335d/435d or 535d
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ZX10R NIN said:
The Alpina is nicer inside than a 335i/d even compared to the M3 it's a notch above, as I said it's averaging 42mpg the exhaust notes pretty decent to for a diesel.
Now I'm not saying I prefer diesels but they have their place, as someone who has a CLK63 & CLK320cdi both have been Re-mapped K&N Filters Poly Bushes Coilovers Exhausts etc both are good to drive but it's the 63 that put the grin on my face & that's down to the petrol swilling V8 upfront & the bellowing exhaust note coming out of the back.
The difficulty with comparing mpg figures is that it depends entirely on driving style and route. If I drive to a local city, about 35 miles away, the round trip seems to average about 47mpg. The route is pretty flat and there is enough traffic on the single carriageway A roads that there is often little point in overtaking, unless it is a really slow vehicle. My overall average is just below 40mpg though as a lot of my driving is more hilly and fast.Now I'm not saying I prefer diesels but they have their place, as someone who has a CLK63 & CLK320cdi both have been Re-mapped K&N Filters Poly Bushes Coilovers Exhausts etc both are good to drive but it's the 63 that put the grin on my face & that's down to the petrol swilling V8 upfront & the bellowing exhaust note coming out of the back.
I assume that you have upgraded leather in your D3? For me Dakota leather is the biggest let down on the 3, 5 and even 6 or 7 Series. I was surprised that Alpina kept it as standard.
ZX10R NIN said:
Now I'm not saying I prefer diesels but they have their place,
This.When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist'
like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car...... .......which is nice
Edited by breadvan on Sunday 22 February 00:48
breadvan said:
This.
When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist' like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car......
Actually I think this is x35d v alpina D3/4/5 thread.When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist'
like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car...... However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
tjlees said:
breadvan said:
This.
When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist' like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car......
Actually I think this is x35d v alpina D3/4/5 thread.When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist'
like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car...... However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
breadvan said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Now I'm not saying I prefer diesels but they have their place,
This.When did this thread become Diesel V Petrol?
FWIW, even a 'diesel loving, penny pinching motorist'
like me can enjoy the benefits of my weekend car...... .......which is nice
Edited by breadvan on Sunday 22 February 00:48
Gorgeous colour too.
tjlees said:
Actually I think this is x35d v alpina D3/4/5 thread.
However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
I don't think there's an argument between an Alpina and the mainstream BMW equivalent; seems pretty clear that the Alpina is the better car and that that's the way to go if you can afford the extra and are happy to pay it!However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
In terms of diesel v petrol, if the argument is that diesel is lower cost for during the week I'd just question whether the difference is significant enough to matter on a £40k car. As I've said on a previous post, for me the fuel saving is amounting to less than £10/week compared to my old E92 335i which I think is insignificant compared to the depreciation over 3 years. However, the 335d certainly isn't lacking grunt and if you also want 4wd it's a good choice; not as refined as the 335i but if a lot of your driving is on a motorway you won't notice!
JNW1 said:
I don't think there's an argument between an Alpina and the mainstream BMW equivalent; seems pretty clear that the Alpina is the better car and that that's the way to go if you can afford the extra and are happy to pay it!
In terms of diesel v petrol, if the argument is that diesel is lower cost for during the week I'd just question whether the difference is significant enough to matter on a £40k car. As I've said on a previous post, for me the fuel saving is amounting to less than £10/week compared to my old E92 335i which I think is insignificant compared to the depreciation over 3 years. However, the 335d certainly isn't lacking grunt and if you also want 4wd it's a good choice; not as refined as the 335i but if a lot of your driving is on a motorway you won't notice!
Spot on £ difference over a year might be what £400-800 depending on usage irrelevant when depreciation of a new car is a key factor. In terms of diesel v petrol, if the argument is that diesel is lower cost for during the week I'd just question whether the difference is significant enough to matter on a £40k car. As I've said on a previous post, for me the fuel saving is amounting to less than £10/week compared to my old E92 335i which I think is insignificant compared to the depreciation over 3 years. However, the 335d certainly isn't lacking grunt and if you also want 4wd it's a good choice; not as refined as the 335i but if a lot of your driving is on a motorway you won't notice!
It hen does come down to range which mean I can do 2 returns trips to Manchester From Reading without filling up. My RS6 I'd be filling up less than a 1/3 into the first return leg... That makes a vast difference and due to extra stops the diesel is miles quicker door to door. As special - nope but it doesn't try to be either.
