335d/435d or 535d
Discussion
tjlees said:
Here is that D3 0-100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
... about as quick as M3 but better brakes.
It was interesting to see those results, I have to say that the M3 always felt like it was much quicker than the D3 from 0-whatever but the D3 feels like it matches it in overtake situations. As for the brakes the M3's felt like they had more bite but in the short 3 week period when we had both I'd jump in the D3 8-10 times given the choice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRAeL8qgSM
... about as quick as M3 but better brakes.
As I've said before with Alpina only producing 2000 cars a year rarity will always help residuals & with 20% discounts on mainstream BMW's & between 10-14% on M3's seeming to be the norm & fuel starting to creep back up I feel like I bagged a bargain. As a side bar when did an M3/4 get to 74k with options? At that price point I could only be looking at an M5/6.
If we remove Alpina from the conversation and I read the situation correctly the consensus of opinion seems to be that if you want a bit more enjoyment and driving pleasure go for the 335i, over the 335d. The 335i may be slower and less fuel efficient, but makes up for that in driving pleasure. The 35d engine seems particularly suited to the 535d and 640d, where it's effortless torque and more insulated installation seems to suit the character of the cars very well.
Has anyone personal experience of running an X3 with the 35d engine?
Whenever I have had a performance car like an M3 I have always felt a bit short changed if going for another car of the same size, but with less performance, I have therefore usually gone for something completely different hence the X3 suggestion.
On paper at least the X3 35d seems like it should be fun.
Has anyone personal experience of running an X3 with the 35d engine?
Whenever I have had a performance car like an M3 I have always felt a bit short changed if going for another car of the same size, but with less performance, I have therefore usually gone for something completely different hence the X3 suggestion.
On paper at least the X3 35d seems like it should be fun.
I had some fun with a X3 35d when I had my E92 M3 and it certainly didn't hang around and it left me standing to start with and I had to try very very hard to rein it back in and eventually pass it so I have always had some decent respect for them since that happened.
I think they are quite a nice stealth type car and you wouldn't really expect them to go as well as the do, I always liked the higher driving position for the view in my old X5 so I would imagine that's nice too in the X3.
I think they are quite a nice stealth type car and you wouldn't really expect them to go as well as the do, I always liked the higher driving position for the view in my old X5 so I would imagine that's nice too in the X3.
Why's the Alpina being kicked out? Not dressed smart enough, name not on the list?ZX10R NIN said:
It was interesting to see those results, I have to say that the M3 always felt like it was much quicker than the D3 from 0-whatever but the D3 feels like it matches it in overtake situations. As for the brakes the M3's felt like they had more bite but in the short 3 week period when we had both I'd jump in the D3 8-10 times given the choice.
As I've said before with Alpina only producing 2000 cars a year rarity will always help residuals & with 20% discounts on mainstream BMW's & between 10-14% on M3's seeming to be the norm & fuel starting to creep back up I feel like I bagged a bargain. As a side bar when did an M3/4 get to 74k with options? At that price point I could only be looking at an M5/6.
As good as I think the D3 is, it's still a diesel and diesel's still have no character with their gruff horrible noise, and still peaky torque nature with limited redlines (I currently own a 640d). Diesels are almost always heavier too which impacts 'fun' driving.As I've said before with Alpina only producing 2000 cars a year rarity will always help residuals & with 20% discounts on mainstream BMW's & between 10-14% on M3's seeming to be the norm & fuel starting to creep back up I feel like I bagged a bargain. As a side bar when did an M3/4 get to 74k with options? At that price point I could only be looking at an M5/6.
Okay so the M3/4 does sound average and is probably the worst sound M car in the history of M cars, but overall it has to be a better car than the D3.
On the road if you spec a new M3/4 it doesn't really need for any extras as is pretty fully loaded so there is very little price difference too.
