Road legal bikes banned from certain roads due to noise

[Tardigrade]

Kawasicki said:

Austrian region Tyrol have decided to ban non-modified motorbikes that have static (as in not being driven) noise level above 95 db from certain popular routes.

How many non-modified bikes actually exceed 95db though? Article below suggests that 80db has been the factory limit for over 20yrs (Euro 3 standards).

http://www.fema-online.eu/website/index.php/2018/0...

To be honest I don't have a problem with discouraging very loud bikes in beautiful countryside. It does not help our interests or reputation when other people are offended by unnecessary noise.

[Kawasicki]

Tardigrade said:

Kawasicki said:

Austrian region Tyrol have decided to ban non-modified motorbikes that have static (as in not being driven) noise level above 95 db from certain popular routes.

How many non-modified bikes actually exceed 95db though? Article below suggests that 80db has been the factory limit for over 20yrs (Euro 3 standards).

http://www.fema-online.eu/website/index.php/2018/0...

To be honest I don't have a problem with discouraging very loud bikes in beautiful countryside. It does not help our interests or reputation when other people are offended by unnecessary noise.

There are two separate noise requirements. Static and driving.
The static noise level must not exceed 95 db in this case.
I think about 1 in 15 unmodified bikes exceed that.

[PushedDover]

so a pretty nonfking issue then.... after all 9 bd pages !

[Kawasicki]

PushedDover said:

so a pretty nonfking issue then.... after all 9 bd pages !

Calm down dear.

[SpeckledJim]

The test is a bit silly. Static volume is pretty irrelevant.

What's important is how much noise it makes on a full-bore wind-on from 30 to 100+ mph, which is what does peoples heads in.

That might be difficult to test, but that's how bikes are annoying people, and prompting them to mobilise against biking as a whole.

[Kawasicki]

SpeckledJim said:

The test is a bit silly. Static volume is pretty irrelevant.

What's important is how much noise it makes on a full-bore wind-on from 30 to 100+ mph, which is what does peoples heads in.

That might be difficult to test, but that's how bikes are annoying people, and prompting them to mobilise against biking as a whole.

Yup

[AceOfHearts]

Kawasicki said:

the tribester said:

I thought that the current type approval noise limit for cars was 80db.
So how is a vehicle making the 95db the OP mentions, 'legal'??

Bikes are limited to 80 db when in motion, and 95 db when sat still, idling.

If the Austrian noise test is 95db at idle, that should be no problem for 99% of bikes I would of thought. Noise testing at certain tracks can be as low as 98db at 2/3 of maximum revs so idle should be significantly less!.

I think open pipe cruisers and superbikes with Austin Racing exhausts would likely be the only ones affected

[CABC]

can we also address the noisy, dirty de-exhausted 50cc mopeds too.

on a broad note, we mostly just need strong enforcement of current laws, not knee-jerk specific ones.
maybe bikes need an additional noise test for mot?

[Kawasicki]

AceOfHearts said:

Kawasicki said:

the tribester said:

I thought that the current type approval noise limit for cars was 80db.
So how is a vehicle making the 95db the OP mentions, 'legal'??

Bikes are limited to 80 db when in motion, and 95 db when sat still, idling.

If the Austrian noise test is 95db at idle, that should be no problem for 99% of bikes I would of thought. Noise testing at certain tracks can be as low as 98db at 2/3 of maximum revs so idle should be significantly less!.

I think open pipe cruisers and superbikes with Austin Racing exhausts would likely be the only ones affected

This is not a ban based on a noise test carried out at the side of the road. The ban is based on the certified static noise test result. Many standard bikes are banned, including some of the police bikes used in this area of Austria.

[Pothole]

DDg said:

Just a quickie - I've a Remus downpipe but with the standard baffled akra end can and it's a little noisier than oem. Any way of making it quieter (other than finding a standard downpipe)? I'm wondering if you can get bigger baffles or put another baffle between downpipe and can (there's a short 4" connecting pipe between the two.

Earplugs

[moto_traxport]

Pothole said:

Earplugs

For the rider or everyone sat in their back garden?

[Pothole]

moto_traxport said:

Pothole said:

Earplugs

For the rider or everyone sat in their back garden?

Yes

[PushedDover]

Kawasicki said:

This is not a ban based on a noise test carried out at the side of the road. The ban is based on the certified static noise test result. Many standard bikes are banned, including some of the police bikes used in this area of Austria.

which is it ?