Welshbeef said:
Spot on £ difference over a year might be what £400-800 depending on usage irrelevant when depreciation of a new car is a key factor.
It hen does come down to range which mean I can do 2 returns trips to Manchester From Reading without filling up. My RS6 I'd be filling up less than a 1/3 into the first return leg... That makes a vast difference and due to extra stops the diesel is miles quicker door to door. As special - nope but it doesn't try to be either.
What we need is Alpina or Brabus to get hold of the V8 Diesel lumps that BMW & Mercedes make(but only sell abroad or in 4x4's) and get then to drop them in the 5 Series & E Class then we could be onto a winning combo of decent exhaust note & decent fuel economy, well as much economy as you could expect from a 4.0 V8 lolIt hen does come down to range which mean I can do 2 returns trips to Manchester From Reading without filling up. My RS6 I'd be filling up less than a 1/3 into the first return leg... That makes a vast difference and due to extra stops the diesel is miles quicker door to door. As special - nope but it doesn't try to be either.
Welshbeef said:
Spot on £ difference over a year might be what £400-800 depending on usage irrelevant when depreciation of a new car is a key factor.
It hen does come down to range which mean I can do 2 returns trips to Manchester From Reading without filling up. My RS6 I'd be filling up less than a 1/3 into the first return leg... That makes a vast difference and due to extra stops the diesel is miles quicker door to door. As special - nope but it doesn't try to be either.
Totally agree regarding the convenience of having a longer range and it was that (rather than cost saving) that pushed me towards diesel rather than petrol. However, the combination of reduced tank size (57 v 63 litres) and a bigger shortfall against the claimed mpg figure means my F31 335d is only doing about 60 miles more on a tank than my E92 335i; obviously that's better than nothing but I was expecting an improvement of at least 100 miles by going diesel. Different matter with the 5 series as I think they have a 70 litre tank which means a much better range; didn't want a car as big as that though! It hen does come down to range which mean I can do 2 returns trips to Manchester From Reading without filling up. My RS6 I'd be filling up less than a 1/3 into the first return leg... That makes a vast difference and due to extra stops the diesel is miles quicker door to door. As special - nope but it doesn't try to be either.
What I've always found irritating about Alpina is how the fact they base on the SE model - itself a good idea - is taken so literally that usually you even get the non Sport steering wheel and in the case of the newer Alpina's the non-Sports Auto shifter with the crappy plastic gaiter. In a £50k car...
JNW1 said:
Totally agree regarding the convenience of having a longer range and it was that (rather than cost saving) that pushed me towards diesel rather than petrol. However, the combination of reduced tank size (57 v 63 litres) and a bigger shortfall against the claimed mpg figure means my F31 335d is only doing about 60 miles more on a tank than my E92 335i; obviously that's better than nothing but I was expecting an improvement of at least 100 miles by going diesel. Different matter with the 5 series as I think they have a 70 litre tank which means a much better range; didn't want a car as big as that though!
Hasn't the 335i got a smaller tank size too so like for like the range difference is bigger? Take the point 63v57. I'm enjoying the 70ltr
Fox- said:
What I've always found irritating about Alpina is how the fact they base on the SE model - itself a good idea - is taken so literally that usually you even get the non Sport steering wheel and in the case of the newer Alpina's the non-Sports Auto shifter with the crappy plastic gaiter. In a £50k car...
I think you need to see one in the flesh the interior is much better than a 335d's & the M3's, the Quality of the Leather is a big step up the Headlining etc the steering wheel feels better than an 335d's as for the non DCT gearbox that has always been Alpina's way it's supposed to be the more relaxed version & to be honest I've never felt that it needs it. By the Crappy Plastic Gaiter do you mean the same crappy gaiter that's on 50k 335d's? ZX10R NIN said:
By the Crappy Plastic Gaiter do you mean the same crappy gaiter that's on 50k 335d's?
No, I don't. To be fair my interest lies in F10's so perhaps they don't do it in the F30 but in the F10 B5 you get the plastic gearshift gaiter, whereas an F10 550i M Sport will have the Sports Auto Transmission with the leather gaiter. For whatever reason Alpina's own paddle system doesn't come with the better shifter. I know I'm splitting hairs here but I've just never understood why they leave in aspects of base spec 520d for no apparent reason, thats all.B5:
http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.u...
(Standard F10 SE wheel (with a few trinkets) and plastic gaiter with stock shifter)
550i:
http://topismag.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014...
