CBTand buying a Desmo
Discussion
Congrats OP on a lovely purchase. Someone above said about switching the tyres for something more suited for your current ability. I would definitely concur.
Think of it as walking on an icy path. With a pair of bowling shoes it is going to be difficult to walk, and you are on edge of slipping the whole time. With the correct shoes on is not going to stop you slipping, but will give you the confidence to stop thinking it will happen!
Think of it as walking on an icy path. With a pair of bowling shoes it is going to be difficult to walk, and you are on edge of slipping the whole time. With the correct shoes on is not going to stop you slipping, but will give you the confidence to stop thinking it will happen!
George29 said:
It doesn't matter to me one bit, but when the time comes when a mistake is made (and there will be), the Panigale will get you into trouble a hell of a lot quicker than a 600.
As I said previously, just strikes me as more money than sense.
Why so harsh?As I said previously, just strikes me as more money than sense.
Some people might suggest that spunking a ton of money on a Padgetts Supersport CBR600 for your first attempt at racing is a waste of money, but you're enjoying it so I can't see it's much different
LoonR1 said:
This bike you've just bought is probably lighter, faster and more powerful than a Desmo. 
I would bet it's road manners are considerably softer and tamer though. You could compare it to the difference in riding a CBR600RR and an Aprilia RS250 on the road. The CBR comfortably outguns the Aprilia in most ways. But I bet the CBR is an easier thing to ride.LoonR1 said:
duggan said:
I do now concur that getting a Desmo as a first bike would have been a steep learning curve & even a step too far - best I learn for a few months first 
This bike you've just bought is probably lighter, faster and more powerful than a Desmo. Biker's Nemesis said:
bass gt3 said:
"The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time."
Well said Steve.I'm having that.
glad to hear you enjoying it Duggan, you wont *need* a Desmo now but if you have the cash it might make a nice ornament for the hallway
.....BTW I know where you've been too, heres some of the leftovers I have from my last car incident...the extra bits in my feet, ankles and arms are staying in too...
I still ride every week, its the only thing that keeps me sane these days
Edited by bogie on Sunday 9th March 19:55
duggan said:
"The report of my death was an exaggeration" Mark Twain
So I've done about 150 miles on the bike this weekend, from London traffic to fast A roads and guess what? I'm still here
Interesting to read all of the comments and I genuinely didn't think getting a Desmo, or even a Panigale Tricolore for that matter, as a first bike would stoke up such a debate - it's great that everyone has an opinion & is willing to offer advice. I do now concur that getting a Desmo as a first bike would have been a steep learning curve & even a step too far - best I learn for a few months first
I really do appreciate the advice - bike experience I may not have, but I do have two things that most of you don't have. Firstly, I know what it's like when it goes wrong - and we're not talking "that was a close one" - the real-deal. That experience alone will ensure I'm not spinning the wheel up in 6th on any public road. Secondly, I know what it's like to think you're taking your last breath and the thoughts of "I wish I'd done this/wish I'd done that", so for me, it's all now about following your dreams - here's a few pics from today:
PS - one of the posters was spot on - Mrs. Duggan is indeed very fit.
As said before, that is absolutely stunning.So I've done about 150 miles on the bike this weekend, from London traffic to fast A roads and guess what? I'm still here
Interesting to read all of the comments and I genuinely didn't think getting a Desmo, or even a Panigale Tricolore for that matter, as a first bike would stoke up such a debate - it's great that everyone has an opinion & is willing to offer advice. I do now concur that getting a Desmo as a first bike would have been a steep learning curve & even a step too far - best I learn for a few months first
I really do appreciate the advice - bike experience I may not have, but I do have two things that most of you don't have. Firstly, I know what it's like when it goes wrong - and we're not talking "that was a close one" - the real-deal. That experience alone will ensure I'm not spinning the wheel up in 6th on any public road. Secondly, I know what it's like to think you're taking your last breath and the thoughts of "I wish I'd done this/wish I'd done that", so for me, it's all now about following your dreams - here's a few pics from today:
PS - one of the posters was spot on - Mrs. Duggan is indeed very fit.
Good on you and I wish you all the best with it.
Baryonyx said:
LoonR1 said:
This bike you've just bought is probably lighter, faster and more powerful than a Desmo.
I would bet it's road manners are considerably softer and tamer though. You could compare it to the difference in riding a CBR600RR and an Aprilia RS250 on the road. The CBR comfortably outguns the Aprilia in most ways. But I bet the CBR is an easier thing to ride.When's your date for your cbt by the way?
