Driving a Z4...
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Sortie 10 said:
Recently took out an S2000 as Honda were offering a free pair of Oakleys to do so!
Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
I agree with quite a bit you say although I have never found the ride bad but I found it better after moving away from Honda's recommended rubber. Also I have never had a rattle from the hood but I have heard that can happen and with regards problems putting it up when in the car alone, I can only assume you have very short arms Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
Paul R said:
Sortie 10 said:
Recently took out an S2000 as Honda were offering a free pair of Oakleys to do so!
Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
I agree with quite a bit you say although I have never found the ride bad but I found it better after moving away from Honda's recommended rubber. Also I have never had a rattle from the hood but I have heard that can happen and with regards problems putting it up when in the car alone, I can only assume you have very short arms Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
Sortie 10 said:
Recently took out an S2000 as Honda were offering a free pair of Oakleys to do so!
Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
I have just sold an 04 S2000 and replaced with a Z4 3.0 both great cars and I dont agree with any of you negative comments about the S2k did you really drive one? Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
Roop said:
Paul R said:
Sortie 10 said:
Recently took out an S2000 as Honda were offering a free pair of Oakleys to do so!
Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
I agree with quite a bit you say although I have never found the ride bad but I found it better after moving away from Honda's recommended rubber. Also I have never had a rattle from the hood but I have heard that can happen and with regards problems putting it up when in the car alone, I can only assume you have very short arms Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
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tstorm is goin to fall on the s2000 makin it a bargain for petrolheads...it surpises me to see even new ones over 15k...its in the silly high ever risin tax band.. it costs a fortune to insure because the hairdressers keep stackin them and its no quicker than any hot hatch...
tstorm is goin to fall on the s2000 makin it a bargain for petrolheads...it surpises me to see even new ones over 15k...its in the silly high ever risin tax band.. it costs a fortune to insure because the hairdressers keep stackin them and its no quicker than any hot hatch...Sortie 10 said:
Recently took out an S2000 as Honda were offering a free pair of Oakleys to do so!
Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
Gutted!Compared with my 2003 Z4 2.5, my thoughts are:
1) Ride appalling - even compared to my car with sports suspension and 18" runflats
2) Ergonomics - poor, no steering wheel adjustment of any description, no seat height adjustment, storage space poor (even compared with Z4) - important if you are intending to use the car on a daily basis or for long touring holidays. Semi-electric hood on S2000, not good if you are caught solo in a rain storm - Z4 is faster and easier.
3) Lovely tactile gearbox, with great precision
4) Poor build quality (roof rattled massively when down), even on the 3000 mile car I drove.
5) Good power, and more linear than when I last tried one
6) Slightly alarmed to find that the S2000 is in the top car tax bracket, extra £200 per annum at present (more in future)
7) The S2000 may have been a good steer when launched, but standards (and expectations) have moved on. I was pleased to get back in the Z4, which has proved a great drive over many long Euro drives.
8) Interested to see that Bob Gerard (reputable Honda indie) has new S2000s at £20k - £21k, at £28k list an S2000 is irrelevant, but at £21k new it makes interesting competition against 2 year old Z4s. I still think that I would take a straight six BM over the revvy Honda 4.
My Oakleys didn't even arrive, plus the dealer wasn't even expecting me when I turned up for the appointment.
S2000 was great but my Z4 3.0 is better!
Mclovin said:
twitchy is what makes it fun...it bites and i like it for that...
Aye, but I'm afraid at this point in my driving career I felt it was a little too much. Call me a big girls blouse if you so wish, but my insurance premiums and excesses are already horrendous. Bit more experience with something like a Z4, with traction control that softens the blow a little first, that I can turn off fully when I want to.
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