The "official" Knockhill track day thread 2014
Discussion
Johnny50 said:
MTB i'll not be back at work on the 1st and will probably fire over.
So if you want your wets taken over let me know and i'll chuck em in my car along with anything else you need for the day (fuel etc)
J
couldn't have you do that its a trek to Falkirk then there from where you staySo if you want your wets taken over let me know and i'll chuck em in my car along with anything else you need for the day (fuel etc)
J
HOW5ER said:
Track night on the 26th......Is it really fast?? Im a Novice as i've only been once on Knockhill a month ago but itching to get get back on and the sire says only confident inters and fast???
don't bother. the problem with these open sessions they do is there is too much of a gulf. Some are lapping 1m20s others 53 seconds, it just doesn't work.
v60marko said:
moanthebairns said:
HOW5ER said:
Track night on the 26th......Is it really fast?? Im a Novice as i've only been once on Knockhill a month ago but itching to get get back on and the sire says only confident inters and fast???
don't bother. the problem with these open sessions they do is there is too much of a gulf. Some are lapping 1m20s others 53 seconds, it just doesn't work.
Johnny50 said:
moanthebairns said:
couldn't have you do that its a trek to Falkirk then there from where you stay
It's only an extra 20 miles onto my journey....You can let me know
v60marko said:
HOW5ER said:
v60marko said:
By the way MTB, remember you need a 16a socket for your tyre warmers, if you get them for the 7th
I too dodnt know this, So I need to get a 16a socket cross over to 13a plug right?
v60marko said:
moanthebairns said:
v60marko said:
HOW5ER said:
v60marko said:
By the way MTB, remember you need a 16a socket for your tyre warmers, if you get them for the 7th
I too dodnt know this, So I need to get a 16a socket cross over to 13a plug right?http://www.knockhill.com/wordpress/2011/03/weve-go...
George29 said:
Just found out the race I was supposed to be doing on the 7th has been cancelled. Was going to book the track day at Knockhill but it's fully booked 
Yup, I've still not heard anything about getting moved up a group so must be heaving.there is one next Monday but I doubt that's any good for yourself.
if you go, i'll go
George29 said:
moanthebairns said:
Yup, I've still not heard anything about getting moved up a group so must be heaving.
there is one next Monday but I doubt that's any good for yourself.
if you go, i'll go
Don't want to do it in reverse. I have emailed them asking if I can be put on a reserve list. Not fussed what group I go in.there is one next Monday but I doubt that's any good for yourself.
if you go, i'll go
gwm said:
Weird I just tried to book 7th as well.
Next possible one will be the morning on the 13th for me.
after the 7th I'm done with Knockhill, sure you get nice days but I did a track day last September, it pissed it down all night, it was 9 degrees and dark before the session finished. Next possible one will be the morning on the 13th for me.
gwm said:
moanthebairns said:
after the 7th I'm done with Knockhill, sure you get nice days but I did a track day last September, it pissed it down all night, it was 9 degrees and dark before the session finished.
Yep I agree with the sentiment, but where are you gonna go without the costs and time to do it substantially increasing?George29 said:
moanthebairns said:
How much does it cost when you crash due to conditions?
You can't blame the conditions for crashing! Only the riders lack of ability to adapt to them.v60marko said:
It's not a hard braking zone, but unlike the hairpin / duffus I am leant over and cornering whilst braking. It could be a number of things but because the ride height is the only change from last time out, I'm going to put it down to that. Dropping forks a little through yokes should solve it and the unwanted faster turn in 
? you leant over whilst braking? where are you applying the braking?I assumed trail braking but you'd be doing that at the hairpin at least.
v60marko said:
moanthebairns said:
v60marko said:
It's not a hard braking zone, but unlike the hairpin / duffus I am leant over and cornering whilst braking. It could be a number of things but because the ride height is the only change from last time out, I'm going to put it down to that. Dropping forks a little through yokes should solve it and the unwanted faster turn in
? you leant over whilst braking? where are you applying the braking?I assumed trail braking but you'd be doing that at the hairpin at least.
I suspect this is what is happening if you aren't already rev matching. That would describe the back snaking certainly.
Entry into duffus dip is around 65-80 at an inters pace give or take, as you turn into Scotsman, which is a bugger to loose speed on, your doing 65-70 ish on turn in, no idea what it is at fast pace... You don't change gear during duffus, your doing far too much to the bike, turning, sitting it up, throttle on, braking in such a short space to add a gear change is too much, certainly at inters level. No idea why you are changing gear there as the Scotsman is almost the same speed as entry into duffus.
you a) go down to second like I do for duffus then up to 3rd as your leaving Scotsman or b) sit in 3rd all the way through it. Depends how your bike is geared also but typically you are only using 2 gears around knockhill.
Down the straight I'm in 4th, hitting 130 mph give or take,
see the bridge,
count one, then braking and blipping, down two,
I'm in second into and through duffus,
third after Scotsman,
third through the chicane, entry decent throttle, almost closed as I steal both kerbs, or try to, (almost closed, why? I was told I was being far too greedy with the throttle there and sure to bin it, I suspect the same happened to leighz)
third into clarks,
then 4th onto hizzys the back straight,
down to second for the hairpin, close throttle until the apex, only real corner I get almost to the apex trail braking on as to s
te to do it elsewhere, the back up to fourth on the straight.
of course your bike with be different to mines, but it gives you an idea of the gear change places.
I talked and worked on this with Niall Mckenzie and he agreed with most, only exception being that he suggested leaving it in third into duffus, it was too far out the rev range and felt s
t so that's why I use second. This might be of help, it might not, you might be much faster than me.
v60marko said:
Your bike must have well different gearing from mine. I'm well into 5th by the end of the straight, 3rd into and through duffus, 2nd for scotsmans (3rd drags the bike wide and it's sluggish out of the corner), back into 3rd after scotsmans and through chicane. This problem is nowt to do with how or when I change gear as it wasn't happening the last 2 times. I'm pretty confident a small geometry change will settle her again. Oh and that first track day was my first ride in 8 months and with race pattern gears, I also had problems with the clutch lever, which is why I was absolutely pants at changing gear
From what I heard there was no attempt to blip but if you’re doing it I must be mistaken.If you think that suits your bike changing gear there then I can’t argue, but I was told from several instructors not to do any gear changes in that section you do it all before duffus.
You want to be almost bouncing off the limiter as you start braking into Scotsman I was told.
Same with the cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAYSZeZUq-w
Your pace might be much quicker than mines though so maybe the same rules don’t apply.
v60marko said:
Who knows man... Everyone is different with different bikes / gearing so I guess there is no right or wrong. I did try using 3rd from Duffus all the way out through the chicane, but 3rd was very low revs through Scotsmans, pulled the bike wide and was sluggish on exit, so for me the change to 2nd is the only choice. Second would be way too low a gear for entering Duffus (on my bike).
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