I personally would prefer more focus and more performance for my ££££ and you can probably get an M3 on lower monthly's than you can a D3. Choice made simple.
moffat said:
ZX10R NIN said:
It was interesting to see those results, I have to say that the M3 always felt like it was much quicker than the D3 from 0-whatever but the D3 feels like it matches it in overtake situations. As for the brakes the M3's felt like they had more bite but in the short 3 week period when we had both I'd jump in the D3 8-10 times given the choice.
As I've said before with Alpina only producing 2000 cars a year rarity will always help residuals & with 20% discounts on mainstream BMW's & between 10-14% on M3's seeming to be the norm & fuel starting to creep back up I feel like I bagged a bargain. As a side bar when did an M3/4 get to 74k with options? At that price point I could only be looking at an M5/6.
As good as I think the D3 is, it's still a diesel and diesel's still have no character with their gruff horrible noise, and still peaky torque nature with limited redlines (I currently own a 640d). Diesels are almost always heavier too which impacts 'fun' driving.As I've said before with Alpina only producing 2000 cars a year rarity will always help residuals & with 20% discounts on mainstream BMW's & between 10-14% on M3's seeming to be the norm & fuel starting to creep back up I feel like I bagged a bargain. As a side bar when did an M3/4 get to 74k with options? At that price point I could only be looking at an M5/6.
Okay so the M3/4 does sound average and is probably the worst sound M car in the history of M cars, but overall it has to be a better car than the D3.
On the road if you spec a new M3/4 it doesn't really need for any extras as is pretty fully loaded so there is very little price difference too.
I personally would prefer more focus and more performance for my ££££ and you can probably get an M3 on lower monthly's than you can a D3. Choice made simple.
For me the performance of the diesel in fuel economy and outright performance made it an easy choice over the petrol.
moffat said:
As good as I think the D3 is, it's still a diesel and diesel's still have no character with their gruff horrible noise, and still peaky torque nature with limited redlines (I currently own a 640d).
We're kinda going in circles here. Yes, the D3 is a diesel, but my point is it's the best diesel, good enough to justify the cost over the 35d/40d in terms of performance and definitely noise, those Akrapovic boffins know what they're doing or no-one would spend £5k + on their systems and no need for the stereo to help out.
So the decision between the world's best diesel or a rather average M car, the choice was simple.
Look what you've started!!
Great performance, especially mid range overtaking but fast doesn't always equal fun. I think the mistake was sticking to std M Sport suspension, it's waaaaay too firm and offered very little feedback but I guess that's compounded with the SUV set up. Quite surprised how much understeer there was. If you go down that route, make sure you try one over an extended period (specced with VDC).
akeithj said:
Has anyone personal experience of running an X3 with the 35d engine?
Yes, Mrs Breadvan did 35,000 miles in her F25 X3 35d before swapping for a 30d.Great performance, especially mid range overtaking but fast doesn't always equal fun. I think the mistake was sticking to std M Sport suspension, it's waaaaay too firm and offered very little feedback but I guess that's compounded with the SUV set up. Quite surprised how much understeer there was. If you go down that route, make sure you try one over an extended period (specced with VDC).
akeithj said:
It's certainly interesting!!
Can I ask why Mrs Breadvan, decided to go for the 3.0d over the 35d this time around, was it just that the extra performance of the 35d was not significant enough to justify the extra cost?
Speed isn't important to her, so we specced the replacement with 30d to save something like £2.5k.Can I ask why Mrs Breadvan, decided to go for the 3.0d over the 35d this time around, was it just that the extra performance of the 35d was not significant enough to justify the extra cost?
Fine for her, but I was surprised how much difference there was (didn't test drive!) and would whole heartily recommend the 35d.
moffat said:
As good as I think the D3 is, it's still a diesel and diesel's still have no character with their gruff horrible noise, and still peaky torque nature with limited redlines (I currently own a 640d). Diesels are almost always heavier too which impacts 'fun' driving.
Okay so the M3/4 does sound average and is probably the worst sound M car in the history of M cars, but overall it has to be a better car than the D3.
