Why shouldn't I buy an F10 535d?
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Welshbeef said:
Wills2 said:
Fuel costs for the 335d circa 16p per mile the M5 costs circa 24p, so over a year the difference is about a couple of grand.
How on earth is your 335d 41% more than my 535d F10 Pre LCI?I'm putting in standard supermarket diesel as in years of usage and personal trails I've found no difference at all in the "premium" diesel fuel apart from it costing more.
Do you buy fuel in motorway service stations?
t up to justify my purchase. HTH
Jobbo said:
I've been managing 16p/mile in my 535i - 32mpg at 112.9p/litre. Your 11.3p/mile sounds optimistic to me; that's 48mpg at 117.9p/litre.
Mpg wise I'm getting 42-46mpg per tank - I fill up at the Tesco Reading fuel stations (which actually is something I overlooked the "up to 20p per ltr discount.." Which does flex month by month. Generally I'd say getting min 6p off per ltr per fill. 
abarber said:
Not really a good comparison. The 535d will depreciate to zero, unlike good examples of used M models, many of which (though not all by any means), will continue to be in demand from enthusiasts.
Unless you are doing 20k+ miles, you could well be better off with a thirsty V8 alternative that holds it value better. Particularly if the man maths is strong with you
Sadly, I am doing 20k plus per annum, otherwise I'd still be driving my V8. Any thoughts on leasing cars? I've always bought outright, never had finance, but leasing appears to be a relatively easy way of procuring a new car. Clearly my mileage situation will boost the cost. Anybody do it routinely? Unless you are doing 20k+ miles, you could well be better off with a thirsty V8 alternative that holds it value better. Particularly if the man maths is strong with you
Welshbeef said:
Mpg wise I'm getting 42-46mpg per tank - I fill up at the Tesco Reading fuel stations (which actually is something I overlooked the "up to 20p per ltr discount.." Which does flex month by month. Generally I'd say getting min 6p off per ltr per fill.
MPG is so subjective an down to personal use. What are you averaging overall for your ownership? I know I could only average 40mpg in a late 120d Auto, half urban, so probably closer to 35mpg in a 535d for me. The demo F10 LCI 535d had been averaging 28mpg, obviously driven pretty hard. Tbh I found it quite dull and disappointing, each to their own. Also 31mpg in a 330i manual, 20mpg in a C63, 27mpg in a Z4M. Each over their ownership with me.
Regarding leasing, at 20k miles a year I would probably drive a Golf R leased if you can get close to some of the earlier deals offered. They were just too cheap to ignore for everyday transport.
abarber said:
MPG is so subjective an down to personal use. What are you averaging overall for your ownership?
Mine is 34.7mpg.By contrast my 530i, used for the same usage profile, averaged 27.1mpg lifetime.
IMHO these cars are simply not that efficient, but they are very swift and refined. I don't mind the economy but it certainly doesn't do 50mpg everywhere like some people claim to get.
Well, just test driven the 520 then the 535. Predictable comparison. Performance in 535 is too linear to feel fast - but it is a swift car for the size of it. Engine and gearbox both seem very refined. I'm not getting hung up on economy figures as I sense it won't break any records, but it seems to fit my requirements perfectly, so the search begins.........
What I like about my 2011 535d is that on my commute I do 13 miles of twisty A Road, often in the small hours, and I can hoon it at tremendous speed and in Sport mode everything it's terrific - mpg 25. Then I hit the motorway for 60 miles with everything in comfort and cruise set at 78mph and it's terrific - mpg 44. Then I drive through a major city centre nearing rush hour in heavy traffic and it's terrific - mpg, don't know.
Overall I'm getting a smidge under 40mpg, like 39.8 or 39.3 every month. Mainly because I choose to spend some mpg on the hooning miles. What would vex me is sitting on the M way cruise section getting 30mpg and not being able to do anything about it.
My other car is a Rangerover L322 TDV8. I know a lot about buying diesel. Shell Fuelsave has the highest cetane value and returns the promised 4% mpg improvement. BP Ultimate does help clean my sticky number one injector in my Rangerover.
The 535d is tremendous at being almost a super car, almost a sensible car, almost a luxury car all at the same time.
Overall I'm getting a smidge under 40mpg, like 39.8 or 39.3 every month. Mainly because I choose to spend some mpg on the hooning miles. What would vex me is sitting on the M way cruise section getting 30mpg and not being able to do anything about it.
My other car is a Rangerover L322 TDV8. I know a lot about buying diesel. Shell Fuelsave has the highest cetane value and returns the promised 4% mpg improvement. BP Ultimate does help clean my sticky number one injector in my Rangerover.