Edited by twizellb on Monday 10th March 05:07
Well done Duggan, beautiful bike!
I too passed my test recently, I was hell bent on getting a R1! However, every swinging dick on the congo told me not to and get something more tame, so l bought a MY 10 CBR 600rr. Now within 4 months of buying I am looking and hankering for a litre bike. So Aprilia RSV 4 or Panigale it is going to be but with the headache of trying to sell the CBR for a decent price without losing too much or trade it in and be shafted. Now l know they are a lot of bike, but a few advanced bike courses and a little patience and all will be fine excluding the looneys you come across on the road.
My philosophy is the bike goes as fast as you tell it to. lf you cant control that you have no business being on one, be it a fizzy or a Hyabusa.
Enjoy the bike pal and stay safe!!
I too passed my test recently, I was hell bent on getting a R1! However, every swinging dick on the congo told me not to and get something more tame, so l bought a MY 10 CBR 600rr. Now within 4 months of buying I am looking and hankering for a litre bike. So Aprilia RSV 4 or Panigale it is going to be but with the headache of trying to sell the CBR for a decent price without losing too much or trade it in and be shafted. Now l know they are a lot of bike, but a few advanced bike courses and a little patience and all will be fine excluding the looneys you come across on the road.
My philosophy is the bike goes as fast as you tell it to. lf you cant control that you have no business being on one, be it a fizzy or a Hyabusa.
Enjoy the bike pal and stay safe!!
bogie said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
bass gt3 said:
"The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time."
Well said Steve.I'm having that.
glad to hear you enjoying it Duggan, you wont *need* a Desmo now but if you have the cash it might make a nice ornament for the hallway
.....BTW I know where you've been too, heres some of the leftovers I have from my last car incident...the extra bits in my feet, ankles and arms are staying in too...
I still ride every week, its the only thing that keeps me sane these days
Edited by bogie on Sunday 9th March 19:55
Sofever said:
so l bought a MY 10 CBR 600rr. Now within 4 months of buying I am looking and hankering for a litre bike. So Aprilia RSV 4 or Panigale it is going to be
CBR too slow after you've been riding for 4 months?I've heard that Panigale aren't too pleasant to ride about at normal speeds. Not ridden one myself though.
Older Fireblade would
Be my choice, I reckon.
MC Bodge said:
CBR too slow after you've been riding for 4 months?
I've heard that Panigale aren't too pleasant to ride about at normal speeds. Not ridden one myself though.
Older Fireblade would
Be my choice, I reckon.
No it is not too slow, its a bloody good bike, l just should of got the bike I wanted. Not ridden a litre bike yet so got some testing to do. But I imagine the mid range to be a lot stronger. It is my belief I will enjoy that style of power more than having to go above 9k rpm to experience the grunt I like for the style of my riding.I've heard that Panigale aren't too pleasant to ride about at normal speeds. Not ridden one myself though.
Older Fireblade would
Be my choice, I reckon.
Hi Sean,
Serious question: in what way is the 600RR not fast enough? Unless you've done motorcross before getting your road bike licence, it's hard to fathom how a 600RR wouldn't be quick enough after only riding for about 4 months. What about the 600RRR is slow?
If you passed your test recently, then it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your skills.
Serious question: in what way is the 600RR not fast enough? Unless you've done motorcross before getting your road bike licence, it's hard to fathom how a 600RR wouldn't be quick enough after only riding for about 4 months. What about the 600RRR is slow?Sofever said:
I too passed my test recently, I was hell bent on getting a R1! However, every swinging dick on the congo told me not to and get something more tame, so l bought a MY 10 CBR 600rr. Now within 4 months of buying I am looking and hankering for a litre bike. So Aprilia RSV 4 or Panigale it is going to be but with the headache of trying to sell the CBR for a decent price without losing too much or trade it in and be shafted. Now l know they are a lot of bike, but a few advanced bike courses and a little patience and all will be fine excluding the looneys you come across on the road.
It may be that a day with someone like Rapid Training would make your 600RR faster. E.g. having one of the Rapid instructors cast an expert eye over your cornering, overtaking skills, whether you're timing the revs at peak power optimally and so on. I had done the odd race school and track days before going to Rapid Training. Yet I still learnt tons from Rapid. Brilliant fun too If you passed your test recently, then it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your skills.Edited by SVS on Sunday 9th March 20:33
Sofever said:
No it is not too slow, its a bloody good bike, l just should of got the bike I wanted. Not ridden a litre bike yet so got some testing to do.