(Chunkier wheel (I know it looks similar, its not though) and better shifter/gaiter)
The more I type this the more I appreciate I am coming across as a moron, because none of this stuff actually matters, but hey ho
Edited by Fox- on Sunday 22 February 11:55
ZX10R NIN said:
I think you need to see one in the flesh the interior is much better than a 335d's & the M3's, the Quality of the Leather is a big step up the Headlining etc the steering wheel feels better than an 335d's as for the non DCT gearbox that has always been Alpina's way it's supposed to be the more relaxed version & to be honest I've never felt that it needs it. By the Crappy Plastic Gaiter do you mean the same crappy gaiter that's on 50k 335d's?
The D3 has exactly the same 'Hippo Hide' Dakota leather that you get with a 335d, plus some stitching. Both cars can have upgraded leather as an option. The M3 does come with upgraded Merino leather.The gaiter on the gear shifter of a 335d is actually not a bad piece of nappa leather, the same as you find on the steering wheel. Is it not the same on a D3?
335d said:
The D3 has exactly the same 'Hippo Hide' Dakota leather that you get with a 335d, plus some stitching. Both cars can have upgraded leather as an option. The M3 does come with upgraded Merino leather.
The gaiter on the gear shifter of a 335d is actually not a bad piece of nappa leather, the same as you find on the steering wheel. Is it not the same on a D3?
Well I must be lucky because it's not the same leather as the 335d I was comparing it to the steering wheel is re-trimmed but yes it is a standard wheel.The gaiter on the gear shifter of a 335d is actually not a bad piece of nappa leather, the same as you find on the steering wheel. Is it not the same on a D3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7yi6Ivgqh4
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 22 February 19:36
JNW1 said:
tjlees said:
Actually I think this is x35d v alpina D3/4/5 thread.
However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
I don't think there's an argument between an Alpina and the mainstream BMW equivalent; seems pretty clear that the Alpina is the better car and that that's the way to go if you can afford the extra and are happy to pay it!However I'm with you ... I drive a diesel so I really can do the v8 thing at the weekend.
In terms of diesel v petrol, if the argument is that diesel is lower cost for during the week I'd just question whether the difference is significant enough to matter on a £40k car. As I've said on a previous post, for me the fuel saving is amounting to less than £10/week compared to my old E92 335i which I think is insignificant compared to the depreciation over 3 years. However, the 335d certainly isn't lacking grunt and if you also want 4wd it's a good choice; not as refined as the 335i but if a lot of your driving is on a motorway you won't notice!
Still getting a good mpg return (well good for a x35d). Going through the bad weather today, the M6 stop/start traffic, the M5/6 giant carpark then the naughty side of 70, I was still the right side of 40mpg with a range 500+ ...
Personally, the F10 5 series is a world apart from the 3 and 4 series in terms of quality of materials, ride, refinement, and road noise. I love the look of the 6 GC, but I have to park regularly, and the 5 is already big enough.
I have no doubt you could throw the 3 around more easily than the 5, but I have the Elise for that. My F10 is for cruising, which it does a sensational job of doing. I love it and so do clients, the right side of nice vs flashy.
I have no doubt you could throw the 3 around more easily than the 5, but I have the Elise for that. My F10 is for cruising, which it does a sensational job of doing. I love it and so do clients, the right side of nice vs flashy.
Here is that D3 0-100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
... about as quick as M3 but better brakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
... about as quick as M3 but better brakes.
tjlees said:
Yes, I don't think you are going to save too many pennies with the x35d nor the Alpina equivalent, and I suspect I should of really gone for the 320d xdrive SE since at the time it was 23% off and around £24k rather than £37k! However, where I doubt I would have enjoyed the 320, I definitely think the 335d with adaptive and 19s is a real hoot and pleasingly growlly under hard acceleration (ASD works well then).
Still getting a good mpg return (well good for a x35d). Going through the bad weather today, the M6 stop/start traffic, the M5/6 giant carpark then the naughty side of 70, I was still the right side of 40mpg with a range 500+ ...
Hmm, I must be doing something wrong then; would be quite happy if my F31 was doing the sort of mpg your car's returning but at the moment I'm struggling to see more than 500 miles from a tank never mind the circa 550 your computer's showing....Still getting a good mpg return (well good for a x35d). Going through the bad weather today, the M6 stop/start traffic, the M5/6 giant carpark then the naughty side of 70, I was still the right side of 40mpg with a range 500+ ...
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