Speeding tickets
Discussion
Just recently passed my test and was wondering if you can be done on a bike with laser/radar from the front by a copper as you don't have a front number plate to identify you? Not that I'd advocate speeding but I have just found out that when overtaking someone it is so easy to be quite a bit over the limit!
Just recently passed my test and was wondering if you can be done on a bike with laser/radar from the front by a copper as you don't have a front number plate to identify you? Not that I'd advocate speeding but I have just found out that when overtaking someone it is so easy to be quite a bit over the limit!
Yes you can. The lazer/muniquip equipment is hand held, and once your speed is recorded they have the option to either stop you at the time and formally report you, or record your details as you go past and send you out an NIP within 14 days.
in law - I believe - its allowed to exceed the speed limit during overtaking, in order to remove yourself from the position of danger as safetly and quickly as possible, assuming you slow down again after - no problem
of course if your looking well enough ahead, you will see the copper in advance....
of course if your looking well enough ahead, you will see the copper in advance....
s2ooz said: in law - I believe - its allowed to exceed the speed limit during overtaking, in order to remove yourself from the position of danger as safetly and quickly as possible, assuming you slow down again after - no problem
The IAM rules were Never break speed limit (it was this example that I totally disagreed with the instructor, I agree with you its far safer to speed past then slow down). AFAIK you can be done for breaking the speed limit even on overtaking.
my bike trainer stamped it on my forhead, "get out of the danger area"
this includes junctions, roundabouts, slowing down...
anything where your risk of injury is increased.
so if I get stopped for speeding on an overtake, I will go all the way to court. Im not going at 60 past a guy doing 58, spending several minutes on the wrong side of the road.
this includes junctions, roundabouts, slowing down...
anything where your risk of injury is increased.
so if I get stopped for speeding on an overtake, I will go all the way to court. Im not going at 60 past a guy doing 58, spending several minutes on the wrong side of the road.
Gentlemen; forgive this intrusion from a 4 wheeled heathen but I wondered if you could shed some light on a matter of complete insignificance but interest nevertheless.
Why the hell am I seeing so many bikers flying around with what appear to be tiny, woollen devil horns flopping about their heads?
Whatsitallabout?
Why the hell am I seeing so many bikers flying around with what appear to be tiny, woollen devil horns flopping about their heads?
Whatsitallabout?
Derestrictor said: Gentlemen; forgive this intrusion from a 4 wheeled heathen but I wondered if you could shed some light on a matter of complete insignificance but interest nevertheless.
Why the hell am I seeing so many bikers flying around with what appear to be tiny, woollen devil horns flopping about their heads?
Whatsitallabout?
Simon,
See here: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=14505&f=74&h=0
Matt.
s2ooz
Surely you're not serious that if you were in a 60 limit and the numpty in front was doing 58 (and you wanted to make progress at the speed limit thereafter), you would be prompted to overtake?
I take your general point and I agree that the option of driving out of and through a hazard, rather than slowing behind it until it has passed, is certainly a judgement to be made. This, however does not mean that speed limits are temporarily suspended, pending our own personal judgement of the appropriateness of the use of speed.
Remember if it were to be legal for us, it would be legal for numpties as well, and we all know that they aren't perfect drivers like us........are they?
Surely you're not serious that if you were in a 60 limit and the numpty in front was doing 58 (and you wanted to make progress at the speed limit thereafter), you would be prompted to overtake?
I take your general point and I agree that the option of driving out of and through a hazard, rather than slowing behind it until it has passed, is certainly a judgement to be made. This, however does not mean that speed limits are temporarily suspended, pending our own personal judgement of the appropriateness of the use of speed.
Remember if it were to be legal for us, it would be legal for numpties as well, and we all know that they aren't perfect drivers like us........are they?
plotloss said:
Derestrictor said: Gentlemen; forgive this intrusion from a 4 wheeled heathen but I wondered if you could shed some light on a matter of complete insignificance but interest nevertheless.
Why the hell am I seeing so many bikers flying around with what appear to be tiny, woollen devil horns flopping about their heads?
Whatsitallabout?
Simon,
See here: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=14505&f=74&h=0
Matt.
Cheers Boss;
The furry dice of the bike world, then. Shocker.
DavidP said: s2ooz
Surely you're not serious that if you were in a 60 limit and the numpty in front was doing 58 (and you wanted to make progress at the speed limit thereafter), you would be prompted to overtake?
I take your general point and I agree that the option of driving out of and through a hazard, rather than slowing behind it until it has passed, is certainly a judgement to be made. This, however does not mean that speed limits are temporarily suspended, pending our own personal judgement of the appropriateness of the use of speed.
Remember if it were to be legal for us, it would be legal for numpties as well, and we all know that they aren't perfect drivers like us........are they?
no, it was a generalism, but I will maintain that if a speed limit is broken in order to move back to the safety area; I will.
which reminds me how often drivers will speed up the limit when I trundle passed, thus forcing me to "whip it open" to get well clear of them.
I cant lie, its not correct to speed but when biking I stick to the method of, "if its safe to do so..." too many limits set by doo gooders rather than actual hazards in road conditions.
