2019 BMW S1000RR
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Someone on here (I know who it was) said BVG was s
t slow on a bike.
He posted a vid a week or so ago where he did a lap of Jerez 9 seconds behind Marquez' fastest race lap this year. Not bad considering he isnt a motorcycle racer and wasnt on factory motogp machinery.t slow on a bike.Kneedragger95 said:
He posted a vid a week or so ago where he did a lap of Jerez 9 seconds behind Marquez' fastest race lap this year. Not bad considering he isnt a motorcycle racer and wasnt on factory motogp machinery.
Is that the one that’s just been posted above? He was on a £70k Carbon hyperbike that is probably as close to current MotoGP tech as you’re likely to get. It’s certainly more special than any full factory World Superbike that was on the grid this year. He did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
Edited by graylag on Friday 9th November 18:20
yonex said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Someone on here (I know who it was) said BVG was st slow on a bike.
He looked ok here, but there's always someone faster t slow on a bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCu-mSToBCI
graylag said:
Is that the one that’s just been posted above? He was on a £70k Carbon hyperbike that is probably as close to current MotoGP tech as you’re likely to get. It’s certainly more special than any full factory World Superbike that was on the grid this year.
He did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
Most days abroad are now transponder times, so thats the same as club racersHe did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
graylag said:
Do they share the times now? I know not all TDOs do.
I just used that video as it was the one posted and described as a fast lap, which it was for a trackday without doubt.
They tell you if you ask at the end of each day well No Limits and Red LIne do.I just used that video as it was the one posted and described as a fast lap, which it was for a trackday without doubt.
I never ask, Toots usually wants to know what times everyone is doing but as I'm not a racer I don't give a phuck.
Watched the vid on my computer this time and BVG has a transponder fitted to the Left side fork. So if hes said hes done a time he must have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCu-mSToBCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCu-mSToBCI
Biker's Nemesis said:
graylag said:
Is that the one that’s just been posted above? He was on a £70k Carbon hyperbike that is probably as close to current MotoGP tech as you’re likely to get. It’s certainly more special than any full factory World Superbike that was on the grid this year.
He did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
Most days abroad are now transponder times, so thats the same as club racersHe did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
He’s a decent enough rider though, but fagen is a fair bit faster
Biker's Nemesis said:
Watched the vid on my computer this time and BVG has a transponder fitted to the Left side fork. So if hes said hes done a time he must have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCu-mSToBCI
I’ve no agenda, just used what was available to check times. If he’s done a 1’46 then that’s seriously impressive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCu-mSToBCI
Those HP4 races are seriously impressive though.
I've got a mate with one (He's actually got 3!), and he's a decent rider. The HP4 race took 4 seconds off an already impressive silverstone lap time on his current bike, which is basically a WSBK spec ZX10R, and that was on a windy and not overall warm day
They're a cracking bike, and if I had a load more money than I do, I'd have one for trackdays without hesitation over pretty much every bike on sale (Maybe other than that limited run of 20 R1's Yamaha have just released)
I've got a mate with one (He's actually got 3!), and he's a decent rider. The HP4 race took 4 seconds off an already impressive silverstone lap time on his current bike, which is basically a WSBK spec ZX10R, and that was on a windy and not overall warm day
They're a cracking bike, and if I had a load more money than I do, I'd have one for trackdays without hesitation over pretty much every bike on sale (Maybe other than that limited run of 20 R1's Yamaha have just released)
I recently tried the new S1000RR to answer a few questions that I had, which were:
What does 200bhp feel like on a sub 200kg bike.
What does it feel like to ride without all the electronic help, given that you can customise what electronics you want or don't want (this is what drew me to the bike in the first instance).
Is it still fun.
Initially, I found the Road setting of electronics incredibly limiting of my enjoyment of the thing.
The engine was a bit Jekyll and Hyde. It felt over-geared, so second was rabid and third wasn't really enough.
The noise was a bit contrived. It does the same exhaust woofle that the M140i etc do when you lift off at high revs.
Being able to customise the settings was a great help. Turning off wheelie control completely allowed it to respond normally and meant you had to consider throttle inputs at high revs at almost any road speed, which I found far more involving. Turning off rear ABS and rear lift also meant I had to think about controlling those things when braking too, which again felt like I was riding it, rather than me being an unnecessary part of the action.
