s'pose you'd then get the Cossie engine that gives the car so much character.So anyway when they've been out a year...........................
Its just a 2.5 subaru engine, which happens to have been built buy Cosworth, any good engine builder would build you a 2.5 for far less money, which is just as good.
Wouldn't disagree ( although it's in fact designed, developed and built by Cosworth) but it wouldn't have the kudos of a "signed" Cossie engine , and having driven it back to back with the previous Type-25 350 brake 2.5, it really does make the car.
350bhp is par for the course for any STi and i've heard of WRX's with 300 - 350bhp (standard engine). A new exhaust, engine management mapping and improved breathing will get you there and remain pretty reliable as the standard engines WRX or STi are pretty bullet proof.
However, to get to 415 - 450bhp and beyond requires significant internal engine changes and i can't think of anyone apart from Cosworth and Prodrive that i could trust to provide an engine with those amounts of horsepower and still be super reliable. In fact for me it would be Cosworth every time.
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting and hypothetically if i won the Lottery tomorrow above anything else i would have a Litchfield Type25 for starters and i would get a legacy 3.0 R spec B estate and get Litchfield to do their thing with that so i had a good high speed load carrier as well. Talk about the ultimate Qcar!!
However, to get to 415 - 450bhp and beyond requires significant internal engine changes and i can't think of anyone apart from Cosworth and Prodrive that i could trust to provide an engine with those amounts of horsepower and still be super reliable. In fact for me it would be Cosworth every time.
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting and hypothetically if i won the Lottery tomorrow above anything else i would have a Litchfield Type25 for starters and i would get a legacy 3.0 R spec B estate and get Litchfield to do their thing with that so i had a good high speed load carrier as well. Talk about the ultimate Qcar!!
vixpy1 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting
I do
OK...enlighten me..why do you think it's a lot of money, and could you get exactly the same results, to the same quality of a fully specced Litchfield, for less money.
What other comparable vehicles are out there with the same practicality and turn of speed both bottom end and top end. I'm not talking about looks either as that really is subjective, but pound for pound on par with the Litchfield.
ScoobieWRX said:
vixpy1 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting
I do
OK...enlighten me..why do you think it's a lot of money, and could you get exactly the same results, to the same quality of a fully specced Litchfield, for less money.
What other comparable vehicles are out there with the same practicality and turn of speed both bottom end and top end. I'm not talking about looks either as that really is subjective, but pound for pound on par with the Litchfield.
A 56-plate Evo 360 for £27,000 would be better value.
Beemer-5 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
vixpy1 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting
I do
OK...enlighten me..why do you think it's a lot of money, and could you get exactly the same results, to the same quality of a fully specced Litchfield, for less money.
What other comparable vehicles are out there with the same practicality and turn of speed both bottom end and top end. I'm not talking about looks either as that really is subjective, but pound for pound on par with the Litchfield.
A 56-plate Evo 360 for £27,000 would be better value.
I never said better value, and in any case how can you compare an EVO 360 to a Litchfield Type25, behave
...i said pound for pound....and not even the FQ-400 would touch it pound for pound 
Beemer-5 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
vixpy1 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I don't think it is a lot of money for what you're getting
I do
OK...enlighten me..why do you think it's a lot of money, and could you get exactly the same results, to the same quality of a fully specced Litchfield, for less money.
What other comparable vehicles are out there with the same practicality and turn of speed both bottom end and top end. I'm not talking about looks either as that really is subjective, but pound for pound on par with the Litchfield.
A 56-plate Evo 360 for £27,000 would be better value.
Drove the EVO 360 the day before I drove the Type-25. Not in the same league at all.
I don't doubt for 1 second the EVO 360 is a truly great car, but the Litchfield is a completely different animal altogether. What bugs me is that people keep trying to compare them to off the shelf vehicles, which off the shelf it most certainly isn't.
In all honesty the Litchfield is a bespoke piece of kit, that many have said the Sti should have been. However, that is still quite a tall order for a standard production car and people won't pay £40K - £45K for a Scooby...and quite right too....but the Litchfield doesn't even drive like a Scooby and in reality the only similarities are the looks.
There are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the Litchfield Type25 concept and i for one accept that but i know different. When you start comparing the performance figures/lap times of the Litchfield to that of Lambo's, top end porkers and the like you begin appreciate just how different the Litchfield is compared to other cars like the STi and EVO.
Sorry but i am so besotted by the Litchfield Type25, i can't wait to get my hands on one. I've never had this kind of passion for any Exotica or track day toy (except for a Koenigsegg), and that feeling just says to me i'm on the right track. So what if it's plain looking and some say fugly.....I DON'T BLOODY CARE!!
In all honesty the Litchfield is a bespoke piece of kit, that many have said the Sti should have been. However, that is still quite a tall order for a standard production car and people won't pay £40K - £45K for a Scooby...and quite right too....but the Litchfield doesn't even drive like a Scooby and in reality the only similarities are the looks.
There are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the Litchfield Type25 concept and i for one accept that but i know different. When you start comparing the performance figures/lap times of the Litchfield to that of Lambo's, top end porkers and the like you begin appreciate just how different the Litchfield is compared to other cars like the STi and EVO.