>> Edited by s2ooz on Wednesday 30th October 16:50
s2ooz said: in law - I believe - its allowed to exceed the speed limit during overtaking, in order to remove yourself from the position of danger as safetly and quickly as possible, assuming you slow down again after - no problem
of course if your looking well enough ahead, you will see the copper in advance....
You believe wrong.
Your instructor was wrong.
If you exceed the limit in any area that is subject to restricted limits or even the NSL you commit an offence.
Should you be caught at the time you do so, avoiding danger, then you may have mittigating circumstances to put before a magistrate.
The only exemption on speed limits is if you are using your vehicle as an ambulance. That means transporting someone for emergency medical treatment at a hospital or medical practice (Not driving someone who has a headache to get home to bed quicker).
Or in the unusual circumstances where you are using the vehicle for Police purposes.
my bike trainer stamped it on my forhead, "get out of the danger area"
this includes junctions, roundabouts, slowing down...
Quite right too from a sensible point of view but sense don't enter into it any more.
Haven't you heard.....Speed kills!
so if I get stopped for speeding on an overtake, I will go all the way to court.
I did and I am (although not out of choice
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The IAM rules were Never break speed limit (it was this example that I totally disagreed with the instructor, I agree with you its far safer to speed past then slow down). AFAIK you can be done for breaking the speed limit even on overtaking.
That's what I was taught when I did my IAM Exam ....
and what they said when they took my certificate off me when i got done for speeding !
I was uynder the impression you MUSTR NOT exceed the speed limit at anytime. if you have to exceed the speed limit to overtake, you should not overtake ... unless the person in front is driving dangerously, in which case you should slow down ?
jvaughan said:
The IAM rules were Never break speed limit (it was this example that I totally disagreed with the instructor, I agree with you its far safer to speed past then slow down). AFAIK you can be done for breaking the speed limit even on overtaking.
That's what I was taught when I did my IAM Exam ....
and what they said when they took my certificate off me when i got done for speeding !
I was uynder the impression you MUSTR NOT exceed the speed limit at anytime. if you have to exceed the speed limit to overtake, you should not overtake ... unless the person in front is driving dangerously, in which case you should slow down ?
I'm doing the IAM at the moment and the instructor has said it is ok to break the limit to get past someone travelling under the limit if you slow down to the limit afterwards.
I must admit the whole speed limit and IAM thing is pi**ing me off. Another thing is filtering. I thought it was ok to filter in slow moving traffic so long as the speed difference isnt excessive but my instructor says it is illegal to filter unless the traffic is stationary.
edited to add 'getting back off topic'
>> Edited by gsxrblue on Thursday 31st October 11:25
Madcop, Does the becoming an ambulance exemption thing apply it you're over the drink limit as well? Not that I intend to test it, it's just that when I'm sat at home on a Friday night babysitting while the wife is on a girlie night out I would normally have a few beer or glasses of wine when my daughter is in bed. Recently my daughter was a bit sick and I thought - what happens if I need to take her to hospital ? I'm over the limit !
It hopefully will never happen, but where would I stand if such an emergency was to arise ?
I suppose I would just have to wait for a real ambulance if it was something serious..
Sorry to get off topic again.
It hopefully will never happen, but where would I stand if such an emergency was to arise ?
I suppose I would just have to wait for a real ambulance if it was something serious..
Sorry to get off topic again.
madcop: [ OT/you a biker 'n all then? ]
in reality, would you say getting out of the danger area is more important than worrying about being over the NSL? I would have thought it was. yes you can nick me, but Q2: would you?
my lifes more important than 3 points.
but as many biker here would probably agree, whens the last time any of us went for a sunday morning blast at < 60?
in reality, would you say getting out of the danger area is more important than worrying about being over the NSL? I would have thought it was. yes you can nick me, but Q2: would you?
my lifes more important than 3 points.
but as many biker here would probably agree, whens the last time any of us went for a sunday morning blast at < 60?
sparkey said: Madcop, Does the becoming an ambulance exemption thing apply it you're over the drink limit as well? Not that I intend to test it, it's just that when I'm sat at home on a Friday night babysitting while the wife is on a girlie night out I would normally have a few beer or glasses of wine when my daughter is in bed. Recently my daughter was a bit sick and I thought - what happens if I need to take her to hospital ? I'm over the limit !
It hopefully will never happen, but where would I stand if such an emergency was to arise ?
I suppose I would just have to wait for a real ambulance if it was something serious..
Sorry to get off topic again.
No exemption at all for any drink drive. The only one that may succeed is if you could prove that your drinks had been spiked and you had no idea.
If you have a crisis and you have had a few, you would best not drive at all, especially when acting as an ambulance with the added stress of an injured family member. The best thing to do in that case is to dial 999 and wait. If that is not feesible, then get a neighbour to do the driving who is alcohol free. Even consider dialing 999 again and ask for Plice asistance.
The main part of the definition of a Police Officer is
'A citizen, locally appointed but having authority under the crown for the protection of life and property, the maintenance of order and the prosecution of offenders against the peace.'
It is not unheard of when there are no ambulances available as is sometimes the case for Police vehicles to convey serious cases to hospital. I have done so, including a guy that had slashed his wrists (the proper way and taped them open) and been lying for over 2 hours in an area of woodland. Made a mess of the car but saved his life as the nearest ambulance was over 20 minutes away when I found the guy.
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