Potentially bad news for commuters in London
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Ho hum.. more charges.
Ho hum.. more charges.
Edited by Wildfire on Thursday 27th November 13:36
Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.
Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
IMHO it is rather NIMBY. Older bikes aren't necessarily clunkers, and anyway the major environmental impact of most private vehicles is in manufacturing and scrapping. My issue with this is it's a charter against older vehicles, which (on the private/motorcycle side rather than heavy goods) *may* improve the air quality in a tiny area *very* slightly, at the expense of increasing the overall environmental impact.
y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Trolling I assume?Why should it be free?
Maybe the tax on fuel, tax to use the bike in the first place (VED) and the tax when the bike being bought isn't enough?
Not to mention bikes do not cause congestion, generally don't sit in jams at idle all day.
Few reasons to be begin with.
ajcj said:
Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.
Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
Right then well then now thenCounting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
I have you know I have a FIFTEEN year old sv650s
now then now then
and I have you know it only takes a little bit of swearing to get it started on a cold day (but fires up wonderfully on a warm day)
I've never rebuilt the carbs (although it could benefit from it I suspect at 73,000 miles) but I have replaced choke cables and had the plungers cleaned
it is quite fuel efficient
but it's carbed, it lobs away fuel on the overrun, the hydrocarbon emissions are a joke compared to modern fuel injekshun. It does clunk but thats the fairings not quite on properly after it got repaired (hahahaa) after a car u-turned. The engine is alright actualy, and chassis-wise its safe and does the job. Chain is in good nick and the brakes even work.
Ok, joking about aside, bikes are becoming a more popular mode of transport in cities. There becomes a point when the bikes themselves do start causing congestion, but only for themselves (can you always get to the head of a queue at traffic lights?). no doubt this debat will run and run but I can see the arguments for and against the issue. Bikes do reduce congestion, but at the same time create a different kind of congestion.
Edited by thatdude on Thursday 27th November 14:37
thatdude said:
ajcj said:
Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.
Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
Right then well then now thenCounting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
I have you know I have a FIFTEEN year old sv650s
now then now then
and I have you know it only takes a little bit of swearing to get it started on a cold day (but fires up wonderfully on a warm day)
I've never rebuilt the carbs (although it could benefit from it I suspect at 73,000 miles) but I have replaced choke cables and had the plungers cleaned
it is quite fuel efficient
but it's carbed, it lobs away fuel on the overrun, the hydrocarbon emissions are a joke compared to modern fuel injekshun. It does clunk but thats the fairings not quite on properly after it got repaired (hahahaa) after a car u-turned. The engine is alright actualy, and chassis-wise its safe and does the job. Chain is in good nick and the brakes even work.
Ok, joking about aside, bikes are becoming a more popular mode of transport in cities. There becomes a point when the bikes themselves do start causing congestion, but only for themselves (can you always get to the head of a queue at traffic lights?). no doubt this debat will run and run but I can see the arguments for and against the issue. Bikes do reduce congestion, but at the same time create a different kind of congestion.
Edited by thatdude on Thursday 27th November 14:37
The C90s got over 100mpg. If you work in the City, look at how many C90s and older bikes are still used. There are an awful lot of bikes over 13 years old used by despatchers and commuters, especially on the scooter side.
Although the impact of this happening is in fact tiny, it's the thin end of the wedge. Don't forget the LEZ and infrastructure is in place already for commercial vehicles within the M25. One switch flicked and they are collecting money from all vehicles and banning vehicle types as they do with the commercials now.
This is just a blatant money collection exercise, as always, as no-one will face up to us needing small government and massive cuts in the public sector rather than more and more taxes.
Perhaps air quality would be a bit better in London if it wasn't trying to house a great percentage of the extra 228,000 immigrants we've had this year alone? Try booking a Drs appointment or going to an A&E dept to see the effect first hand.
A bit of a joke and clearly a money spinner, now that motorbikes/scooters have recently increased in popularity.
I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.
People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.
I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.
People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.
_Deano said:
A bit of a joke and clearly a money spinner, now that motorbikes/scooters have recently increased in popularity.
I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.
People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.
More instances of grubby plates I fear.I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.
People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.
I thought communism died out in the late 80s but TfL seem determined to keep it going.
"I know, let's just make it so fking expensive to run a private vehicle, the People will be left with no choice but to use our stty public transport"
Now I've left their employment I can say I've never worked for such a narrow minded, blinkered organisation who appear determined to force their solutions on the masses by making the less politically appealing alternatives inaccessible to the man on the street. If I went to work on the Triumph, I got told off like a school child if I didn't park it in a marked bike bay (all of which were suspiciously out in the open) whilst those who cycled to work got the run of a football pitch sized basement in which to lay up their Cannondales in the dry for the day.
Utter wkers.
"I know, let's just make it so fking expensive to run a private vehicle, the People will be left with no choice but to use our stty public transport"
Now I've left their employment I can say I've never worked for such a narrow minded, blinkered organisation who appear determined to force their solutions on the masses by making the less politically appealing alternatives inaccessible to the man on the street. If I went to work on the Triumph, I got told off like a school child if I didn't park it in a marked bike bay (all of which were suspiciously out in the open) whilst those who cycled to work got the run of a football pitch sized basement in which to lay up their Cannondales in the dry for the day.
Utter wkers.
y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Because it should be free for all traffic. Why should it be free?
That argument is lost but it's fecking ridiculous that my 07 Blackbird gets in there for free under the new regime but every FI model that proceeded it has to pay.
bks money making scheme for s is what it is.
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