On the road if you spec a new M3/4 it doesn't really need for any extras as is pretty fully loaded so there is very little price difference too.
I personally would prefer more focus and more performance for my ££££ and you can probably get an M3 on lower monthly's than you can a D3. Choice made simple.
Fair play Moffat, if were talking in terms of the best lease deals then I see your point there will always be a better deal on the Mainstream cars rather than the Alpina's due to there rarity but if it had to be petrol I'd still take the B3/4 over the M3/4.Okay so the M3/4 does sound average and is probably the worst sound M car in the history of M cars, but overall it has to be a better car than the D3.
On the road if you spec a new M3/4 it doesn't really need for any extras as is pretty fully loaded so there is very little price difference too.
I personally would prefer more focus and more performance for my ££££ and you can probably get an M3 on lower monthly's than you can a D3. Choice made simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740gShZJF1M
They're rare will hold there money better spec for spec & are a bit of a bargain at(basic Spec) £55,000 the M3 (basic spec but with the DCT) £60,000 so when you say you want more performance for your money I don't see how you can say that the M3 represents this in comparison to the 190mph B3/4, yes I'm sure the M3/4 could match it but you'd have to spend money to do it.
Don't under estimate the benefit of exclusivity when it comes to residuals, there's only 1 B4 vs 82 M4's on sale today
Alpina:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
M4:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
So already the M4 has lost 10k off of it's list price compared to the Alpina's 3k
I buy my cars so didn't look at the lease deals & I wasn't aware the M3 got a better rate.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Monday 23 February 13:31
julian64 said:
By the way, over this whole thread no-ones talked about DPF's in relatively large sized diesel engines.
I would have thought most buy a 35d because they cover big miles so then you have no issues to worry about regards the DPF, if you only cover little mileage I think you would have to be nuts to choose diesel over petrol imo. JNW1 said:
Hmm, I must be doing something wrong then; would be quite happy if my F31 was doing the sort of mpg your car's returning but at the moment I'm struggling to see more than 500 miles from a tank never mind the circa 550 your computer's showing....
The F31 is carrying around an extra 60kg and is less dynamic, and since alot of the fuel used at 75mph goes towards overcoming drag (see http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/09/speed-energ... and many others) it may go towards some of the reason. People with F34s will also struggle because of the drag and extra 115kg over and above an F30.Anyway you have a cool touring car - enjoy! Use the more frequent fuel stops to admire its lines
julian64 said:
By the way, over this whole thread no-ones talked about DPF's in relatively large sized diesel engines.
Does the 335xd not have dpf problems, anyone ever heard about someone needing a new DPF in one of these?
Its not really an issue - personally have had no issues at all they last c150k+++ miles so its a consumable but long life. Does the 335xd not have dpf problems, anyone ever heard about someone needing a new DPF in one of these?
I believe the cheaper brands eg Ford/VW etc do have the issue but Jag/Merc/BMW/Bently/Bristol don't.
julian64 said:
By the way, over this whole thread no-ones talked about DPF's in relatively large sized diesel engines.
Does the 335xd not have dpf problems, anyone ever heard about someone needing a new DPF in one of these?
Its not really an issue - personally have had no issues at all they last c150k+++ miles so its a consumable but long life. Does the 335xd not have dpf problems, anyone ever heard about someone needing a new DPF in one of these?
I believe the cheaper brands eg Ford/VW etc do have the issue but Jag/Merc/BMW/Bently/Bristol don't.
Welshbeef said:
Its not really an issue - personally have had no issues at all they last c150k+++ miles so its a consumable but long life.
I believe the cheaper brands eg Ford/VW etc do have the issue but Jag/Merc/BMW/Bently/Bristol don't.
Tell that to your typical X3 and X5 20d/30d+ mums who use their cars for school runs only...I believe the cheaper brands eg Ford/VW etc do have the issue but Jag/Merc/BMW/Bently/Bristol don't.
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