The 535d is tremendous at being almost a super car, almost a sensible car, almost a luxury car all at the same time.
abarber said:
MPG is so subjective and down to personal use.
Absolutely right! The only way you really know what economy a car is going to give you is by driving it for a while in your own typical traffic conditions and the only way you know how that compares to something else is if you've also driven that something else over a reasonable mileage in the same conditions. It's always interesting to hear the experiences of others but IMO any of their claimed mpg figures shouldn't be taken at face value because you don't really know how that person drives or the traffic conditions in which they drive. Having just clocked 12k miles in my F31 335d I'd say anyone getting mid-40's from either one of those or a 535d must be doing a fair proportion of motorway or dual carriageway driving at around 70mph; don't see that you'll get that sort of fuel consumption if you're also making frequent use of the performance available for a significant proportion of your total mileage but that's just my view based on personal experience!Edited by JNW1 on Saturday 6th June 14:10
converted lurker said:
What I like about my 2011 535d is that on my commute I do 13 miles of twisty A Road, often in the small hours, and I can hoon it at tremendous speed and in Sport mode everything it's terrific - mpg 25. Then I hit the motorway for 60 miles with everything in comfort and cruise set at 78mph and it's terrific - mpg 44. Then I drive through a major city centre nearing rush hour in heavy traffic and it's terrific - mpg, don't know.
Overall I'm getting a smidge under 40mpg, like 39.8 or 39.3 every month. Mainly because I choose to spend some mpg on the hooning miles. What would vex me is sitting on the M way cruise section getting 30mpg and not being able to do anything about it.
My other car is a Rangerover L322 TDV8. I know a lot about buying diesel. Shell Fuelsave has the highest cetane value and returns the promised 4% mpg improvement. BP Ultimate does help clean my sticky number one injector in my Rangerover.
The 535d is tremendous at being almost a super car, almost a sensible car, almost a luxury car all at the same time.
I have a new 2015 535D touring and seem to have a similar outlook to driving as you! But I don't get close to 40mpg. I've clocked up 5k miles since I got it in April and am lucky to get 35mpg; this is worse than the previous gen car I had over similar conditions/commute etc. Out of curiosity, do you have the 19 inch wheels; I think these can have a quite a big impact on MPG.Overall I'm getting a smidge under 40mpg, like 39.8 or 39.3 every month. Mainly because I choose to spend some mpg on the hooning miles. What would vex me is sitting on the M way cruise section getting 30mpg and not being able to do anything about it.
My other car is a Rangerover L322 TDV8. I know a lot about buying diesel. Shell Fuelsave has the highest cetane value and returns the promised 4% mpg improvement. BP Ultimate does help clean my sticky number one injector in my Rangerover.
The 535d is tremendous at being almost a super car, almost a sensible car, almost a luxury car all at the same time.
Ta , Duck
Edited by DuckDuck on Sunday 7th June 17:43
DuckDuck said:
I have a new 2015 535D touring and seem to have a similar outlook to driving as you! But I don't get close to 40mpg. I've clocked up 5k miles since I got it in April and am lucky to get 35mpg; this is worse than the previous gen car I had over similar conditions/commute etc. Out of curiosity, do you have the 19 inch wheels; I think these can have a quite a big impact on MPG.
Ta , Duck
Duck, is the new engine any different to, say, a 2011?Ta , Duck
Edited by DuckDuck on Sunday 7th June 17:43
It became EU6 compliant at some point, and that could be relevant to a buyer with an apparent tightening of emissions rules for some urban areas.
Not sure what the current situation is, but there was a long term plan to ban diesel cars from London that were EU5 and below (article is 15 months old) http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/london-...
Not sure what the current situation is, but there was a long term plan to ban diesel cars from London that were EU5 and below (article is 15 months old) http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/london-...
smashy said:
To be fair ,the engine was an iron one at 282bhp and was totally changed to an aluminium one which gives out 309 BHP.
That was why the aluminium 3 ltre at 258bhp could out gun the iron 282bhp twin turbo ,the new 309bhp aluminium twin turbo moved the game on again
282 BHP was aluminium (e60/e61. it was the older one again that was Iron 272bhp (pre LCI) . The f10 received 299bhp and the latest euro 5 and 6, 309 bhp versions. That was why the aluminium 3 ltre at 258bhp could out gun the iron 282bhp twin turbo ,the new 309bhp aluminium twin turbo moved the game on again
Edited by DuckDuck on Monday 8th June 18:59
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