Kawasicki said:

There are two separate noise requirements. Static and driving.
The static noise level must not exceed 95 db in this case.
I think about 1 in 15 unmodified bikes exceed that.

[xjay1337]

Travs said:

SpeckledJim said:

I live on a rural road that leads from a part of England where lots of people live, to a part of Wales where nobody lives. At the weekend I reckon 98% of the loudest vehicles to pass my house will be bikes. And 98% of the vehicles doing over double the speed limit will also be bikes.

I reckon I'm probably in the 5% locally who don't really mind it. Just about everyone else hates it. Many of them would just ban them all.

A large proportion of bikers (of whom I used to be one, and hope to be again) don't help themselves or the rest of you. I like noisy engines, but I'd support a crack-down on the louder bikes. They're selfish and obnoxious and impose disproportionately on other people.

Our little village, if you asked them, wouldn't tell you we have an Aventador problem. Or a Golf R problem. They would say we have a motorbike problem. Because they're too loud, and ridden too quickly. And these are crotchety Tory grannies and grandads who all use their vote.

Sad, but there it is.

I live on the A272 in West Sussex - the past two or three weeks have seen hundreds of bikes a day at weekends and sunny weekdays - the noise at times is overwhelming. There is a significant minority who seem to deliberately make as much noise as possible through the town, including bouncing off the rev limiter if the fancy takes them. There is speeding through the town which combined with the full bore acceleration from a couple of hundred yards before the NSL really pisses off the locals. It would also seem that, particularly for the larger groups, the light controlled crossings are advisory if they prevent the whole group riding through them. These locals are not all crotchety Tory grannies and grandads who all use their vote. The cry for action is coming from across society in our local area and, judging from news reports, for a considerable area around us. I've no idea what form any action might take but for any group of people to seemingly get such a wide range of locals, both in age and political persuasion, united is quite an achievement - and not a good one.

What a beautiful road :-)

[Kawasicki]

PushedDover said:

Kawasicki said:

This is not a ban based on a noise test carried out at the side of the road. The ban is based on the certified static noise test result. Many standard bikes are banned, including some of the police bikes used in this area of Austria.

which is it ?

Kawasicki said:

There are two separate noise requirements. Static and driving.
The static noise level must not exceed 95 db in this case.
I think about 1 in 15 unmodified bikes exceed that.

Both!

In Austria alone it is 6.7% of 550,000 motorbikes. So, about 37,000 motorbikes.

Unless you think the number 37,000 is not many? And that's only in Austria.

[fred bloggs]

Well, Austria did spawn Hitler.

[shoestring7]

outnumbered said:

Travs said:

I live on the A272 in West Sussex....... united is quite an achievement - and not a good one.

https://www.chichester.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/mps-...

This doesn't surprise me. I met one of those MP's once when she was canvassing before the last GE and I was outside washing my bikes. We both live on a main road into town; and she was complaining then about the noise of bikes passing her door. I sympathised, at the time some dhead used to go past regularly at 5am on some stty Chinese 125 with a bean can for an exhaust. You could hear it for several minutes; it was just an antisocial noise without any redeeming characteristics.

Remember folks, loud pipes save lives get bikes banned.

[talksthetorque]

The issue with de-baffled 50cc and 125s is they are still travelling quite slowly so you hear them for much longer. So if we are being thoughtful we should really try and minimise the time we spend near anyone’s back garden by going as fast as possible.

[LetsTryAgain]

Kawasicki said:

Austrian region Tyrol have decided to ban non-modified motorbikes that have static (as in not being driven) noise level above 95 db from certain popular routes.

Equally loud cars and trucks are not banned.

It’s interesting that banning road legal vehicles is in itself legal.

I’m unhappy about this. You?

Easily sorted. We just won't be a tourist to their nation.

Edited by LetsTryAgain on Saturday 6th June 09:12

[Kawasicki]

LetsTryAgain said:

Kawasicki said:

Austrian region Tyrol have decided to ban non-modified motorbikes that have static (as in not being driven) noise level above 95 db from certain popular routes.

Equally loud cars and trucks are not banned.

It’s interesting that banning road legal vehicles is in itself legal.

I’m unhappy about this. You?

Easily sorted. We just won't be a tourist to their nation.

Edited by LetsTryAgain on Saturday 6th June 09:12

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.