Jorge Lorenzo..
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Higgs boson said:
Turn7 said:
No where else to go, other than home now.
Augusto Fernandez has takent he VDS M2 seat.....
Some seem to think that Petrux could be shafted (sent to Anintia) to make way for Zarco in the factory outfit.Augusto Fernandez has takent he VDS M2 seat.....
Btw, I think that Abraham was treated very poorly in this whole episode.
Edited to add ... I see that Zarco isn't at the test tomorrow for Avintia. It's their MotoE guy.
If Petrux was going backwards, it would only have been for Jack to come forward, but I think Duc have decide to wait another year. Jack is coming along nicely, and the lack of pressure in the current teams seems to suit him. Petrux will be fortunate to stay in GP I think at the end of next year.
Way to mnay fast kids around these days.
Abraham - TBH, if it wasnt for Daddies cash, would his results earn him a seat ? Not really....
Turn7 said:
Abraham - TBH, if it wasnt for Daddies cash, would his results earn him a seat ? Not really....
Agreed.
Although he did have his moments.
But that wasn't my point ... to be fired via a text message when you've just tested, AND have a year's contract still to run - shabby treatment.
Higgs boson said:
Turn7 said:
Abraham - TBH, if it wasnt for Daddies cash, would his results earn him a seat ? Not really....
Agreed.
Although he did have his moments.
But that wasn't my point ... to be fired via a text message when you've just tested, AND have a year's contract still to run - shabby treatment.
I see Zarco is endearing himself with Avintia already!
https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/johan...
He’s going to be moaning all season about foot peg position as his size 19 boots will be touching down all the time, because he has become a proper clown!
https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/johan...
He’s going to be moaning all season about foot peg position as his size 19 boots will be touching down all the time, because he has become a proper clown!
egor110 said:
If the gamble pays off for Zarco/Ducati everything will be forgotten.
Its a strange situation really.The Duc is OBVS a different bike to ride, but fast, so many think they can tame it but dont.
I think if both 99 and Duc had a little more patience, it could have worked out well.
Zarco is getting a lot of help from Carmelo as apart from Fabio, french riders are thin on the ground, so Dorna cannot up the price to leMans,
Im not sure the Zarco story is ever going to end wiht the results thta all parties hope for.
Turn7 said:
egor110 said:
If the gamble pays off for Zarco/Ducati everything will be forgotten.
Its a strange situation really.The Duc is OBVS a different bike to ride, but fast, so many think they can tame it but dont.
I think if both 99 and Duc had a little more patience, it could have worked out well.
Zarco is getting a lot of help from Carmelo as apart from Fabio, french riders are thin on the ground, so Dorna cannot up the price to leMans,
Im not sure the Zarco story is ever going to end wiht the results thta all parties hope for.
I'm convinced Zarco is better off on the Duke than the Honda too.
"I do not belong in this team"
"I am not part of this team"
"I am too good for this team"
"Anyway, the team has no skills and is useless"
Zarco does not mince words, does he!
That's clear-cut animosity, disrespect and condescension towards Avintia team.
This guy does not seem to have any manners, sounds like a total loser.
If you were part of Avintia team would you want to have anything to do with such a person?
But Ducati calls the shots, I wonder if Dall'Igna will be able to bend the team into submission.
If I were Zarco I would think twice drinking those liquids/electrolytes during races, who knows who spit or pissed into them...
"I am not part of this team"
"I am too good for this team"
"Anyway, the team has no skills and is useless"
Zarco does not mince words, does he!
That's clear-cut animosity, disrespect and condescension towards Avintia team.
This guy does not seem to have any manners, sounds like a total loser.
If you were part of Avintia team would you want to have anything to do with such a person?
But Ducati calls the shots, I wonder if Dall'Igna will be able to bend the team into submission.
If I were Zarco I would think twice drinking those liquids/electrolytes during races, who knows who spit or pissed into them...
Ho Lee Kau said:
"I do not belong in this team"
"I am not part of this team"
"I am too good for this team"
"Anyway, the team has no skills and is useless"
Zarco does not mince words, does he!
That's clear-cut animosity, disrespect and condescension towards Avintia team.
This guy does not seem to have any manners, sounds like a total loser.
If you were part of Avintia team would you want to have anything to do with such a person?
But Ducati calls the shots, I wonder if Dall'Igna will be able to bend the team into submission.
If I were Zarco I would think twice drinking those liquids/electrolytes during races, who knows who spit or pissed into them...
The moment he gets a decent result for avintia all will be forgiven ."I am not part of this team"
"I am too good for this team"
"Anyway, the team has no skills and is useless"
Zarco does not mince words, does he!
That's clear-cut animosity, disrespect and condescension towards Avintia team.
This guy does not seem to have any manners, sounds like a total loser.
If you were part of Avintia team would you want to have anything to do with such a person?
But Ducati calls the shots, I wonder if Dall'Igna will be able to bend the team into submission.
If I were Zarco I would think twice drinking those liquids/electrolytes during races, who knows who spit or pissed into them...
egor110 said:
If the gamble pays off for Zarco/Ducati everything will be forgotten.
How can it though? The Ducati in 2019 was ok, but IMO not as competitive 2018 was vs the others in 2018.Of course 2020 machines from competitors may be poor, and they will have some data for the 2019 bike at the first few rounds, so he may do ok initially, as he did at tech 3 on the yam?
I can see him being top 10, top 6 on occasions through the year, but right up the sharp end and podiums...…..i'm not convinced.
poo at Paul's said:
egor110 said:
If the gamble pays off for Zarco/Ducati everything will be forgotten.
How can it though? The Ducati in 2019 was ok, but IMO not as competitive 2018 was vs the others in 2018.Of course 2020 machines from competitors may be poor, and they will have some data for the 2019 bike at the first few rounds, so he may do ok initially, as he did at tech 3 on the yam?
I can see him being top 10, top 6 on occasions through the year, but right up the sharp end and podiums...…..i'm not convinced.
I guess he's got to use Dovi's data as his benchmark: if he can replicate or exceed Dovi's performances (in terms of times) then he should be happy with the team; I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if he can manage consistent top 10's on that bike though, especially in the second half of the season.
hiccy18 said:
I guess he's got to use Dovi's data as his benchmark: if he can replicate or exceed Dovi's performances (in terms of times) then he should be happy with the team; I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if he can manage consistent top 10's on that bike though, especially in the second half of the season.
yes, but new tyres next year too. Zarco has always had the data available and it flatters in the first rounds, as he has always been on year old machinery, until KTM, and look what happened there! So he will have an advantage, but can he ever really jump to another factory team, on a new bike, no data, and perform....…..and or keep his trap shut if it doesn't go to plan?
BTW, what bike is Rabat getting for 2020? A 2019 ducati? I suspect Zarco wont like a teammate on same machinery, in case he is quicker!
Bottom line is he has got a lot more factory support and people into the Avintia team. Without that they would continue to struggle, now Zarco and Rabat could be up with the Pramac team. With KTM realising aluminium beam frame trumps trellis it's not looking good for Aprilia next year.
Japanese factories have had years to refine their aluminium frames. Ducati have had one for a few years but they're still learning. For KTM to change could mean putting them back further for a long time.
Zarco is lucky. Still think it'll be tough for him. Can't see him on the factory team for '21 either. Miller is probably a good shout for one. Dovi isn't going backwards so would probably re-sign for another couple of years unless they can nab vinales or MM.
Zarco is lucky. Still think it'll be tough for him. Can't see him on the factory team for '21 either. Miller is probably a good shout for one. Dovi isn't going backwards so would probably re-sign for another couple of years unless they can nab vinales or MM.
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