New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

[Kuroblack350]

Tea Pot One said:

Mine's in for the upgrade on Thursday ... so can I dispense with the Disclok afterwards ... or not ?

Assuming my update goes to plan this Friday, mine will be retired to the garage. The lockable OBD port cover will stay as it's not something that's an utter ball ache to use daily

[kcooperman]

Kuroblack350 said:

Assuming my update goes to plan this Friday, mine will be retired to the garage. The lockable OBD port cover will stay as it's not something that's an utter ball ache to use daily

I would still use the disklok. The thieves will not know that you have had the update so will still attempt to steal it!

It would be more of a ball ache having to replace a window every five mins for attempted thefts. I would also be thinking that if they cant steal it they are not going to be happy so will likely trash your car.

At least with the disklok it might put them off.

[fraz1001]

Just booked my E90 in for the upgrade, Monday morning.

[JNW1]

Mr Bimmer said:

If you go back to page 14 you will see my post regarding the firmware update. No one seemed to believe it at the time.

You won't find any documented proof that its been available though. The main dealers are the last people to find out.

on 18th April 2012 Mr Bimmer said:

Just get your BMWs updated to the latest firmware. This cures the problem with the key hacking issue.

Simple

Edited by Mr Bimmer on Wednesday 28th November 10:55

Apologies, hadn't gone back that far in the thread! However, I do find it strange that BMW was allowing dealers to tell customers there was no fix almost 12 months after a fix was apparently available; how many stolen vehicles would still be with their owners if BMW had been more pro-active in rolling-out this fix a year ago?

[sinizter]

JNW1 said:

How many stolen vehicles would still be with their owners if BMW had been more pro-active in rolling-out this fix a year ago?

The number would be about 10-15% higher than the number of cars they sold to the owners who may have chosen replace the stolen BMWs with another one, taking into account a few who may have defected.

[fraz1001]

So they will upgrade the software to stop blank keys being coded without the original key being present and upgrade the alarm system too? Is this correct?

[DpchMd]

fraz1001 said:

So they will upgrade the software to stop blank keys being coded without the original key being present and upgrade the alarm system too? Is this correct?

No, only Mr Bimmer believes that's the case, but he's yet to provide any evidence.

The dealers say the update stops the windows from rolling down when you put your key in, so I think we should assume that's it until it's confirmed otherwise by an official source.

[va1o]

DpchMd said:

The dealers say the update stops the windows from rolling down when you put your key in, so I think we should assume that's it until it's confirmed otherwise by an official source.

That's just fking stupid though and does nothing to fix the actual fault. We know they can (and will, and have) gain access by just smashing a window and exploiting the alarm blackspot, before going onto programme the key via the OBD. I'd be inclined to agree with what Mr Bimmer is saying.

[eybic]

va1o said:

That's just fking stupid though and does nothing to fix the actual fault. We know they can (and will, and have) gain access by just smashing a window and exploiting the alarm blackspot, before going onto programme the key via the OBD. I'd be inclined to agree with what Mr Bimmer is saying.

Surely smashing the window will set the alarm off regardless of any alarm blackspot?

[DpchMd]

va1o said:

That's just fking stupid though and does nothing to fix the actual fault. We know they can (and will, and have) gain access by just smashing a window and exploiting the alarm blackspot, before going onto programme the key via the OBD. I'd be inclined to agree with what Mr Bimmer is saying.

You're inclined to believe a random forum poster over the official update bulletin, just because you can't believe BMW would be so stupid? Wow.

[pingu393]

Just a thought. When the windows are lowered, does the alarm know this and reduce its sensitivity or even switch off the internal sensor?

[groucho]

Somebody should make some stickers to go in the window.

[Kuroblack350]

DpchMd said:

fraz1001 said:

So they will upgrade the software to stop blank keys being coded without the original key being present and upgrade the alarm system too? Is this correct?

No, only Mr Bimmer believes that's the case, but he's yet to provide any evidence.

The dealers say the update stops the windows from rolling down when you put your key in, so I think we should assume that's it until it's confirmed otherwise by an official source.

Curious, but what kind of 'evidence' would you like to see exactly?

[va1o]

eybic said:

Surely smashing the window will set the alarm off regardless of any alarm blackspot?

Well I don't know but some of the earlier posts seemed to suggest that was how they were getting in.

DpchMd said:

You're inclined to believe a random forum poster over the official update bulletin, just because you can't believe BMW would be so stupid? Wow.

Yep as in fairness some of his earlier posts have turned out to be true, but we've now reached the point that there is vast mis-information on this topic and even BMW UK themselves don't seem to know what is going on (remember they are merely the importer). As I've said previously only Germany have the actual answers, but unfortunately a lot of the time things do seem to get 'lost in translation' in my experience.

[DpchMd]

Kuroblack350 said:

Curious, but what kind of 'evidence' would you like to see exactly?

Errr...is that a serious question?

[va1o]

DpchMd said:

Errr...is that a serious question?

[Mr Bimmer]

DpchMd said:

You're inclined to believe a random forum poster over the official update bulletin, just because you can't believe BMW would be so stupid? Wow.

Hmm. 21 posts and 5 Months for your membership. Who's the random poster?

Anyway enough of that.

If you wan't to believe what your dealer tells you then that's all good.

If people had taken note of my post back in April, there would have been fewer BMWs stolen. Fact

Instead of criticising my efforts, would you mind posting something useful instead of just recommending that we listen to our local dealer.

If Sept 2011 cars already have the updated CAS programming from build date, how do you explain that they have only just developed a solution?

Various versions of the CAS files have been released since late 2011, all with slight changes to security data. The current file will soon be updated again (It's about 4 Months old now). It's what happens with firmware.

[t8cmf]

The image below is an invoice for somebody that had a new CAS file uploaded into their ECU. A member of another forum who programs his own BMW's stated that the CAS file 9287535 is the file with the OBD disabling fix integrated into it. The invoice shows this file replacing his previous file. I have no idea if this is true but take from it what you will.

[Kuroblack350]

t8cmf said:

...interesting stuff

I wonder if that's something we'll all come away with, attached to the invoice perhaps?

Good post BTW

Edited by Kuroblack350 on Thursday 29th November 12:54

Edited by Kuroblack350 on Thursday 29th November 12:55

[Kuroblack350]

DpchMd said:

Kuroblack350 said:

Curious, but what kind of 'evidence' would you like to see exactly?

Errr...is that a serious question?

Certainly was.

va1o said:

but we've now reached the point that there is vast mis-information on this topic

Exactly. That and the incessant "is my Exx affected by this, sorry couldn't be arsed reading the whole thread, just thought I'd clutter it up some more"

Mr Bimmer said:

lots of useful stuff

Please keep posting, it's adding to the debate, which is a lot more than most.

Mr Bimmer said:

If Sept 2011 cars already have the updated CAS programming from build date, how do you explain that they have only just developed a solution?

Various versions of the CAS files have been released since late 2011, all with slight changes to security data. The current file will soon be updated again (It's about 4 Months old now). It's what happens with firmware.

Interestingly, just tried the key holding thing on my Sept 2011 E92. It unlocked the door obviously but holding the key in position to the right DID NOT drop the windows. (alarm also sounded when I then opened the door, wow - how loud is that!?)

Obviously I have no way of testing the OBD port aspect, but it's booked in Friday for presumably an update which amends this functionality too.

Edited by Kuroblack350 on Thursday 29th November 13:24