Why not ride one first before deciding whether or not to get one then?Sofever said:
But I imagine the mid range to be a lot stronger. It is my belief I will enjoy that style of power more than having to go above 9k rpm to experience the grunt I like for the style of my riding.
It will be stronger everywhere, but it's debatable whether that's better(or necessary) or not. Granted, modern sports 600s can be quite peaky, which is not really that useful for a road bike.What is the style of your riding?
I rode a Fireblade on some decent roads a few months after passing my test and I'll admit that I realised that the performance available was way beyond what I could use at the time. I'm sure I would find it more manageable now, being much more experienced, but I still couldn't sensibly make much use of the performance.
In my experience of riding (alone and with others, on much more potent machines), on interesting roads, power or mid-range grunt are not the limiting factors at all.
Sofever said:
MC Bodge said:
CBR too slow after you've been riding for 4 months?
I've heard that Panigale aren't too pleasant to ride about at normal speeds. Not ridden one myself though.
Older Fireblade would
Be my choice, I reckon.
No it is not too slow, its a bloody good bike, l just should of got the bike I wanted. Not ridden a litre bike yet so got some testing to do. But I imagine the mid range to be a lot stronger. It is my belief I will enjoy that style of power more than having to go above 9k rpm to experience the grunt I like for the style of my riding.I've heard that Panigale aren't too pleasant to ride about at normal speeds. Not ridden one myself though.
Older Fireblade would
Be my choice, I reckon.
Either a V-twin or better timing in how to use the revs. Being in the right part of the rev range on bend entry, for example, means he'll be just nicely coming into the power band on bend exit. Alternatively, it could be gear choice (or timing of gear change), throttle control or other things that are holding him back. I found these things are hard to spot for yourself, which is where an expert instructor comes in ...
A V-twin might be the answer, but I'd strongly recommend investing a day with someone like Rapid first, before changing bike. Because is might be simply down to riding skills (e.g. 'timing of revs', gear choice or throttle control). If he's missing a trick in his riding skills, then a day's course would be a great investment for the rest of his riding career. (As it was for me.)
A V-twin might be the answer, but I'd strongly recommend investing a day with someone like Rapid first, before changing bike. Because is might be simply down to riding skills (e.g. 'timing of revs', gear choice or throttle control). If he's missing a trick in his riding skills, then a day's course would be a great investment for the rest of his riding career. (As it was for me.)
Edited by SVS on Sunday 9th March 20:44
[quote=SVS]
It may be that a day or two with someone like Rapid Training would make your 600RR faster. E.g. having one of the Rapid instructors cast an expert eye over your cornering, overtaking skills, whether you're timing the revs at peak power optimally, and so on. I had done the odd race school and track days before going to Rapid Training. Yet I still learnt tons from Rapid. Brilliant fun too If you've been riding for 4 months, it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your s
I did not say in either of my posts the bike is not fast enough, what does fast enough mean? what I tried to explain was that I would prefer to have got the bike I originally wanted and I am sure it would of been fine and possibly not had the headache of selling and losing money to get the bike I wanted. If indeed I end up doing that.
Incidentally I sent an email to "Rapid training" the other day. I am positive they can make me a better rider and help me progress. Thanks for the heads up though.
There has been some good feedback to Duggans purchase and some negative too, I just wanted to explain the flip side of doing things the perceived correct way according to some people thoughts on here. All allowed our own opinion though.
Duggan what is the Panigale like to ride around town by the way. Would be interesting to hear what you think?
I should of tried a litre bike first I agree, hey ho you live and learn eh.
It may be that a day or two with someone like Rapid Training would make your 600RR faster. E.g. having one of the Rapid instructors cast an expert eye over your cornering, overtaking skills, whether you're timing the revs at peak power optimally, and so on. I had done the odd race school and track days before going to Rapid Training. Yet I still learnt tons from Rapid. Brilliant fun too
If you've been riding for 4 months, it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your sI did not say in either of my posts the bike is not fast enough, what does fast enough mean? what I tried to explain was that I would prefer to have got the bike I originally wanted and I am sure it would of been fine and possibly not had the headache of selling and losing money to get the bike I wanted. If indeed I end up doing that.
Incidentally I sent an email to "Rapid training" the other day. I am positive they can make me a better rider and help me progress. Thanks for the heads up though.
There has been some good feedback to Duggans purchase and some negative too, I just wanted to explain the flip side of doing things the perceived correct way according to some people thoughts on here. All allowed our own opinion though.
Duggan what is the Panigale like to ride around town by the way. Would be interesting to hear what you think?
I should of tried a litre bike first I agree, hey ho you live and learn eh.
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