Sorry but i am so besotted by the Litchfield Type25, i can't wait to get my hands on one. I've never had this kind of passion for any Exotica or track day toy (except for a Koenigsegg)
, and that feeling just says to me i'm on the right track. So what if it's plain looking and some say fugly.....I DON'T BLOODY CARE!! Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 1st March 18:39
ScoobieWRX said:
I don't doubt for 1 second the EVO 360 is a truly great car, but the Litchfield is a completely different animal altogether. What bugs me is that people keep trying to compare them to off the shelf vehicles, which off the shelf it most certainly isn't.
In all honesty the Litchfield is a bespoke piece of kit, that many have said the Sti should have been. However, that is still quite a tall order for a standard production car and people won't pay £40K - £45K for a Scooby...and quite right too....but the Litchfield doesn't even drive like a Scooby and in reality the only similarities are the looks.
There are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the Litchfield Type25 concept and i for one accept that but i know different. When you start comparing the performance figures/lap times of the Litchfield to that of Lambo's, top end porkers and the like you begin appreciate just how different the Litchfield is compared to other cars like the STi and EVO.
Sorry but i am so besotted by the Litchfield Type25, i can't wait to get my hands on one. I've never had this kind of passion for any Exotica or track day toy (except for a Koenigsegg), and that feeling just says to me i'm on the right track. So what if it's plain looking and some say fugly.....I DON'T BLOODY CARE!!
In all honesty the Litchfield is a bespoke piece of kit, that many have said the Sti should have been. However, that is still quite a tall order for a standard production car and people won't pay £40K - £45K for a Scooby...and quite right too....but the Litchfield doesn't even drive like a Scooby and in reality the only similarities are the looks.
There are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the Litchfield Type25 concept and i for one accept that but i know different. When you start comparing the performance figures/lap times of the Litchfield to that of Lambo's, top end porkers and the like you begin appreciate just how different the Litchfield is compared to other cars like the STi and EVO.
Sorry but i am so besotted by the Litchfield Type25, i can't wait to get my hands on one. I've never had this kind of passion for any Exotica or track day toy (except for a Koenigsegg)
, and that feeling just says to me i'm on the right track. So what if it's plain looking and some say fugly.....I DON'T BLOODY CARE!! Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 1st March 18:39
I feel the same way,..the lap times are stupendous. It really is an amazing piece of kit. But I need another pher to buy one first!
[quote=ScoobieWRXI never said better value, and in any case how can you compare an EVO 360 to a Litchfield Type25, behave ...i said pound for pound....and not even the FQ-400 would touch it pound for pound
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I say you can compare the two, apart from price.
£40K new, not much different used, and £27K in mint condition.
Evo 360---366bhp and 363 lbs-ft @ 3200 rpm. 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and 100 in 10.7.
165 mph top speed.
On the road, the slight edge the other £13K buys you would be noticeable about twice a year!
You certainly CAN compare them!
...i said pound for pound....and not even the FQ-400 would touch it pound for pound [/quote]
I say you can compare the two, apart from price.
£40K new, not much different used, and £27K in mint condition.
Evo 360---366bhp and 363 lbs-ft @ 3200 rpm. 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and 100 in 10.7.
165 mph top speed.
On the road, the slight edge the other £13K buys you would be noticeable about twice a year!
You certainly CAN compare them!
As I said, not in the same league.A totally bespoke re-engineered allrounder compared with a production car that I could never have as a day to day car with its on/off throttle ,poor ride, rubbish noise, nasty interior,silly service intervals and image.(No offence meant to owners all IMHO!)I've driven both virtually back to back and there's only one I would consider owning.Those who are talking about "you can get an engine with a zillion HP for blah blah so its crap value" are totally and utterly missing the point of the whole car.You'll only "get" the car by driving it. Oh, and if we're talking tuning, another 50BHP is £1500
sjc said:
As I said, not in the same league.A totally bespoke re-engineered all rounder compared with a production car that I could never have as a day to day car with its on/off throttle ,poor ride, rubbish noise, nasty interior,silly service intervals and image.(No offence meant to owners all IMHO!)I've driven both virtually back to back and there's only one I would consider owning.Those who are talking about "you can get an engine with a zillion HP for blah blah so its crap value" are totally and utterly missing the point of the whole car.You'll only "get" the car by driving it. Oh, and if we're talking tuning, another 50BHP is £1500
Totally agree about the Evo...you can chuck 700/800bhp into it if you like but you get to a point whereby it's too many horses for the car (and the electronics) and it becomes undriveable as an everyday hack, and even on track it will have difficulty in being able to put the horses down properly 4x4 or not. It doesn't give you better lap times either because you're sliding around everywhere, and the tarmac may as well be ice. McLaren SLR for one, as lovely as it is.
My understanding was that there is a 450bhp upgrade which uses a modified intercooler to gain the extra 35 horses over the 415bhp, i had no idea though (although i was sure it could be done easily enough and hoped they might) they offered a 508bhp upgrade. Blimey!!! So long as it's reliable and sticks to the road what the heck. I wonder what the torque figures are. Mmmmmm more horses
P.S. You service the Litchfield every 10K still, i think the Evo is every 4.5K...hmmmm
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