Traction control though, I was mighty impressed. It cut in lots of times when I didn't necessarily think it would (getting on the throttle hard and suddenly in a straight line) and a few times when provoked mid-corner. You can't lean on it all the time, things still get squirrely, but it stops things getting out of hand.
When I got back on my R1, it didn't feel slow, the pegs felt lower and it was way more comfortable for my 6ft3 frame. It also had a way more characterful soundtrack and the throttle response felt far, far more linear than the BMW. The R1 brakes are terrible compared to the BMW and it's far less keen to turn in, which may partly be down to the PR5 tyres on it, but it was more analogue next to the digital BMW. I think I'm getting old...or maybe I need to try the Ducati V4.
What does 200bhp feel like on a sub 200kg bike.
What does it feel like to ride without all the electronic help, given that you can customise what electronics you want or don't want (this is what drew me to the bike in the first instance).
Is it still fun.
Initially, I found the Road setting of electronics incredibly limiting of my enjoyment of the thing.
The engine was a bit Jekyll and Hyde. It felt over-geared, so second was rabid and third wasn't really enough.
The noise was a bit contrived. It does the same exhaust woofle that the M140i etc do when you lift off at high revs.
Being able to customise the settings was a great help. Turning off wheelie control completely allowed it to respond normally and meant you had to consider throttle inputs at high revs at almost any road speed, which I found far more involving. Turning off rear ABS and rear lift also meant I had to think about controlling those things when braking too, which again felt like I was riding it, rather than me being an unnecessary part of the action.
Traction control though, I was mighty impressed. It cut in lots of times when I didn't necessarily think it would (getting on the throttle hard and suddenly in a straight line) and a few times when provoked mid-corner. You can't lean on it all the time, things still get squirrely, but it stops things getting out of hand.
When I got back on my R1, it didn't feel slow, the pegs felt lower and it was way more comfortable for my 6ft3 frame. It also had a way more characterful soundtrack and the throttle response felt far, far more linear than the BMW. The R1 brakes are terrible compared to the BMW and it's far less keen to turn in, which may partly be down to the PR5 tyres on it, but it was more analogue next to the digital BMW. I think I'm getting old...or maybe I need to try the Ducati V4.
This reads like you’re either some sort of riding god or lunatic on the road. I’ve ridden every generation of the old bike both on road and racetrack and never experienced the issues you’re describing. The new version is a step up on all counts.
Can you really turn wheelie control off fully? I’ve had a race calibration kit fitted to my race bike (for silly money) and it’s really only possible to do it using that system.
Can you really turn wheelie control off fully? I’ve had a race calibration kit fitted to my race bike (for silly money) and it’s really only possible to do it using that system.
I like a bike (and cars for that matter) to do what they will and the user be the thing who controls it. Quite often, electronics can feel annoying when they cut in. I'm a bit old school in this.
The BMW has linked brakes, so you get 20% rear application when applying the front. Turning that off stops the thing squatting so much when on the brakes. It's just a preference. Also, for every 10 people that enjoy acceleration, there are maybe only 2 or 3 that enjoy the feel of braking hard. I am one of those people and every so often I enjoy braking hard enough for the rear to lift a little. I don't back it in everywhere, but it's nice to know that this is an option.
The new S1000RR is insanely fast and actually all the electronics help to keep you from crashing through using the power that's available, which is all phenomenal stuff, but I didn't gel with it.
As for wheelie control, according to the "Race Pro" wheelie setting, it was off. It was quite rabid with it off though and was something you had to consider all the time at high revs.
The BMW has linked brakes, so you get 20% rear application when applying the front. Turning that off stops the thing squatting so much when on the brakes. It's just a preference. Also, for every 10 people that enjoy acceleration, there are maybe only 2 or 3 that enjoy the feel of braking hard. I am one of those people and every so often I enjoy braking hard enough for the rear to lift a little. I don't back it in everywhere, but it's nice to know that this is an option.
The new S1000RR is insanely fast and actually all the electronics help to keep you from crashing through using the power that's available, which is all phenomenal stuff, but I didn't gel with it.
As for wheelie control, according to the "Race Pro" wheelie setting, it was off. It was quite rabid with it off though and was something you had to consider all the time at high revs.
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